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Post by ag87 on Aug 30, 2017 8:44:00 GMT -8
Ya know, I'm just gunna state this right and right now, cuz after this I'm gunna stop replying to this topic cuz it gotten pretty grumpy π lol. But anyway, when y'all be stomping around an screaming and yelling bout firing CGA or his entire coaching staff, or how bad the players are or how painful it is the watch the Beavs and how ya will be giving up on CGA and etc etc, I'll be here calming supporting CGA in his rebuilding years. Rebuilding a new football team with a offense and defense takes time,(more than just Two years!!) it doesn't just last 2 years and then mean the team has fully been rebuilt, rebuilds take 3, 4 maybe 5 years. So I'm not gunna expect too much from CGA early years, I'm just gunna be chill and support the Beavs and support Gary with his new offense and defense style. My only expectations of Gary during his Tenure at OSU is the never lose to a FCS team, and beat the ducks 4 or 5 times straight and then beat em at home at Reser every other year. So with that being said, peace y'all I ain't responden back to this thread cuz dis thread be getting heated ππ βπ» π Rebuilds don't take five years. If it takes a coach five or six years to reach a bowl game, it means that coach was not ready to be the man in charge when he took over. I'm a firm believer that people (have the ability to) learn and get better, even in their 50's. For example if OSU wins four games this year and four next year, then wins six - it means Andersen made poor choices early on and has become a much better coach in the year 2019 than in 2015. Schools start their football programs from scratch and reach winning seasons sooner. The 1995 and 1996 seasons were brutally bad for OSU. Yet the 1998 team was a break away from going bowling and the 1999 ended the regular season at 7 and 4. On that other thought regarding FCS teams, I'm giving PSU a 25% to win the game on Saturday. And I'm thinking they go 6-5 for their season. They are a middle-of-the-road Big Sky team.
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Post by tnarg33 on Aug 30, 2017 9:01:02 GMT -8
I'm still just amazed by the fact that people are trying to explain away all the failures of this current staff. No matter the context there hasn't been anything in the past 2+ years to say we have improved or have a clear path to improvement. I'm as hopeful as anyone that we can become a team that wins regularly but to give GA any credit at this point is unwarranted.
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Post by TheGlove on Aug 30, 2017 9:07:32 GMT -8
I'm still just amazed by the fact that people are trying to explain away all the failures of this current staff. No matter the context there hasn't been anything in the past 2+ years to say we have improved or have a clear path to improvement. I'm as hopeful as anyone that we can become a team that wins regularly but to give GA any credit at this point is unwarranted. there's always a few crackpots. Very few. Keep that in mind.
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Post by biggieorange on Aug 30, 2017 10:06:48 GMT -8
So...what are the "huge things right off the bat" that we are expecting? Because frankly, expecting a 3rd year Pac 12 coach to be competitive on the road at a good, but not great, mid-major team does not seem like such a "huge thing[] right off the bat..." In fact, it seems like a normal thing. Hell, I don't blame people or think themΒ unreasonable for expecting that a 3rd year Pac 12 coach should win that game. Β I suspect that the people on this board who have expressed some deep disappointment (and worse) after Saturday's loss (that includes me) would be in a far better mood if our beloved Beavers had been competitive in the game...you know, like if we had actually had a chance to win the game halfway through the fourth quarter. That's not a "huge thing[] right off the bat" to expect from a 3rd year Pac 12 coach. Β Is it such a "huge thing[] right off the bat" to expect that a 3rd year Pac 12 shouldn't need to start a bunch of freshmen and should, by his 3rd year, be putting some experienced players on the field? Is it a "huge thing[] right off the bat" to expect that a 3rd year Pac 12 coach should have a solidified starter at QB instead of auditioning for his 3rd new starter in as many years entering into fall camp?Β What "huge things right off the bat" are so many of us expecting from a 3rd year Pac 12 coach that seems so unreasonable in your eyes?