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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 24, 2017 12:00:09 GMT -8
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Post by alwaysorange on Jul 24, 2017 14:11:24 GMT -8
Absolutely ridiculous. in 80 years somebody will want a building renamed because the person whose name is on the building ate red meat or smoked cigarettes. Much like the renaming of school buildings in the Centennial school district because the family name of lynch bothers a few people,
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Post by seastape on Jul 24, 2017 14:34:10 GMT -8
I have no problem with it.
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Post by gzrbvr on Jul 24, 2017 15:11:04 GMT -8
Buildings on campus should not be named after people. Unless you have a special map, it is practically impossible to know what building is being discussed. I used to know where Commerce was and Social Studies, Agriculture, even Poultry. The Women's building was in a known location as was Food Tech, the Library and Home Ec. Now it is just a jumble of names that defies solution without a map. I propose the school go the same route as the bowl games, golf tournaments and the big stadiums around the country and name buildings with such appellations as Azteca-Bayer Pharmacy Building, Boeing Superliner Mechanical Engineering Building, Betty Crocker Sifted Flour Home Economics Building, etc. What are your suggestions? I am sure corporate America will jump all over this idea, especially if they are allowed to install flashing neon signs on all sides of the buildings that are visible from I-5.
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Post by bennyskid on Jul 24, 2017 15:21:06 GMT -8
There is no evidence that he refused to bring in blacks, and he brought in one walk-on from the track team. As AD, he allowed Valenti to recruit blacks. There is no record of him uttering a single racist word.
I know this is a huge reach here . . . but maybe he didn't see much profit in being a 60-year white guy trying to recruit blacks to a lily-white farm town two hours from the nearest significant black community. It was a different era then. Recruiting wasn't national, there wasn't video and AAU showcases, and Gill's recruiting budget wouldn't cover what Louisville spends on strippers in a weekend.
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Post by mbabeav on Jul 24, 2017 15:26:25 GMT -8
There might be one obstacle to renaming Gill. It's in the historical zone - making any kind of changes, however minor (and changing a name is not minor) is a big process.
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Post by bennyskid on Jul 24, 2017 15:29:21 GMT -8
Buildings on campus should not be named after people. Unless you have a special map, it is practically impossible to know what building is being discussed. I used to know where Commerce was and Social Studies, Agriculture, even Poultry. The Women's building was in a known location as was Food Tech, the Library and Home Ec. Now it is just a jumble of names that defies solution without a map. I propose the school go the same route as the bowl games, golf tournaments and the big stadiums around the country and name buildings with such appellations as Azteca-Bayer Pharmacy Building, Boeing Superliner Mechanical Engineering Building, Betty Crocker Sifted Flour Home Economics Building, etc. What are your suggestions? I am sure corporate America will jump all over this idea, especially if they are allowed to install flashing neon signs on all sides of the buildings that are visible from I-5. You want to name things after Friedrich Bayer, father of Heroin? William Boeing, the timber and mining baron responsible for the deforestation of much of Minnesota? At least you are safe with Betty Crocker - unless you realize that she's the creation of General Mills, creator of Trix cereal, which surely ranks with heroin as one of the most destructive drugs in history.
