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Post by beavs6 on Jun 23, 2017 18:27:44 GMT -8
Terrible pitch call... up and in to power lefty. Shown both breakers. Two seam runner... not 3rd breaker... and worse location to lefty. Good news Lange looks very HITTABLE... 91 with slow readable breaker. Announcers say 3 wins this... no chance... in going 6-7. Wrong...in at least 3 ways. DB.
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 23, 2017 18:34:09 GMT -8
They said that the wording is confusing, because it says the ball must touch the ground first. Sounds to me like the blame rests with Jenkins. He needs to tell Pat that it was close enough to have a conversation with the umps. At the very least, reviewing it gives Kwan a couple minutes to shake off the "woulda-shoulda" frustration and get focused for the next pitch. Sounds to me like the blame rests with the umps. A trully HORRIBLE call that had all kinds of different game ramifications.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 23, 2017 19:18:58 GMT -8
Request when asked... read again... they don't review their own call unless crew has questions among themselves. Called foul... no other ump had different call. You probably know more about most of the official rules of baseball than me, but I don't think you've read the official rules on this one. Basically the calling ump has to either ask for help or another has to suggest a conference. The coach can "request" a conference, but in doing so is as likely to get tossed as he is to actually get a review, and the coach specifically cannot request a replay or "challenge" a call. Bottom line is the umpire crew screwed up the bottom of the 3rd in every way possible with a massive impact on the remainder of the game.
Relevant excerpts from NCAA Baseball 2017 and 2018 Rules
Appendix E, Section 2 c. The crew chief will make the determination to use instant replay. There is no “coaches challenge.” Under the provisions of Getting the Call Right, coaches have the ability to request a conference among the umpires.
Appendix E, Section 1 D) Umpires are not to seek help on plays on which they are 100 percent confident in their judgment and view of the play. Head coaches are not entitled to a second opinion when the calling umpire is certain his decision is correct. On the other hand, and contrary to past practice, umpires are not to “die with a call” in cases in which a) the calling umpire is not 100 percent certain he is right; and b) another umpire has additional information that could lead to a proper ruling. Both NCAA philosophy and umpire integrity – consistent with NCAA rules – dictate that calls are reversed in this situation. E) When an umpire seeks help, he should do so shortly after making his original call. He should not have a lengthy discussion with the head coach or others and then ask for help. If the calling umpire seeks help, he should include other umpire(s) who would likely have the best position to see the elements of the play. This conversation must take place away from players or coaches. If a crew chief deems it necessary, he can, at his discretion, bring together the entire crew. All umpires involved should meet at once; multiple meetings unnecessarily delay the game. Crew chiefs can conduct conferences and are expected to ensure that NCAA philosophies are given priority over any single umpire’s pride.
Did PC ask? No. It was stated late in the game the crew would have conferenced if asked. You don't get tossed for asking them to conference. If PC asked, they say no conference needed and he argued be could be tossed, but doubt it. The call was wrong in live action... ball hit half fair/foul. Call was made immediately. PC did not ask and admitted he made a mistake. So there were a couple of blown "calls" the 3B ump and PC.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 23, 2017 19:23:11 GMT -8
Terrible pitch call... up and in to power lefty. Shown both breakers. Two seam runner... not 3rd breaker... and worse location to lefty. Good news Lange looks very HITTABLE... 91 with slow readable breaker. Announcers say 3 wins this... no chance... in going 6-7. Wrong...in at least 3 ways. DB. You're great after the fact... what a couple hours time difference or just intelligence delay? Maybe place a huge bet on the 2017 Super Bowl? I say what I see and believe, not try be Nostradamus. Unlike you I talk the sport not as much focus on idiots that mainly talk trash. Maybe LSU could use you on their site... name over there fits most of your posts. 😉
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 23, 2017 19:45:57 GMT -8
Wrong...in at least 3 ways. DB. You're great after the fact... what a couple hours time difference or just intelligence delay? Maybe place a huge bet on the 2017 Super Bowl? I say what I see and believe, not try be Nostradamus. Unlike you I talk the sport not as much focus on idiots that mainly talk trash. Maybe LSU could use you on their site... name over there fits most of your posts. 😉 Thought you did not wager. You "talk" to hear yourself speak. Glad to know you think another board may welcome me. Gives me at least 2... you not so much as 1.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 23, 2017 20:34:33 GMT -8
You're great after the fact... what a couple hours time difference or just intelligence delay? Maybe place a huge bet on the 2017 Super Bowl? I say what I see and believe, not try be Nostradamus. Unlike you I talk the sport not as much focus on idiots that mainly talk trash. Maybe LSU could use you on their site... name over there fits most of your posts. 😉 Thought you did not wager. You "talk" to hear yourself speak. Glad to know you think another board may welcome me. Gives me at least 2... you not so much as 1. LMAO... maybe read again... connect the dots... then color within the lines
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Post by beaverboilermaker on Jun 23, 2017 20:51:54 GMT -8
Did PC ask? No.