Β Huge things such as a flawless perfect performance of a dominating win in a new stadium with a hot turf with a 3rd year new coach still putting the pieces together and expecting freshman to be seasoned off the bat with a flawless performance against a hyped team super excited to play in front of a sold out stadium. People r chewing out the Beavs and CGA like it was the championship game!! I mean come on, like even I was half certain the Beavs would lose in Colorado, cuz 1. The Beavers bench is right next to the Rams student section where the students can get loud and crazy to annoy and rattle the Beavs. 2. The hot turf that the grounds crew has been trying to cool down all week that reached 117 cooking our young team out of the field in the second half. 3. Our young freshman experience a first time big time nationally televised game in a very hostile new environment with a sold out crowd. Plus when I saw CGA take over I knew it would take 4-5 years or longer to get a winning season, I'm not expect a good record on year three, I'm thinking the Beavs will still struggle a lot in year three and then less on year four. THEN in year 5 under CGA the Beavs should have a winning record and from then on CGA and the Beavs should be better since they can't make up any more excuses for a rebuilding year. Honestly team rebuilds take bout 3-4 or sometimes 5 years, and they're all gunna be losing seasons. So I'm not expect a winning season this year or the next. Cuz CGA is still trying to work with what he is for and learning the conference. He hasn't played USC, or Arizona state yet and those two games r gunna be riddled with errors and blunders, which I'm expecting cuz CGA has never played em before. I'm being real. My point by "people expecting huge things off the bat" is that they demand a year three as a .500 season. Well guess what, it's not, it's gunna be a 4-8 or 5-7 or at worst 3-9 season. And next year it will probs be another 4-8 season aswell. And I'm straight up ok with that. Cuz I know rebuilds take a long time for a team to be put together for a winning season. I'm in with CGA for good, I'll ride out the long rebuild that will take another year or two longer. Why do I think rebuilds take so long like 5 years? Well, look at call under sonny dikes, look at USC going from coach to coach, look at Colorado when they joined the PAC 12 they all took longer than 2 or 3 years. Granted Colorado was less than 3. But USC and cal took a long time to rebuild to a winning program. I'm not ever gunna abandon the CGA train. That was far from flawless, CSU had twice as many penalties as OSU. But please keep making excuses for 6 win Andersin .
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Post by biggieorange on Aug 30, 2017 10:09:29 GMT -8
BeaverNut23 - you're OK with four straight losing seasons? You realize that previous coach who smiled and hugged his players during the losses that so clearly tied you up in knots had four losing seasons in his twelve year stretch as head coach, right? You say this season could be 3-9 "at worst" and you're OK with that. You do realize that would be three straight seasons of four or fewer wins, something that hasn't happened at Oregon State since before many OSU students were even born? I don't understand why it's OK for this coach to fail so hard for so long. And if you say "the cupboard was bare and Riley ran this program into the ground" I will remind you that if 5-7 is your definition of "the ground" then Gary Andersen has been tunneling around in the dirt like a mole for going on three years now. Yeah, I'm totally ok with 4 or maybe 5 losing season, cuz years 1-3 or 4 or years 1-5 are rebuilding years for a new coach rebuilding a team. The first 5 years of any coach r gunna be struggling. I won't expect a winning season till like year 6 and on. The only thing I want from Gary for this year and on out is to go all out fighting and beating up on the putrid ugly yucks down the road and get alil wining streak going against the yucks. Course I must also add I also don't want Gary to ever lose against a fcs team ever, cuz fcs teams should never ever beat a fbs team. It's really just inexcusable. I don't really care how the Beavs do this year other than beating any fcs teams they play, I only want em to really beat the vile ugly putrid arrogant yucks down the road and best em again next year in Reser and get alil winning streak going against the ugly ugly yucks down the road. (By ugly putrid vile yucks down the road, I mean the ducks if nobody here has haven't deciphered it) So yeah, 6-19 record for Gary with a 1-1 record against the ducks, it will probably get better or worse this year and for the next couple more years. I'll still support Gary and his rebuilding efforts, all I want from him in his 3-5 years of rebuilding is to crush fcs teams and beat the ugly yucks in a nice winning streak hopefully. Then in year 6 and on I will join u guys in criticism on CGA. Reading this gave me IBS
