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Post by albeaver on Jun 22, 2017 21:44:17 GMT -8
No...when you factor in the level of skill across the board of today's highly specialized athlete and the training regimens they submit to, I think it absolutely stands to reason that this team, if it brings home the hardware, while losing one game or less, will be inarguably the greatest team of all time. At the very least, they will statistically be the best there ever was. That cannot be argued. W/L wise... yep. Add a trophy they are in the conversation, but again there is no defining criteria with how college baseball has changed. This team in no way compares, specialized or not, to the talent or some of the greatest teams ever. Beleive me, the guys from the past were as highly "specialized" as any today. And since you brought up athletes you are talking individuals, not team. We have 20/20 hindsight in their instances that show some teams didn't just have draft choices but multiple highly successful MLB players on the same team. This team will not... sorry to say. Not even supposed sure fire high draft picks are a sure thing to even play at the MLB level let alone be highly successful. OSU under PC has been and will always be about "team" not a bunch of highly regarded MLB prospects. Have some gone on (maybe on the way) to MLB careers? Yep. But, over PC's tenure we can not toss out a list of names that even remotely compare to those at some schools with successful NC teams. It is just that factor that separates OSU from some of the blue bloods in Omaha... we come as underrated because we typically do not have that national known high draft pick group of studs (bias... I think so). Teams usually beat a group of individuals... and molding a group of young men is what makes PC special. But, there are a few coaches that have done the same with 10 top notch MLB types too. No clue what you are trying to say here, and I don't think you do either. what does high draft picks and great mob players have to do with the greatest college baseball team? wtf are you talking about? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 22, 2017 22:42:02 GMT -8
W/L wise... yep. Add a trophy they are in the conversation, but again there is no defining criteria with how college baseball has changed. This team in no way compares, specialized or not, to the talent or some of the greatest teams ever. Beleive me, the guys from the past were as highly "specialized" as any today. And since you brought up athletes you are talking individuals, not team. We have 20/20 hindsight in their instances that show some teams didn't just have draft choices but multiple highly successful MLB players on the same team. This team will not... sorry to say. Not even supposed sure fire high draft picks are a sure thing to even play at the MLB level let alone be highly successful. OSU under PC has been and will always be about "team" not a bunch of highly regarded MLB prospects. Have some gone on (maybe on the way) to MLB careers? Yep. But, over PC's tenure we can not toss out a list of names that even remotely compare to those at some schools with successful NC teams. It is just that factor that separates OSU from some of the blue bloods in Omaha... we come as underrated because we typically do not have that national known high draft pick group of studs (bias... I think so). Teams usually beat a group of individuals... and molding a group of young men is what makes PC special. But, there are a few coaches that have done the same with 10 top notch MLB types too. No clue what you are trying to say here, and I don't think you do either. what does high draft picks and great mob players have to do with the greatest college baseball team? wtf are you talking about? Obviously over your head... go back to bed... or under your rock. Really not that difficult to connect. |
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Post by bayouboys on Jun 22, 2017 23:07:21 GMT -8
It's not a foregone conclusion yet though. Still need to beat LSU to even get to the title matchup. Is it possible? Yes. Are we likely to be the favorite in any game played from here out? You bet. Still gotta win. Still gotta get there, and still gotta beat whoever meets us there. It isn't over. Not yet, and all the teams still standing are Top 6 seeds. Most loaded field ever. But we can do it. Three to go. Believe. By national seeds and record, the final four is the most loaded field since 2011: #1 Virginia, #2 Florida, #4 South Carolina, and #6 Vanderbilt. The ACC Champion, the SEC Champion, the SEC regular season champion, and the SEC regular season co-champion and conference tournament co-champion. 2011 was the first year of the new bats, as well as the first year of TD Ameritrade. The games were generally low-scoring and dull. I never knew you could have a conference tournament co-champion, muchless when you win the conference tournament championship game 5 to 0... Just saying Vandy finished the regular season third in the SEC east and lost in the tournament championship game to Florida.. You have a bad source |
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Post by terrylinus on Jun 23, 2017 5:09:48 GMT -8
Thought experiment:
Were the star-studded 1976-77 Philadelphia 76'ers, with the likes of Erving, Dawkins, McGinnis, et al, a better TEAM than the well-oiled machine that was the pass-first, red hot and rollin' Portland Trail Blazers squad that year??
All-star players help, but a great TEAM they do not necessarily make.
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Post by beavs6 on Jun 23, 2017 8:24:13 GMT -8
I'm still waiting until we can agree this team can be labeled Special!