It was stated late in the game the crew would have conferenced if asked. You don't get tossed for asking them to conference.
If PC asked, they say no conference needed and he argued be could be tossed, but doubt it.
The call was wrong in live action... ball hit half fair/foul. Call was made immediately. PC did not ask and admitted he made a mistake.
So there were a couple of blown "calls" the 3B ump and PC.[/quote]
I think we're saying the same thing - the way the rule is implemented may be different than the way it is written. ESECPN's announcers made it sound like OSUs coaches aren't familiar enough with how the rule is interpreted (in the SEC) outside of the written. If that is true, it's on the NCAA for failing to write the rule so coaches know how it is to be implemented.
IMHO, the NCAA will make all reviewable plays in the CWS next year called from the booth, since there's only one game at a time, largely because of the embarrassment of this year's Game 11 disaster.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 23, 2017 21:48:45 GMT -8
Wrong...in at least 3 ways. DB. You're great after the fact... what a couple hours time difference or just intelligence delay? Maybe place a huge bet on the 2017 Super Bowl? I say what I see and believe, not try be Nostradamus. Unlike you I talk the sport not as much focus on idiots that mainly talk trash. Maybe LSU could use you on their site... name over there fits most of your posts. 😉 Hey man, he's right, you were wrong. No bigge. Just admit it.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 23, 2017 21:58:53 GMT -8
You're great after the fact... what a couple hours time difference or just intelligence delay? Maybe place a huge bet on the 2017 Super Bowl? I say what I see and believe, not try be Nostradamus. Unlike you I talk the sport not as much focus on idiots that mainly talk trash. Maybe LSU could use you on their site... name over there fits most of your posts. 😉 Hey man, he's right, you were wrong. No bigge. Just admit it. Ya... well you can't really be right if you make no "predictions". Making comments about those who do isn't being right, it's just being a guy who waits til after the fact to try and diss. It's conversation on what you think will happen. A lot of people seem to think being right or wrong is the issue on this board. Lol By the way, we call those guys "cowardly fans"... never say anything before hand... "I told ya so" after.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 23, 2017 22:45:53 GMT -8
Hey man, he's right, you were wrong. No bigge. Just admit it. Ya... well you can't really be right if you make no "predictions". Making comments about those who do isn't being right, it's just being a guy who waits til after the fact to try and diss. It's conversation on what you think will happen. A lot of people seem to think being right or wrong is the issue on this board. Lol By the way, we call those guys "cowardly fans"... never say anything before hand... "I told ya so" after. Wow, I really thought he looked hittable, but that sure didn't happen! Much lower scoring than I thought. Go get 'me tomorrow! See how easy that is?
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Post by bayouboys on Jun 24, 2017 7:03:20 GMT -8
Ya... well you can't really be right if you make no "predictions". Making comments about those who do isn't being right, it's just being a guy who waits til after the fact to try and diss. It's conversation on what you think will happen. A lot of people seem to think being right or wrong is the issue on this board. Lol By the way, we call those guys "cowardly fans"... never say anything before hand... "I told ya so" after. Wow, I really thought he looked hittable, but that sure didn't happen! Much lower scoring than I thought. Go get 'me tomorrow! See how easy that is? I thought the same thing about Fehmel on Monday... FWIW Lange was drafted in the first round, ahead of your boy Raz
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Post by rafer on Jun 24, 2017 9:47:40 GMT -8
What was his record?? Apparently he HAS been hittable, no??
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Post by EOBeav on Jun 24, 2017 10:07:31 GMT -8
FWIW Lange was drafted in the first round, ahead of your boy Raz Frankly, I was surprised Rass went as high as he did, especially after coming off an incomplete season following Tommy John surgery. He really hasn't been his freshmen self since coming back. I would have thought that he would come back for another year at OSU, make his mark, and then get drafted after next season.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 24, 2017 10:27:51 GMT -8
Wow, I really thought he looked hittable, but that sure didn't happen! Much lower scoring than I thought. Go get 'me tomorrow! See how easy that is? I thought the same thing about Fehmel on Monday... FWIW Lange was drafted in the first round, ahead of your boy Raz Actually I was responding to baseballllll by quoting him. I didn't have it share an opinion one way or another.
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Post by bayouboys on Jun 24, 2017 14:57:03 GMT -8
You can't expect to win a game when the 1-5 hitters go 0-15. Not going to happen. Shake it off and tomorrow is a brand new day! Go Beavs! Why i believe LSU wins tomorrow. This loss will be very detrimental to the OSU team. they are not used to losing and having to comeback tomorrow with that taste still in your mouth may cause them to lose focus and LSU takes an early lead and never looks back.
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