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Post by biggieorange on Aug 30, 2017 10:33:29 GMT -8
Ya know, I'm just gunna state this right and right now, cuz after this I'm gunna stop replying to this topic cuz it gotten pretty grumpy π lol. But anyway, when y'all be stomping around an screaming and yelling bout firing CGA or his entire coaching staff, or how bad the players are or how painful it is the watch the Beavs and how ya will be giving up on CGA and etc etc, I'll be here calming supporting CGA in his rebuilding years. Rebuilding a new football team with a offense and defense takes time,(more than just Two years!!) it doesn't just last 2 years and then mean the team has fully been rebuilt, rebuilds take 3, 4 maybe 5 years. So I'm not gunna expect too much from CGA early years, I'm just gunna be chill and support the Beavs and support Gary with his new offense and defense style. My only expectations of Gary during his Tenure at OSU is the never lose to a FCS team, and beat the ducks 4 or 5 times straight and then beat em at home at Reser every other year. So with that being said, peace y'all I ain't responden back to this thread cuz dis thread be getting heated ππ βπ» π Rebuilds don't take five years. If it takes a coach five or six years to reach a bowl game, it means that coach was not ready to be the man in charge when he took over. I'm a firm believer that people (have the ability to) learn and get better, even in their 50's. For example if OSU wins four games this year and four next year, then wins six - it means Andersen made poor choices early on and has become a much better coach in the year 2019 than in 2015. Schools start their football programs from scratch and reach winning seasons sooner. The 1995 and 1996 seasons were brutally bad for OSU. Yet the 1998 team was a break away from going bowling and the 1999 ended the regular season at 7 and 4.Β On that other thought regarding FCS teams, I'm giving PSU a 25% to win the game on Saturday. And I'm thinking they go 6-5 for their season. They are a middle-of-the-road Big Sky team.Β Lol. Never mind the HC of the team that just teabagged the Beavers has been their coach FOR THREE SEASONS
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 30, 2017 10:34:32 GMT -8
Ya know, I'm just gunna state this right and right now, cuz after this I'm gunna stop replying to this topic cuz it gotten pretty grumpy π lol. But anyway, when y'all be stomping around an screaming and yelling bout firing CGA or his entire coaching staff, or how bad the players are or how painful it is the watch the Beavs and how ya will be giving up on CGA and etc etc, I'll be here calming supporting CGA in his rebuilding years. Rebuilding a new football team with a offense and defense takes time,(more than just Two years!!) it doesn't just last 2 years and then mean the team has fully been rebuilt, rebuilds take 3, 4 maybe 5 years. So I'm not gunna expect too much from CGA early years, I'm just gunna be chill and support the Beavs and support Gary with his new offense and defense style. My only expectations of Gary during his Tenure at OSU is the never lose to a FCS team, and beat the ducks 4 or 5 times straight and then beat em at home at Reser every other year. So with that being said, peace y'all I ain't responden back to this thread cuz dis thread be getting heated ππ βπ» π Uneducated hogwash. Plus the part about your only expectations are to beat the Ducks 4 or 5 times straight and then beat them at home every other year. Oh, that's all? Way to "be chill" and have patience with all the other games for 5 years, but to decision our arch rival 4 or 5 consecutive times. Year 7: Beavers 2-9, but they beat SW Wyoming Tech and the Ducks so it's all good! You funny.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 30, 2017 11:58:43 GMT -8
If your opinion is that the talent was terrible that he inherited, would you say that the talent has improved since he took over?
<<< Yes.
If your answer is yes, then ask yourself why over half our starters are holdovers from that terrible talent.
<<<< Because he's had two complete recruiting classes. Those players are now sophomores, redshirt freshmen or true freshmen. Holdovers, ie juniors, redshirt juniors, seniors and redshirt seniors, should have at least half the starting spots here, just as they do at every other college football program.
If your answer is no, then ask yourself why MR was able to win more with terrible talent than GA has been able to.
>>>> Mike Riley won three games in 1997, and five in 1998. That's just two more games than GA, over two seasons, in a similar rebuilding situation. He also had cupcake nonleague schedules.
And to my original point, the 2015 Beavers under Riley would have finished 2-10, just as Gary did.