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Post by fumblerooski on Jul 24, 2017 16:36:21 GMT -8
There is no evidence that he refused to bring in blacks, and he brought in one walk-on from the track team. As AD, he allowed Valenti to recruit blacks. There is no record of him uttering a single racist word. I know this is a huge reach here . . . but maybe he didn't see much profit in being a 60-year white guy trying to recruit blacks to a lily-white farm town two hours from the nearest significant black community. It was a different era then. Recruiting wasn't national, there wasn't video and AAU showcases, and Gill's recruiting budget wouldn't cover what Louisville spends on strippers in a weekend. While I agree with the point you're making, I couldn't help but be distracted by your use of the term "blacks". I know these things are generational and it has changed over the years but that's a term that is outdated and offensive. Black can be used as an adjective but shouldn't be used as a noun. If you want to play it safe, just stick to African American. I'm in no way insinuating you're racist but referring to a group as "blacks" is seen as racist nowadays. I'm not typing this to scold you but rather as a psa, kind of a "heads up". Racism or prejudice isn't something that I want associated with OSU students, faculty, administration or fans.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 24, 2017 17:22:36 GMT -8
Absolutely ridiculous. in 80 years somebody will want a building renamed because the person whose name is on the building ate red meat or smoked cigarettes. Much like the renaming of school buildings in the Centennial school district because the family name of lynch bothers a few people, I get the opposition to Avery. He was also the founder of Corvallis, but he later opened a pro-slavery newspaper. Arnold. He fought for the South, but he was from the South. He may have been conscripted for all we know. Benton was a southerner and pro-slavery early in his life, but he was anti-slavery late in his life. I cannot believe that Gill is on the same list as a noted racist; a man that fought for the South; and a someone that was, at some point in his life, pro-slavery. Gill's inclusion makes the whole endeavor silly, if you ask me.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 24, 2017 17:25:53 GMT -8
There is no evidence that he refused to bring in blacks, and he brought in one walk-on from the track team. As AD, he allowed Valenti to recruit blacks. There is no record of him uttering a single racist word. I know this is a huge reach here . . . but maybe he didn't see much profit in being a 60-year white guy trying to recruit blacks to a lily-white farm town two hours from the nearest significant black community. It was a different era then. Recruiting wasn't national, there wasn't video and AAU showcases, and Gill's recruiting budget wouldn't cover what Louisville spends on strippers in a weekend. While I agree with the point you're making, I couldn't help but be distracted by your use of the term "blacks". I know these things are generational and it has changed over the years but that's a term that is outdated and offensive. Black can be used as an adjective but shouldn't be used as a noun. If you want to play it safe, just stick to African American. I'm in no way insinuating you're racist but referring to a group as "blacks" is seen as racist nowadays. I'm not typing this to scold you but rather as a psa, kind of a "heads up". Racism or prejudice isn't something that I want associated with OSU students, faculty, administration or fans. African-American is a slippery phrase, too, though. Charlize Theron and Candice Swanepoel are true African-Americans. And, if general human evolutionary theories are correct, so is everyone else, really.
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Post by beavs6 on Jul 24, 2017 18:38:17 GMT -8
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Post by mb on Jul 24, 2017 19:57:52 GMT -8
It's history; part of our past. Teach and learn from it. Let it Beav. MB.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 24, 2017 20:54:10 GMT -8
I'm not going to click on the O-live link. Can someone summarize the "push to rename?"
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 24, 2017 21:13:21 GMT -8
I'm not going to click on the O-live link. Can someone summarize the "push to rename?" Let's see... complete and utter BS from a far too PC group who has no effing life or better things to do!!! I'm sure none of the initiators have any skeletons in their closets. But, perfectly typically of the type of article the "rag" will highlight. I think that's about it. Questions? 😁
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Post by seastape on Jul 25, 2017 0:20:26 GMT -8
I'm not going to click on the O-live link. Can someone summarize the "push to rename?" Let's see... complete and utter BS from a far too PC group who has no effing life or better things to do!!! I'm sure none of the initiators have any skeletons in their closets. But, perfectly typically of the type of article the "rag" will highlight. I think that's about it. Questions? 😁 And now, ag87, a summary of the "push to rename" from a more neutral source. Our beloved alma mater is considering renaming four campus buildings due to their namesakes' alleged segregationist or pro-slavery past. The four buildings are: 1) Arnold Dining Center, named after Benjamin Arnold, second President of OSU (or, more likely, OAC). According to the article, which was written by students (and possibly high school students, at that), he was a confederate soldier during the civil war and came to Corvallis in 1872. He required students to wear a grey uniform that resembled a confederate uniform. 2) Avery Lodge, named after the founder of Corvallis and the owner of a pro-slavery newspaper. 3) Gill Coliseum, named after Amory "Slats" Gill who stands accused of segregating the basketball team. 4) Benton Hall. There is only the mention that it is one of the four buildings up for renaming. Who this "Benton" person is and his/her exact offense are not discussed in the article. (My note: Most likely Thomas Hart Benton, after whom Benton County is named. A Missouri Senator from 1821 - 1851, he was a big believer in Manifest Destiny and westward expansion of the US and favored displacement of Indians to make way for settlers of European descent. He was a slave owner, and staunch supporter of Andrew Jackson and the Democratic Party until 1849, when he declared that he was against slavery. I am not sure if he had gotten rid of his slaves by then, but by that time he had felt for some years that the Democrats had been skirting the line of treason by their views on slavery in the context of the Union. Benton was almost shot over the issue on the floor of the Senate in 1850.)According to the article, The Architectural Naming Committee will research the namesakes of the buildings and gather input from the community, including faculty, staff and other members of the community, via meetings and forums. They hope to have a decision on whether to rename the buildings by December and, even if the buildings are not renamed, will provide education materials about the buildings. Nutshell version.
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