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Post by ag87 on Aug 29, 2017 10:22:42 GMT -8
I suspect your expectations might be the same next year when we start off the season at Ohio State. Heard from two sources it was/will be mutually cancelled... poetically so! That's a good thing. There is a real chance we will have a new coach. Even if this season and Andersen's reign gets turned around and OSU wins six of the last eleven, I don't see the benefit of going to Columbus and playing a team that is thinking national title.
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 29, 2017 11:09:27 GMT -8
Heard from two sources it was/will be mutually cancelled... poetically so! That's a good thing. There is a real chance we will have a new coach. Even if this season and Andersen's reign gets turned around and OSU wins six of the last eleven, I don't see the benefit of going to Columbus and playing a team that is thinking national title. things would have to go absolutely crap sideways. Like a zero win season. No way does Andersen get canned before he gets a 4th year.
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 29, 2017 11:15:36 GMT -8
That's a good thing. There is a real chance we will have a new coach. Even if this season and Andersen's reign gets turned around and OSU wins six of the last eleven, I don't see the benefit of going to Columbus and playing a team that is thinking national title. things would have to go absolutely crap sideways. Like a zero win season. No way does Andersen get canned before he gets a 4th year. I'd agree, but another 2,3,4 win season here and things are not looking good in the neighborhood for Andersen. I doubt he'd get fired, but I think our AD would put a lot of thought into it. If you do not look like you have a positive trajectory, good luck with any kind of meaningful recruiting.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 29, 2017 11:20:37 GMT -8
That's a good thing. There is a real chance we will have a new coach. Even if this season and Andersen's reign gets turned around and OSU wins six of the last eleven, I don't see the benefit of going to Columbus and playing a team that is thinking national title. things would have to go absolutely crap sideways. Like a zero win season. No way does Andersen get canned before he gets a 4th year. Unfortunately if things don't go completely bad... public disgruntled players/defections on a larger scale... he will get a 4th year. Hoping this is all a mirage and we win (7)... but, I go over and over on the schedule and even though I think PSU is a "sure thing" (cuz I can't let my mind wander to it not being!!!), here are no more. Even Cal on the road in early November will be challenge if JW gets them going just a little and they play hard. Cuz if we start 1 fer or 2 fer (and that is HIGHLY likely), the ship will be sinking by that game. But, GA truly scares me. He makes comments that are just out of the blue. His coach speak is "textbook" and getting sooooo old. Top that off with his "history vs PSU" statement... it was bizarre for a guy 6-19 and obviously just spouting BS in hopes we blast them. It would make him look good (in his eyes) and hopes no one would know the real past history (he doesn't know Wilky does he?!)
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 29, 2017 11:37:20 GMT -8
things would have to go absolutely crap sideways. Like a zero win season. No way does Andersen get canned before he gets a 4th year. Unfortunately if things don't go completely bad... public disgruntled players/defections on a larger scale... he will get a 4th year. Hoping this is all a mirage and we win (7)... but, I go over and over on the schedule and even though I think PSU is a "sure thing" (cuz I can't let my mind wander to it not being!!!), here are no more. Even Cal on the road in early November will be challenge if JW gets them going just a little and they play hard. Cuz if we start 1 fer or 2 fer (and that is HIGHLY likely), the ship will be sinking by that game. But, GA truly scares me. He makes comments that are just out of the blue. His coach speak is "textbook" and getting sooooo old. Top that off with his "history vs PSU" statement... it was bizarre for a guy 6-19 and obviously just spouting BS in hopes we blast them. It would make him look good (in his eyes) and hopes no one would know the real past history (he doesn't know Wilky does he?!) You know... I have a big problem with that "history versus PSU" statement too. maybe I am reading too much into it, but to me that just is more evidence he doesn't have a clue about what is going on in the Pac-12 and on this coast. Lets not forget Andersen took this job, site unseen, so he could get out of Wisconsin where he was unhappy. He wanted to do his thing, not have a shadow HC over his shoulder. That means every choice he made was completely blind to the lay of the land. Going uptempo read option offense? congratulations, you are just like 9 of the 12 teams now. You are directly competing for talent with well established richer programs, that have done it for years and more importantly... can expertly defend against it! That sort of thing. That PSU comment just put another burr in my saddle (and there are plenty there already). It just stinks of a guy spouting BS but not ACTUALLY knowing what in the hell is going on out here.