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Post by hawksea on Aug 30, 2017 12:18:05 GMT -8
If your opinion is that the talent was terrible that he inherited, would you say that the talent has improved since he took over? <<< Yes. If your answer is yes, then ask yourself why over half our starters are holdovers from that terrible talent. <<<< Because he's had two complete recruiting classes. Those players are now sophomores, redshirt freshmen or true freshmen. Holdovers, ie juniors, redshirt juniors, seniors and redshirt seniors, should have at least half the starting spots here, just as they do at every other college football program. If your answer is no, then ask yourself why MR was able to win more with terrible talent than GA has been able to. >>>> Mike Riley won three games in 1997, and five in 1998. That's just two more games than GA, over two seasons, in a similar rebuilding situation. He also had cupcake nonleague schedules. And to my original point, the 2015 Beavers under Riley would have finished 2-10, just as Gary did. This was a lot less of a rebuild than Mike Riley had in 1997. We don't know what Riley would have finished in 2015, but I doubt it would be as bad as 2-10. He would have had a lot more talent on both sides of the ball than what Andersen had, and he had an established system that the players knew.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 30, 2017 12:41:21 GMT -8
If your opinion is that the talent was terrible that he inherited, would you say that the talent has improved since he took over? <<< Yes. If your answer is yes, then ask yourself why over half our starters are holdovers from that terrible talent. <<<< Because he's had two complete recruiting classes. Those players are now sophomores, redshirt freshmen or true freshmen. Holdovers, ie juniors, redshirt juniors, seniors and redshirt seniors, should have at least half the starting spots here, just as they do at every other college football program. If your answer is no, then ask yourself why MR was able to win more with terrible talent than GA has been able to. >>>> Mike Riley won three games in 1997, and five in 1998. That's just two more games than GA, over two seasons, in a similar rebuilding situation. He also had cupcake nonleague schedules. And to my original point, the 2015 Beavers under Riley would have finished 2-10, just as Gary did. Ya... I forgot he went to a Nebraska with a team divided, revamped not only the O and D but how they did 'business', and played a decent schedule (pre-season #67 to OSU's #78) with 6 W's... and even got selected to a bowl game and beat a UCLA team GA lost to 41-0 at home. Pretty sure MR does better than GA at 2-10/4-8/0-1... but, you can live out whatever dream you'd like.
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Post by nabeav on Aug 30, 2017 12:54:15 GMT -8
In addition to the 13 inherited guys starting this season, here's a list of guys who are on NFL teams (or still fighting for a spot) that were inherited by GA: Victor Bolden Larry Scott Devin Chappell Ricky Ortiz Isaac Seumalo Dustin Stanton Sean Harlow Kyle Peko
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Post by calder on Aug 30, 2017 13:20:47 GMT -8
If your opinion is that the talent was terrible that he inherited, would you say that the talent has improved since he took over? <<< Yes. If your answer is yes, then ask yourself why over half our starters are holdovers from that terrible talent. <<<< Because he's had two complete recruiting classes. Those players are now sophomores, redshirt freshmen or true freshmen. Holdovers, ie juniors, redshirt juniors, seniors and redshirt seniors, should have at least half the starting spots here, just as they do at every other college football program. {{{Ok fair enough answer. Most college teams have about little over half of their starters as upper classmen. >>>> Mike Riley won three games in 1997, and five in 1998. That's just two more games than GA, over two seasons, in a similar rebuilding situation. He also had cupcake nonleague schedules. {{{And here is where your argument gets CooCoo for Cocoa Puffs level crazy. To claim that the returning talent on the 2015 team is anywhere near as bad as the talent on the 1997 team that wasn't recruited by Riley is just flat out wrong. {{{In 1997 we had to convert a team from the triple option to a Pro Passing attack. We were also in the midst of setting the longest consecutive losing season streak in the nation's history. In addition the team had won a grand total of 7 games over the previous three years. While Riley only won 3 games in his first season we were at least competitive in the majority of the games we played that year. {{{In 2015 we had won 21 games in the previous 3 years and were converting from at least a somewhat similar offense. In Gary's first year we won 2 games but got blown out in almost all of the games we played. {{{There is absolutely ZIP, ZERO, NADDA comparison between the level of rebuild needed between those two years. >>>>And to my original point, the 2015 Beavers under Riley would have finished 2-10, just as Gary did. {{{If Riley had been dumb enough to abandon his previous offense and if he had driven off the same players Gary did then sure he would have only won 2 games. However we both know Riley wouldn't have done that. {{{If Anderson had chosen to run the same offense we are running this year in 2015 and kept more of the players from that team I have no doubt we would be in a much better position.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 30, 2017 14:48:58 GMT -8
To claim that the returning talent on the 2015 team is anywhere near as bad as the talent on the 1997 team that wasn't recruited by Riley is just flat out wrong.
