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Post by hawksea on Aug 30, 2017 15:13:57 GMT -8
To claim that the returning talent on the 2015 team is anywhere near as bad as the talent on the 1997 team that wasn't recruited by Riley is just flat out wrong. BS on that. Riley inherited a ton of good players: Tim Alexander, Roddy Tompkins, Robert Prescott, DeShawn Williams, Joe Kuykendall, Freddie Perez and Aaron Koch on offense, and an almost-complete starting defense: Buster Elahee, Aaron Wells, Inoke Breckterfield, Bryan Jones, Nathan McAtee, Brian Rogers. Jonathan Jackson, Terrance Carroll, Armon Hatcher, Andrae Holland, Larry Bumpus, and Darnell Robinson. I was only 5 years old during the 1997 season, so I obviously don't remember it firsthand, but Tim Alexander is the only player I've heard of from that team. Just because they they returned a lot of players doesn't mean they were good. They only had 2 wins the previous season, and hadn't had a winning season in 26 years. Did any of those players make it in the NFL?
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Post by nabeav on Aug 30, 2017 15:27:41 GMT -8
How many of those guys made the NFL?
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Post by ag87 on Aug 30, 2017 15:48:09 GMT -8
To claim that the returning talent on the 2015 team is anywhere near as bad as the talent on the 1997 team that wasn't recruited by Riley is just flat out wrong. BS on that. Riley inherited a ton of good players: Tim Alexander, Roddy Tompkins, Robert Prescott, DeShawn Williams, Joe Kuykendall, Freddie Perez and Aaron Koch on offense, and an almost-complete starting defense: Buster Elahee, Aaron Wells, Inoke Breckterfield, Bryan Jones, Nathan McAtee, Brian Rogers. Jonathan Jackson, Terrance Carroll, Armon Hatcher, Andrae Holland, Larry Bumpus, and Darnell Robinson. I was only 5 years old during the 1997 season, so I obviously don't remember it firsthand, but Tim Alexander is the only player I've heard of from that team. Just because they they returned a lot of players doesn't mean they were good. They only had 2 wins the previous season, and hadn't had a winning season in 26 years. Did any of those players make it in the NFL? Mark K? Nakedmolerat? Are you out there? Because I'm a geek and a fan I have a bit of info. Those first two guys used to post on Pure-orange and they would be encyclopedias on this. My thoughts: Tim Alexander, training camp; Joe Kuykendall, training camp; Aaron Koch, 2-years (I don't think he played for Pettibone); Breckterfield, CFL; Bryan Jones and Brian Rogers, training camp; Terrance Carroll, 1-year; Hatcher, and Robinson - training camp. I think Robinson was something like 5th-string QB under Pettibone.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 30, 2017 16:08:45 GMT -8
I was only 5 years old during the 1997 season, so I obviously don't remember it firsthand, but Tim Alexander is the only player I've heard of from that team. Just because they they returned a lot of players doesn't mean they were good. They only had 2 wins the previous season, and hadn't had a winning season in 26 years. Did any of those players make it in the NFL? Mark K? Nakedmolerat? Are you out there? Because I'm a geek and a fan I have a bit of info. Those first two guys used to post on Pure-orange and they would be encyclopedias on this. My thoughts: Tim Alexander, training camp; Joe Kuykendall, training camp; Aaron Koch, 2-years (I don't think he played for Pettibone); Breckterfield, CFL; Bryan Jones and Brian Rogers, training camp; Terrance Carroll, 1-year; Hatcher, and Robinson - training camp. I think Robinson was something like 5th-string QB under Pettibone. Darnell Robinson was a bad ass lb. I remember him from the Erickson era, probably earlier too, but Pettibone? Not sure about that. Yes, there are a lot of good defensive players on that list.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 30, 2017 16:32:27 GMT -8
To claim that the returning talent on the 2015 team is anywhere near as bad as the talent on the 1997 team that wasn't recruited by Riley is just flat out wrong. BS on that. Riley inherited a ton of good players: Tim Alexander, Roddy Tompkins, Robert Prescott, DeShawn Williams, Joe Kuykendall, Freddie Perez and Aaron Koch on offense, and an almost-complete starting defense: Buster Elahee, Aaron Wells, Inoke Breckterfield, Bryan Jones, Nathan McAtee, Brian Rogers. Jonathan Jackson, Terrance Carroll, Armon Hatcher, Andrae Holland, Larry Bumpus, and Darnell Robinson. Wow... you just need to stop. You continually dig deeper. Let it go. Believe what you like, but your posts just.... ya... lol Oh thank you, oh wise one. Very few people who act as if they are the smartest guy in the room actually are. You are not one of them.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 30, 2017 18:03:03 GMT -8
