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Post by jdogge on Jul 28, 2017 13:46:35 GMT -8
Smith DFA'd, Moore demoted. Here |
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Post by joecool on Jul 28, 2017 13:51:44 GMT -8
Mariners are making moves just for the sake of making moves.
My guess is no one will claim Tyler Smith and he'll head back to Tacoma.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 28, 2017 14:09:29 GMT -8
Mariners are making moves just for the sake of making moves. My guess is no one will claim Tyler Smith and he'll head back to Tacoma. I don't understand what that means for Smith. He went back to Tacoma on June 21 and has been there since. Does it have something to do with the 40-man roster? I wish Moore had got another start or two. I thought he had made some adjustments in his last start and was due to go something like 8 innings with one run. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 28, 2017 14:46:33 GMT -8
Mariners are making moves just for the sake of making moves. My guess is no one will claim Tyler Smith and he'll head back to Tacoma. I don't understand what that means for Smith. He went back to Tacoma on June 21 and has been there since. Does it have something to do with the 40-man roster? I wish Moore had got another start or two. I thought he had made some adjustments in his last start and was due to go something like 8 innings with one run. Yes, it means he's off the 40-man roster and subject to waivers. He can be claimed by another team, but after so many days (5?) if he's not claimed, he can remain with the Mariners system. He would need to be re-added to the 40-man roster to be allowed to be called up to MLB again. They must have needed a spot on the 40-man for someone else. I don't see the transaction yet on the Mariner's official site, but that is often a day or so behind. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 28, 2017 15:30:49 GMT -8
I don't understand what that means for Smith. He went back to Tacoma on June 21 and has been there since. Does it have something to do with the 40-man roster? I wish Moore had got another start or two. I thought he had made some adjustments in his last start and was due to go something like 8 innings with one run. Yes, it means he's off the 40-man roster and subject to waivers. He can be claimed by another team, but after so many days (5?) if he's not claimed, he can remain with the Mariners system. He would need to be re-added to the 40-man roster to be allowed to be called up to MLB again. They must have needed a spot on the 40-man for someone else. I don't see the transaction yet on the Mariner's official site, but that is often a day or so behind. Smith is being DFA'd in favor of Cody Martin. DFA means that the Mariners are removing Smith from the 40-man roster. But he is not necessarily subject to waivers. A player who is DFA'd must be put back on the 40-man roster within 40 days, placed on waivers, traded or released. The timing, however, makes waivers the most likely outcome. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jul 28, 2017 15:52:35 GMT -8
Due to injury and general pitching staff misery, Moore got a great taste of MLB relatively early in his pro career. It surely won't be his last (Sept. roster expansion call up likely)...Pitching in AAA in August should serve him well. Remember, he was a Beav very recently...about 9 returning OSU (in 2018) players were his teammates!!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 28, 2017 17:20:17 GMT -8
This is exactly why the Mariners continue to suck. Moore is certainly one of their top 11-12 pitchers on their active roster. Instead of moving him to the bullpen, where they are absolutely atrocious, they send him to triple-A in favor of non-prospects who are 0-3, 7.04 (Lawrence) and 3-7, 6.07 lifetime (Martin), with substantially higher WHIPs. All three are right-handed, so it's not a case of needing a lefty to balance the bullpen. The M's do not have the best players in the organization in the majors.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 28, 2017 19:00:54 GMT -8
This is exactly why the Mariners continue to suck. Moore is certainly one of their top 11-12 pitchers on their active roster. Instead of moving him to the bullpen, where they are absolutely atrocious, they send him to triple-A in favor of non-prospects who are 0-3, 7.04 (Lawrence) and 3-7, 6.07 lifetime (Martin), with substantially higher WHIPs. All three are right-handed, so it's not a case of needing a lefty to balance the bullpen. The M's do not have the best players in the organization in the majors. Ok... so first, not a Mariner fan and understand Andrew is a former Beav, but... - the M's truly do not have a lot of "best" players in their organization period! That's why they suck. Their drafts have not panned out and they have one of the weakest player development staffs around. - if Andrew is one of their best 11-12 "pitchers", encompassing starters and the BP (I don't really keep tabs on the M's players in that much detail) that indeed tells you they suck. Andrew is a very poor man's right handed Jamie Moyer without the guile and experience at this point. Will be get better? Sure. (More so not in the M's system) Overall he's an average young pitching prospect compared to what you see around the league. If he's in the top dozen at this point they are indeed hurting. And, to be competing for a 2nd wildcard spot will only exacerbate the situation. Those in charge will use a run down the stretch to either make dumb ass trades or sell how much they are progressing the franchise (which they are not) ... or both. Not unless new ownership comes aboard will it improve... IMHO. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jul 28, 2017 19:34:43 GMT -8
Yes, it means he's off the 40-man roster and subject to waivers. He can be claimed by another team, but after so many days (5?) if he's not claimed, he can remain with the Mariners system. He would need to be re-added to the 40-man roster to be allowed to be called up to MLB again. They must have needed a spot on the 40-man for someone else. I don't see the transaction yet on the Mariner's official site, but that is often a day or so behind. Smith is being DFA'd in favor of Cody Martin. DFA means that the Mariners are removing Smith from the 40-man roster. But he is not necessarily subject to waivers. A player who is DFA'd must be put back on the 40-man roster within 40 days, placed on waivers, traded or released. The timing, however, makes waivers the most likely outcome. I think you meant 10 days, not 40 days. SaveSave |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 28, 2017 23:26:54 GMT -8
It's really not that hard to comprehend.