BS on that.
Riley inherited a ton of good players: Tim Alexander, Roddy Tompkins, Robert Prescott, DeShawn Williams, Joe Kuykendall, Freddie Perez and Aaron Koch on offense, and an almost-complete starting defense: Buster Elahee, Aaron Wells, Inoke Breckterfield, Bryan Jones, Nathan McAtee, Brian Rogers. Jonathan Jackson, Terrance Carroll, Armon Hatcher, Andrae Holland, Larry Bumpus, and Darnell Robinson.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 30, 2017 14:55:20 GMT -8
To claim that the returning talent on the 2015 team is anywhere near as bad as the talent on the 1997 team that wasn't recruited by Riley is just flat out wrong. BS on that. Riley inherited a ton of good players: Tim Alexander, Roddy Tompkins, Robert Prescott, DeShawn Williams, Joe Kuykendall, Freddie Perez and Aaron Koch on offense, and an almost-complete starting defense: Buster Elahee, Aaron Wells, Inoke Breckterfield, Bryan Jones, Nathan McAtee, Brian Rogers. Jonathan Jackson, Terrance Carroll, Armon Hatcher, Andrae Holland, Larry Bumpus, and Darnell Robinson. Wow... you just need to stop. You continually dig deeper. Let it go. Believe what you like, but your posts just.... ya... lol
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 30, 2017 15:11:42 GMT -8
Ya know, I'm just gunna state this right and right now, cuz after this I'm gunna stop replying to this topic cuz it gotten pretty grumpy π lol. But anyway, when y'all be stomping around an screaming and yelling bout firing CGA or his entire coaching staff, or how bad the players are or how painful it is the watch the Beavs and how ya will be giving up on CGA and etc etc, I'll be here calming supporting CGA in his rebuilding years. Rebuilding a new football team with a offense and defense takes time,(more than just Two years!!) it doesn't just last 2 years and then mean the team has fully been rebuilt, rebuilds take 3, 4 maybe 5 years. So I'm not gunna expect too much from CGA early years, I'm just gunna be chill and support the Beavs and support Gary with his new offense and defense style. My only expectations of Gary during his Tenure at OSU is the never lose to a FCS team, and beat the ducks 4 or 5 times straight and then beat em at home at Reser every other year. So with that being said, peace y'all I ain't responden back to this thread cuz dis thread be getting heated ππ βπ» π Rebuilds don't take five years. If it takes a coach five or six years to reach a bowl game, it means that coach was not ready to be the man in charge when he took over. I'm a firm believer that people (have the ability to) learn and get better, even in their 50's. For example if OSU wins four games this year and four next year, then wins six - it means Andersen made poor choices early on and has become a much better coach in the year 2019 than in 2015. Schools start their football programs from scratch and reach winning seasons sooner. The 1995 and 1996 seasons were brutally bad for OSU. Yet the 1998 team was a break away from going bowling and the 1999 ended the regular season at 7 and 4. On that other thought regarding FCS teams, I'm giving PSU a 25% to win the game on Saturday. And I'm thinking they go 6-5 for their season. They are a middle-of-the-road Big Sky team. That '98 team's worst beat down was 21 (a couple games vs the Pac 10) and literally was 2 plays away from winning 7 games. Riley actually inherited a team that was a 25 year dumpster fire, not a couple of down years of only winning 7 and 5 games. This year's team already has a 31 point beeat down from a mid-level conference team (that I think is a better team than many give credit for) and IF this team is two plays away from winning 7 games I'll be OK with that. We're going to have to turn it around a bit to get there.
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