Wow... you just need to stop. You continually dig deeper. Let it go. Believe what you like, but your posts just.... ya... lol Oh thank you, oh wise one. Very few people who act as if they are the smartest guy in the room actually are. You are not one of them. We'll thank you for letting me know I'm not one of those guys... or just having poor composition and accusing me of being "that guy". Either way it had the same effect! 😁
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 30, 2017 18:05:10 GMT -8
Oh thank you, oh wise one. Very few people who act as if they are the smartest guy in the room actually are. You are not one of them. We'll thank you for letting me know I'm not one of those guys... or just having poor composition and accusing me of being "that guy". Either way it had the same effect! 😁 Don't worry, he's just a guy.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 30, 2017 18:11:52 GMT -8
We'll thank you for letting me know I'm not one of those guys... or just having poor composition and accusing me of being "that guy". Either way it had the same effect! 😁 Don't worry, he's just a guy. LMAO... well I did do a double take I the profile pic! Wanted to make sure I stayed PC 😁
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 30, 2017 20:49:07 GMT -8
I was only 5 years old during the 1997 season, so I obviously don't remember it firsthand, but Tim Alexander is the only player I've heard of from that team. Just because they they returned a lot of players doesn't mean they were good. They only had 2 wins the previous season, and hadn't had a winning season in 26 years. Did any of those players make it in the NFL? Mark K? Nakedmolerat? Are you out there? Because I'm a geek and a fan I have a bit of info. Those first two guys used to post on Pure-orange and they would be encyclopedias on this. My thoughts: Tim Alexander, training camp; Joe Kuykendall, training camp; Aaron Koch, 2-years (I don't think he played for Pettibone); Breckterfield, CFL; Bryan Jones and Brian Rogers, training camp; Terrance Carroll, 1-year; Hatcher, and Robinson - training camp. I think Robinson was something like 5th-string QB under Pettibone. Armon Hatcher actually played four games for the Chargers in 2000. Robinson redshirted under Pettibone. He was an option quarterback and middle linebacker. However, even Pettibone had him on the scout team at Mike Linebacker. When Riley showed him, Riley originally tried to make Robinson a safety before transitioning him to Sam Linebacker.
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Post by kersting13 on Aug 30, 2017 21:01:08 GMT -8
To claim that the returning talent on the 2015 team is anywhere near as bad as the talent on the 1997 team that wasn't recruited by Riley is just flat out wrong. BS on that. Riley inherited a ton of good players: Tim Alexander, Roddy Tompkins, Robert Prescott, DeShawn Williams, Joe Kuykendall, Freddie Perez and Aaron Koch on offense, and an almost-complete starting defense: Buster Elahee, Aaron Wells, Inoke Breckterfield, Bryan Jones, Nathan McAtee, Brian Rogers. Jonathan Jackson, Terrance Carroll, Armon Hatcher, Andrae Holland, Larry Bumpus, and Darnell Robinson. Aside from the decent grammar, this is about as ridiculous a post as anything Beavnut posted. As if a wishbone team coming off 26 straight losing seasons had more talent than the 2015 Beaver squad. Check your meds, bro. SaveSave
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Post by nforkbeav on Aug 30, 2017 21:01:46 GMT -8
Ya know, I'm just gunna state this right and right now, cuz after this I'm gunna stop replying to this topic cuz it gotten pretty grumpy 😂 lol. But anyway, when y'all be stomping around an screaming and yelling bout firing CGA or his entire coaching staff, or how bad the players are or how painful it is the watch the Beavs and how ya will be giving up on CGA and etc etc, I'll be here calming supporting CGA in his rebuilding years. Rebuilding a new football team with a offense and defense takes time,(more than just Two years!!) it doesn't just last 2 years and then mean the team has fully been rebuilt, rebuilds take 3, 4 maybe 5 years. So I'm not gunna expect too much from CGA early years, I'm just gunna be chill and support the Beavs and support Gary with his new offense and defense style. My only expectations of Gary during his Tenure at OSU is the never