The point is, now matter how good of a prospect AM might be, if he's one of the top 12 pitchers in the organization, he should be in the majors, helping them win games, not playing meaningless games in Tacoma while human gas cans with a 7+ ERA comes out of the bullpen.
Best players play. Either you want to win, or you don't. Seattle often operates as if it doesn't.
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Post by hawksea on Jul 29, 2017 14:22:04 GMT -8
This is exactly why the Mariners continue to suck. Moore is certainly one of their top 11-12 pitchers on their active roster. Instead of moving him to the bullpen, where they are absolutely atrocious, they send him to triple-A in favor of non-prospects who are 0-3, 7.04 (Lawrence) and 3-7, 6.07 lifetime (Martin), with substantially higher WHIPs. All three are right-handed, so it's not a case of needing a lefty to balance the bullpen. The M's do not have the best players in the organization in the majors. Ok... so first, not a Mariner fan and understand Andrew is a former Beav, but... - the M's truly do not have a lot of "best" players in their organization period! That's why they suck. Their drafts have not panned out and they have one of the weakest player development staffs around. - if Andrew is one of their best 11-12 "pitchers", encompassing starters and the BP (I don't really keep tabs on the M's players in that much detail) that indeed tells you they suck. Andrew is a very poor man's right handed Jamie Moyer without the guile and experience at this point. Will be get better? Sure. (More so not in the M's system) Overall he's an average young pitching prospect compared to what you see around the league. If he's in the top dozen at this point they are indeed hurting. And, to be competing for a 2nd wildcard spot will only exacerbate the situation. Those in charge will use a run down the stretch to either make dumb ass trades or sell how much they are progressing the franchise (which they are not) ... or both. Not unless new ownership comes aboard will it improve... IMHO. I follow the Mariners closely, and they have completely changed their player development staff these past two years with Jerry Dipoto taking over as the GM and changing the philosophy of the organization. They also have new ownership that has just taken over. The organization has changed a ton in the past 2 years, and from the looks of it so far, for the better. They are trying to work on better development and build for the long-term, not selling out for a little success. In response to justaguy, Andrew is not currently one of the 11-12 best pitchers for the Mariners. Moving him to the bullpen right now would also harm his long-term development. His long-term profile is as a 4th or 5th starter, and moving him to the bullpen would hurt him. He also has a huge problem with giving up home runs right now and has some things to work on, which is better to do in AAA than in the majors when you are fighting for a playoff spot. Bergman and Martin also have been pitching well in AAA, and don't have a ton of experience in the majors, so they are getting a chance as the bottom 2 for their bullpen right now, which they are up because their starter on Tuesday isn't stretched out fully right now, so they needed a long-man for that game. It also isn't always about having the best players in the organization being in the majors. Some could be better, but need to be in the minors for their development. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jul 29, 2017 14:57:15 GMT -8
Great point on giving up HRs. That's what happens when you're in the Bigs with average, or slightly above, stuff. Only guys like Greg Maddox can make that work. It has to do with absolute precision command. Moore had placed too many pitches in very hittable locations, too often. Maddox almost never did.
Andrew Moore is ideally situated RIGHT now in AAA, in order to work on getting his stuff together.
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Post by jdogge on Jul 29, 2017 15:54:38 GMT -8
Great point on giving up HRs. That's what happens when you're in the Bigs with average, or slightly above, stuff. Only guys like Greg Maddox can make that work. It has to do with absolute precision command. Moore had placed too many pitches in very hittable locations, too often. Maddox almost never did. Andrew Moore is ideally situated RIGHT now in AAA, in order to work on getting his stuff together. Sacrilege! Don'tr you know that every ex-Beaver is destined for the All-Star team the moment they're called up and a shoe-in for the HOF? |
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Post by joecool on Jul 30, 2017 10:39:08 GMT -8
Tyler Smith claimed by Texas today.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 30, 2017 11:19:55 GMT -8
Great point on giving up HRs. That's what happens when you're in the Bigs with average, or slightly above, stuff. Only guys like Greg Maddox can make that work. It has to do with absolute precision command. Moore had placed too many pitches in very hittable locations, too often. Maddox almost never did. Andrew Moore is ideally situated RIGHT now in AAA, in order to work on getting his stuff together. Sacrilege! Don'tr you know that every ex-Beaver is destined for the All-Star team the moment they're called up and a shoe-in for the HOF? Wow, got any other strawmen you wish to create? And it's shoo-in, BTW. |
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