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Post by skyrider on Aug 29, 2017 11:40:25 GMT -8
I have been observing quietly for the past three years (have been a Beaver football fan for over 60 years). My conclusions about Coach Anderson and his program are:
(1) He is an "average" recruiter. Which given the disadvantages of Corvallis equates to having "below average" PAC 12 talent. I see little reasons to believe that this will change.
(2) He may be a good organizer and a good administrator but I believe he is well "below" average in terms of having a creative, talented football "mind". Coach Riley had many faults but he had an offense that was well thought out, well planned and based on a clear set of fundamental concepts(pro-set, drop back passer, lots of medium and long passing routes to stretch the field, etc.)
Coach Anderson seems to have something he calls "spread offense" which seems to consist of a different offensive coordinator every year, a random selection at the quarterback position, and after three years the only consistency is inconsistency.
(3) In the two areas-strong offensive line and defensive line- that I believe would give OSU the best chance to move up in the PAC 12, Coach Anderson's ability to recruit and coach have been the most lacking.
(4) My prediction for this years team is two wins (hope I am wrong)
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Post by nabeav on Aug 29, 2017 11:57:46 GMT -8
If we bail on the Ohio State game, chalk it up as another reason to dislike where this program is heading.
As a fan, I was seriously considering going to that game because I think getting a first hand look at what actual football excellence is like is good for our players, coaches, and fans. To see what level of passion and investment is necessary. To see what level of execution and preparation is necessary. To give our players a chance (however small) to prove they belong at that level.
We get none of that by pounding the Texas State Armadillos in Nowheresville, Texas or sweating out a game in the humidity of South Florida against FAU.
Think about if we had played North Carolina on the road or maybe a Vanderbilt instead of Sacramento State/EWU. How differently our those seasons viewed?
As far as recruiting goes, right now I'd have to say that likelihood that we lose an FCS game is far higher than the likelihood we beat a "big boy" on the road. You have far more to lose playing those chumps. If you get throttled by Ohio State, what does a recruit think? That if he comes here, he gets a chance to play the best on the biggest stages on ABC/ESPN/Fox. If you dominate PSU at 11:00 am on Pac12Net on a Labor Day weekend in front of a half full stadium, does a recruit even take notice?
Then again, Gary Andersen lost 59-0 last time he played Ohio State (on a neutral field) with a much more talented team than he's got right now, so I sort of get it.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 29, 2017 12:31:52 GMT -8
If we bail on the Ohio State game, chalk it up as another reason to dislike where this program is heading. As a fan, I was seriously considering going to that game because I think getting a first hand look at what actual football excellence is like is good for our players, coaches, and fans. To see what level of passion and investment is necessary. To see what level of execution and preparation is necessary. To give our players a chance (however small) to prove they belong at that level. We get none of that by pounding the Texas State Armadillos in Nowheresville, Texas or sweating out a game in the humidity of South Florida against FAU. Think about if we had played North Carolina on the road or maybe a Vanderbilt instead of Sacramento State/EWU. How differently our those seasons viewed? As far as recruiting goes, right now I'd have to say that likelihood that we lose an FCS game is far higher than the likelihood we beat a "big boy" on the road. You have far more to lose playing those chumps. If you get throttled by Ohio State, what does a recruit think? That if he comes here, he gets a chance to play the best on the biggest stages on ABC/ESPN/Fox. If you dominate PSU at 11:00 am on Pac12Net on a Labor Day weekend in front of a half full stadium, does a recruit even take notice? Then again, Gary Andersen lost 59-0 last time he played Ohio State (on a neutral field) with a much more talented team than he's got right now, so I sort of get it. Texas State Fightin' Armadillos. "Necessary Roughness." Humorous. Meh. Ohio State is high risk, low reward. I would love it if Oregon State could go into Columbus and pull it out. But what are the chances that that happens? (Unless the past 25 games have all been a part of CGA's long con to win the game in Columbus? In which case, bravo CGA!) If Oregon State does not win in Columbus, what is the upside? A paycheck? I would rather schedule a home-in-home with Texas State (Bobcats) to play in beautiful San Marcos, Texas (between Austin and San Antonio) or UTSA (Roadrunners) in San Antonio. At least that might help recruiting. (And we need the help!)