lose to a FCS team, and beat the ducks 4 or 5 times straight and then beat em at home at Reser every other year. So with that being said, peace y'all I ain't responden back to this thread cuz dis thread be getting heated 😂😂 ✌🏻 😎 Rebuilds don't take five years. If it takes a coach five or six years to reach a bowl game, it means that coach was not ready to be the man in charge when he took over. I'm a firm believer that people (have the ability to) learn and get better, even in their 50's. For example if OSU wins four games this year and four next year, then wins six - it means Andersen made poor choices early on and has become a much better coach in the year 2019 than in 2015. Schools start their football programs from scratch and reach winning seasons sooner. The 1995 and 1996 seasons were brutally bad for OSU. Yet the 1998 team was a break away from going bowling and the 1999 ended the regular season at 7 and 4. On that other thought regarding FCS teams, I'm giving PSU a 25% to win the game on Saturday. And I'm thinking they go 6-5 for their season. They are a middle-of-the-road Big Sky team. Most relevant example we can draw from is Leach at WSU. He truly inherited a program almost completely devoid of D1 talent. He had the Cougs in a bowl by his second season and by his fourth they won 9 games, a bowl, and upset the sdtr in eugene. If not for a terrible call vs Stanford they were on the verge of beating them too for a North title. Leach actually had an offensive system, installed it on day one, and built upon it every day afterwards. Sonny Dykes who lacks charisma or by all appearances the ability to inspire anyone to perform beyond what they think is possible went: 1-11 5-7 8-5
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 30, 2017 21:13:17 GMT -8
Mark K? Nakedmolerat? Are you out there? Because I'm a geek and a fan I have a bit of info. Those first two guys used to post on Pure-orange and they would be encyclopedias on this. My thoughts: Tim Alexander, training camp; Joe Kuykendall, training camp; Aaron Koch, 2-years (I don't think he played for Pettibone); Breckterfield, CFL; Bryan Jones and Brian Rogers, training camp; Terrance Carroll, 1-year; Hatcher, and Robinson - training camp. I think Robinson was something like 5th-string QB under Pettibone. Armon Hatcher actually played four games for the Chargers in 2000. Robinson redshirted under Pettibone. He was an option quarterback and middle linebacker. However, even Pettibone had him on the scout team at Mike Linebacker. When Riley showed him, Riley originally tried to make Robinson a safety before transitioning him to Sam Linebacker. Seems like an odd pairing. Of course I never knew D Robinson but he appeared to be a guy that might not be enamored with a coach like Pettibone. Not knocking either one. Just appear really different.
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Post by nabeav on Aug 30, 2017 21:20:40 GMT -8
Seems like an odd pairing. Of course I never knew D Robinson but he appeared to be a guy that might not be enamored with a coach like Pettibone. Not knocking either one. Just appear really different. I didn't really "know" Darnell Robinson either, but I did have a class with him. He used to spend most of class hitting on a gymnast. I distinctly remember him telling her "you have a demeanor about your character that I find intriguing." Never had the guts to try that line out myself, but it's stuck with me for twenty years now. Maybe someday......
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Post by zebraworks on Aug 30, 2017 21:23:34 GMT -8
it shouldn't really be shocking if GA doesn't get the team competitive since he really has no real history of doing that at the level the beavers compete in (pac12). I'm curious if his old HC would hire him again as a coordinator??
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 31, 2017 4:54:38 GMT -8
Check your own meds, bro.
Besides the fact that OSU was not a true wishbone team in 1996, when we threw nearly 200 times, the offensive formation we used it doesn't apply to defense. If you had actually watched those guys play, you'd know Buster Elahee, Aaron Wells, Inoke Breckterfield, Bryan Jones, Nathan McAtee, Brian Rogers. Jonathan Jackson, Terrance Carroll, Armon Hatcher, Andrae Holland, Larry Bumpus, and Darnell Robinson comprise a far-better unit than our 2015 defense. any day of the week.
And anyone who thinks Scott Barnes is going to dismiss Gary Andersen after this season, no matter what happens, doesn't really know very much about OSU athletics.
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