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 23, 2017 9:31:09 GMT -8
I'm still waiting until we can agree this team can be labeled Special! I believe we all are in total agreement that this team is special. If we do what other teams in our position haven't - aka actually win the CWS, be the first number 1 seed in this century to bring home the trophy, and end up with the best batting average, on base percentage and highest number of defensive ESPN top 10's in the dead bat era of the playoffs, then any quibbling will be reduced to "do we induct them immediately into every team hall of fame they are eligible for or wait till Jan 1 of next year. They are the best example of a complete college baseball team I have ever seen, especially in the mental aspect of the game (now that Trevor has suddenly discovered how to run the bases  ), and when they win this thing, they will need to use Reser stadium for the welcome home celebration, there will just not be enough room out front! |
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Post by justdamwin on Jun 23, 2017 9:34:56 GMT -8
I'm still waiting until we can agree this team can be labeled Special! I believe we all are in total agreement that this team is special. If we do what other teams in our position haven't - aka actually win the CWS, be the first number 1 seed in this century to bring home the trophy, and end up with the best batting average, on base percentage and highest number of defensive ESPN top 10's in the dead bat era of the playoffs, then any quibbling will be reduced to "do we induct them immediately into every team hall of fame they are eligible for immediately or wait till Jan 1 of next year. They are the best example of a complete college baseball team I have ever seen, especially in the mental aspect of the game (now that Trevor has suddenly discovered how to run the bases ), and when they win this thing, they will need to use Reser stadium for the welcome home celebration, there will just not be enough room out front! Who's eyeball test are you using? Seriously there is no leadership on this team. |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 23, 2017 9:41:54 GMT -8
I think for this team to stick in the minds of the nation, they need to either blow the doors off of LSU again and whoever they play in the championship round, or have one or two more late inning miraculous comebacks. Three straight ho-hum 6-3 wins aren't going to get much run on that show that used to show highlights on ESPN. It's the best team I think any of us have ever seen at OSU, but sentimentally, my favorite will always be the 2006 team, mainly because of Jonah Nickerson's heroics.
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Post by justdamwin on Jun 23, 2017 9:45:51 GMT -8
I think for this team to stick in the minds of the nation, they need to either blow the doors off of LSU again and whoever they play in the championship round, or have one or two more late inning miraculous comebacks. Three straight ho-hum 6-3 wins aren't going to get much run on that show that used to show highlights on ESPN. It's the best team I think any of us have ever seen at OSU, but sentimentally, my favorite will always be the 2006 team, mainly because of Jonah Nickerson's heroics. Nickerson-Buck-Gundy legends! |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 23, 2017 10:01:04 GMT -8
I think for this team to stick in the minds of the nation, they need to either blow the doors off of LSU again and whoever they play in the championship round, or have one or two more late inning miraculous comebacks. Three straight ho-hum 6-3 wins aren't going to get much run on that show that used to show highlights on ESPN. It's the best team I think any of us have ever seen at OSU, but sentimentally, my favorite will always be the 2006 team, mainly because of Jonah Nickerson's heroics. Agree in most respects. But, college baseball doesn't blow the doors off many EXCEPT college baseball fans. College baseball has always lived on the outskirts of mainstream media attention. Hell it wasn't too many years ago that you could walk into Goss and see 200 folks. It's just the way it is! So 56-4 and OSU aren't being disrespected its just the lot of college baseball in the national consciousness. And, really who cares about the "outside world". The whine about outside respect is growing tiresome. This "look at me" culture where everyone must "see" is off the charts weird and out of control. Those in the know respect. The ones that care respect. Winning creates tradition... baseball has it and that is what matters most in garnering recruits.... something currently missing in other sports. |
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 23, 2017 10:02:16 GMT -8
I believe we all are in total agreement that this team is special. If we do what other teams in our position haven't - aka actually win the CWS, be the first number 1 seed in this century to bring home the trophy, and end up with the best batting average, on base percentage and highest number of defensive ESPN top 10's in the dead bat era of the playoffs, then any quibbling will be reduced to "do we induct them immediately into every team hall of fame they are eligible for immediately or wait till Jan 1 of next year. They are the best example of a complete college baseball team I have ever seen, especially in the mental aspect of the game (now that Trevor has suddenly discovered how to run the bases ), and when they win this thing, they will need to use Reser stadium for the welcome home celebration, there will just not be enough room out front! Who's eyeball test are you using? Seriously there is no leadership on this team.  ? huh? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 23, 2017 10:03:28 GMT -8
I think for this team to stick in the minds of the nation, they need to either blow the doors off of LSU again and whoever they play in the championship round, or have one or two more late inning miraculous comebacks. Three straight ho-hum 6-3 wins aren't going to get much run on that show that used to show highlights on ESPN. It's the best team I think any of us have ever seen at OSU, but sentimentally, my favorite will always be the 2006 team, mainly because of Jonah Nickerson's heroics. Nickerson-Buck-Gundy legends! + Paterson and Turpen... even a little Stutes tossed in to prep for 2007 |
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 23, 2017 10:14:03 GMT -8
Nickerson-Buck-Gundy legends! + Paterson and Turpen... even a little Stutes tossed in to prep for 2007 How could you forget Jorge?!?!?!?! |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 23, 2017 10:19:51 GMT -8
+ Paterson and Turpen... even a little Stutes tossed in to prep for 2007 How could you forget Jorge?!?!?!?! And even Maxwell had big innings in games. Again to my point... that STAFF was once in a lifetime group. Stat people will cite #s... but look at that list... 20/20 hindsight but I'd take 4 of those guys to start today and feel more confident than I did now. No slight to JTs year but those guys were absolute studs in Omaha. |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jun 23, 2017 10:23:11 GMT -8
+ Paterson and Turpen... even a little Stutes tossed in to prep for 2007 How could you forget Jorge?!?!?!?! Headline writer was on his game w/the headline Turpen Time! |
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), and when they win this thing, they will need to use Reser stadium for the welcome home celebration, there will just not be enough room out front!