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Post by nabeav on Aug 29, 2017 13:16:18 GMT -8
If Oregon State does not win in Columbus, what is the upside? A paycheck? I would rather schedule a home-in-home with Texas State (Bobcats) to play in beautiful San Marcos, Texas (between Austin and San Antonio) or UTSA (Roadrunners) in San Antonio. At least that might help recruiting. (And we need the help!) I think that was my point. How does playing at UTSA or TSU or FAU or FIU or FAMU or any of those other directional schools from fertile recruiting grounds help us? Has it been proven that playing games in those areas and getting a "free" visit with potential recruits helps in any measurable way, or is it something that we tell ourselves so we can get out of playing games fans actually want to see that are more likely to result in losses? Kids who go to Kentucky/Kansas/Oregon State/Washington State know that winning anything of significance (read: New Year's Six Bowl/Conference Championship is extremely unlikely, but I think part of the allure is getting to play the biggest teams on the biggest stages in the land. You come to Oregon State, you're going to play in the Coliseum. You're going to play in the Rose Bowl Stadium. You're going to line up against Washington and Oregon and Stanford. That's what these kids want...a chance to prove they belong on the biggest stage against the best. A lot of them were probably passed over by those schools. Giving kids another opportunity to play against the biggest and the best seems like a better pitch than "we will play one game in your home state." And if that's what we're trying to say, then let's get a game on the books against Baylor/TAMU/Texas/Florida/FSU/Miami/....even Houston/USF/UCF are acceptable. They're at least not low major/FCS territory. There are plenty of good, challenging teams to play in those areas. I guess if the point is that you need to have a body bag game to make a bowl game and that's the ultimate goal, then fine. But that's not the goal (at least not the stated goal). The goal is to win championships. GA says it all the time. To be the best, you have to beat the best. I don't think playing three chumps out of conference just to make a bowl game is good enough. Going 6-6 (3-6) every year does nothing for me. I'd rather go 6-6 (5-4) any day, and I think tough OOC games prepare you for that. Again, just my opinion.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 29, 2017 13:25:50 GMT -8
If we bail on the Ohio State game, chalk it up as another reason to dislike where this program is heading. As a fan, I was seriously considering going to that game because I think getting a first hand look at what actual football excellence is like is good for our players, coaches, and fans. To see what level of passion and investment is necessary. To see what level of execution and preparation is necessary. To give our players a chance (however small) to prove they belong at that level. We get none of that by pounding the Texas State Armadillos in Nowheresville, Texas or sweating out a game in the humidity of South Florida against FAU. Think about if we had played North Carolina on the road or maybe a Vanderbilt instead of Sacramento State/EWU. How differently our those seasons viewed? As far as recruiting goes, right now I'd have to say that likelihood that we lose an FCS game is far higher than the likelihood we beat a "big boy" on the road. You have far more to lose playing those chumps. If you get throttled by Ohio State, what does a recruit think? That if he comes here, he gets a chance to play the best on the biggest stages on ABC/ESPN/Fox. If you dominate PSU at 11:00 am on Pac12Net on a Labor Day weekend in front of a half full stadium, does a recruit even take notice? Then again, Gary Andersen lost 59-0 last time he played Ohio State (on a neutral field) with a much more talented team than he's got right now, so I sort of get it. Texas State Fightin' Armadillos. "Necessary Roughness." Humorous. Meh. Ohio State is high risk, low reward. I would love it if Oregon State could go into Columbus and pull it out. But what are the chances that that happens? (Unless the past 25 games have all been a part of CGA's long con to win the game in Columbus? In which case, bravo CGA!) If Oregon State does not win in Columbus, what is the upside? A paycheck? I would rather schedule a home-in-home with Texas State (Bobcats) to play in beautiful San Marcos, Texas (between Austin and San Antonio) or UTSA (Roadrunners) in San Antonio. At least that might help recruiting. (And we need the help!) I disagree. To me there is zero risk in playing Ohio St. We are supposed to lose. Badly! All you have to do is be competitive and you're the talk of every highlight show on. Plus the players and fans get to see a college football institution. If you go lose to Texas St? UTSA? What does that get you? More of these posts we see all day this week!
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 29, 2017 13:28:35 GMT -8
If we bail on the Ohio State game, chalk it up as another reason to dislike where this program is heading. As a fan, I was seriously considering going to that game because I think getting a first hand look at what actual football excellence is like is good for our players, coaches, and fans. To see what level of passion and investment is necessary. To see what level of execution and preparation is necessary. To give our players a chance (however small) to prove they belong at that level. We get none of that by pounding the Texas State Armadillos in Nowheresville, Texas or sweating out a game in the humidity of South Florida against FAU. Think about if we had played North Carolina on the road or maybe a Vanderbilt instead of Sacramento State/EWU. How differently our those seasons viewed? As far as recruiting goes, right now I'd have to say that likelihood that we lose an FCS game is far higher than the likelihood we beat a "big boy" on the road. You have far more to lose playing those chumps. If you get throttled by Ohio State, what does a recruit think? That if he comes here, he gets a chance to play the best on the biggest stages on ABC/ESPN/Fox. If you dominate PSU at 11:00 am on Pac12Net on a Labor Day weekend in front of a half full stadium, does a recruit even take notice? Then again, Gary Andersen lost 59-0 last time he played Ohio State (on a neutral field) with a much more talented team than he's got right now, so I sort of get it. Texas State Fightin' Armadillos. "Necessary Roughness." Humorous. Meh. Ohio State is high risk, low reward. I would love it if Oregon State could go into Columbus and pull it out. But what are the chances that that happens? (Unless the past 25 games have all been a part of CGA's long con to win the game in Columbus? In which case, bravo CGA!) If Oregon State does not win in Columbus, what is the upside? A paycheck? I would rather schedule a home-in-home with Texas State (Bobcats) to play in beautiful San Marcos, Texas (between Austin and San Antonio) or UTSA (Roadrunners) in San Antonio. At least that might help recruiting. (And we need the help!) I go back to St. Dennis' thoughts on the subject: "We need a tougher non-conference like we need a hole in the head." Still relevant today. We need to get to bowl games, and that means we need all the non-conference wins that we can get. I favor the idea of scheduling an absolute bottom-feeder cupcake, a lower-tier mid-major that will come to Corvallis without a return trip (New Mexico State or like), and a home-and-home with a competitive mid-major in an important recruiting hotbed (Hawaii, San Diego State, San Jose State). NO more bodybag games. NO opponents who will not agree to a home and home. NO MORE ONE AND DONE GAMES on short notice for a team looking to use the Beavs to start a run at the playoffs (see TCU, Penn State, etc). This needs to be the MO until we start getting to bowl games. When 6 wins are so, so important, it's critical that they aren't being given away in non-conference tilts.
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 29, 2017 13:31:22 GMT -8
IIRC we already have Nevada (umm... away? jesus...) and Southern Utah (Fun.) on the schedule for next year, so if you replaced Ohio State with the Fightin' Armadillos or Weber State or (insert "weak" opponent) - that would be turrible.
So let's go to Columbus and take our beating like the men WHO GRIND and COME OUT SWINGING and LEAVE IT ALL ON THE FIELD and SQUAT MORE THAN YOU that I hear we are.
and more importantly, I'm currently planning to go to that one so don't jack up my travel plans Beavs - please/thank you.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Aug 29, 2017 13:32:32 GMT -8
Playing Ohio State offers us nothing. What did playing all of those big paycheck games (LSU, Penn State, TCU, etc.) get us under Riley? It got good OSU teams embarrassed early and then they had to work their way into the Top 25 late in the season. None of those blowouts offered us anything in terms of national respect, recruiting, etc.
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Post by nabeav on Aug 29, 2017 13:43:10 GMT -8
OH MY GOD. Are you really complaining about how important bowl games are? For the better part of a decade, all the talk was "yeah we're going to bowl games, but it's the VEGAS BOWL," or "MAKE A HOLIDAY BOWL, THEN WE'LL TALK." Now we are trying to make our schedule as easy as possible to get to the Heart of Dallas Bowl or play in Boise in December?
Give me a break. You had the bowl games, and it wasn't enough for y'all. You bit the hand that fed you, so it stopped feeding you.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 29, 2017 13:47:34 GMT -8
Playing Ohio State offers us nothing. What did playing all of those big paycheck games (LSU, Penn State, TCU, etc.) get us under Riley? It got good OSU teams embarrassed early and then they had to work their way into the Top 25 late in the season. None of those blowouts offered us anything in terms of national respect, recruiting, etc. Playing Penn State allowed Quizz to move into the starting spot over McCants. Without the big Penn State wake-up call, the 27-21 win over USC becomes much less likely. LSU stung and really ruined the early part of 2004. TCU added nothing.
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