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Post by thearrogantcorndog on Jun 12, 2017 13:30:48 GMT -8
"I feel if OSU were in the SEC, they would certainly be a top 4 team." BARTENDER, I'll have what that guy is drinking! Somehow I think #1 nationally trumps top 4 sec Go Beavs!! What I was getting at is the SOS... 4 loses is incredible, but the SOS plays a major factor... 6 of the top 11 SOS are SEC teams (LSU at 11), while OSU comes in at a mere 83... it's undeniable that y'all played an extremely weaker schedule, in a weaker conference 4 loses in any conference, over an entire season, is a guaranteed #1, but that only tells half the story I believe harder competetion week-in and week-out makes a team more capable of handling tough opponents... after all, they've been through the muck and hardships more than most, and still came out on top All that being said, baseball is a sport unlike any other... crazy things happen all the time... just ask UNC |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 12, 2017 13:52:51 GMT -8
"I feel if OSU were in the SEC, they would certainly be a top 4 team." BARTENDER, I'll have what that guy is drinking! Somehow I think #1 nationally trumps top 4 sec Go Beavs!! What I was getting at is the SOS... 4 loses is incredible, but the SOS plays a major factor... 6 of the top 11 SOS are SEC teams (LSU at 11), while OSU comes in at a mere 83... it's undeniable that y'all played an extremely weaker schedule, in a weaker conference 4 loses in any conference, over an entire season, is a guaranteed #1, but that only tells half the story I believe harder competetion week-in and week-out makes a team more capable of handling tough opponents... after all, they've been through the muck and hardships more than most, and still came out on top All that being said, baseball is a sport unlike any other... crazy things happen all the time... just ask UNC ISR: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 65), #6 LSU (SOS:27), #12 Florida State (SOS: 25), and #17 CS Fullerton (SOS: 17) Sagarin: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 67), #5 LSU (SOS: 21), #11 Florida State (SOS: 23), and #20 CS Fullerton (SOS: 18) Massey: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 46), #3 LSU (SOS: 17), #7 Florida State (SOS: 12), and #15 CS Fullerton (SOS: 13) ISOV: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 44), #3 LSU (SOS: 17), #13 Florida State (SOS: 21), and #16 CS Fullerton (SOS: 22) RPI: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 83), #5 LSU (SOS: 11), #7 Florida State (SOS: 1), and #22 CS Fullerton (SOS: 40) The terrible joke that is RPI. Only RPI (or Warren Nolan's even dopier NPI) would rate CS Fullerton's and Oregon State's schedule so poorly and Florida State and LSU's schedule so well. LSU lost to #1 Florida, #3 Kentucky, #7 Texas A&M and did not play #6 Vanderbilt, #8 Auburn, or #10 Missouri. Four of the six conference series wins were against teams that did not make the Tournament. The big win was against #4 Arkansas, who lost its own regional to Missouri State. LSU went 4-0 in Hoover but played #10 Missouri, #11 South Carolina, and the aforementioned #4 Arkansas. Beating #3 Kentucky 10-0 was a legitimate win. But the Wildcats were an epic meltdown away from sweeping the Tigers in Lexington back in April. If you take away the Kentucky win in Hoover and Kentucky's epic meltdown in April, LSU's last quality win was 10-6 in Gainesville back in March to avoid the sweep. Zero quality series wins the entire season. Lost the Shriners Hospitals College Classic to a mixed bag of TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Losing to quality teams does not a quality team make, whether RPI and the other computers think so or not. In my opinion, CS Fullerton is the scariest team on Oregon State's side of the bracket. LSU is certainly a dicier proposition than Florida State, but that is not saying a heck of a lot. Still, if Florida goes down, in my opinion, CS Fullerton and LSU would be the best two teams left in the tournament. Also, to put a fine point upon it. Oregon State wins the SEC comfortably. I am not saying that Oregon State does not have 1-5 more losses, but they win the SEC and are still in the single digit loss column heading to Hoover. Using RPI, Oregon State is 31-2 against teams rated in the top 100 in RPI. LSU is 32-15. Florida is 33-18. |
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Post by Beavcat on Jun 12, 2017 14:17:18 GMT -8
I know this is late, but I would like to point out that our Admin team created a place where other fans are welcome to trash talk as much as possible... X-rated banter is quite welcome and enjoyable... I admire the modz here for keeping things how they see fit i.e. ponchovilla ... but please understand, on TigerDroppings, pretty much anything goes (except nudes)... beware all who enter... thick skin is required, but at the end of the day, it's all in good fun I generally have a pretty thick skin but had to leave your board after encountering the first pedophile joke. There is a line for some. |
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Post by thearrogantcorndog on Jun 12, 2017 14:27:34 GMT -8
What I was getting at is the SOS... 4 loses is incredible, but the SOS plays a major factor... 6 of the top 11 SOS are SEC teams (LSU at 11), while OSU comes in at a mere 83... it's undeniable that y'all played an extremely weaker schedule, in a weaker conference 4 loses in any conference, over an entire season, is a guaranteed #1, but that only tells half the story I believe harder competetion week-in and week-out makes a team more capable of handling tough opponents... after all, they've been through the muck and hardships more than most, and still came out on top All that being said, baseball is a sport unlike any other... crazy things happen all the time... just ask UNC ISR: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 65), #6 LSU (SOS:27), #12 Florida State (SOS: 25), and #17 CS Fullerton (SOS: 17) Sagarin: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 67), #5 LSU (SOS: 21), #11 Florida State (SOS: 23), and #20 CS Fullerton (SOS: 18) Massey: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 46), #3 LSU (SOS: 17), #7 Florida State (SOS: 12), and #15 CS Fullerton (SOS: 13) ISOV: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 44), #3 LSU (SOS: 17), #13 Florida State (SOS: 21), and #16 CS Fullerton (SOS: 22) RPI: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 83), #5 LSU (SOS: 11), #7 Florida State (SOS: 1), and #22 CS Fullerton (SOS: 40) The terrible joke that is RPI. Only RPI (or Warren Nolan's even dopier NPI) would rate CS Fullerton's and Oregon State's schedule so poorly and Florida State and LSU's schedule so well. LSU lost to #1 Florida, #3 Kentucky, #7 Texas A&M and did not play #6 Vanderbilt, #8 Auburn, or #10 Missouri. Four of the six conference series wins were against teams that did not make the Tournament. The big win was against #4 Arkansas, who lost its own regional to Missouri State. LSU went 4-0 in Hoover but played #10 Missouri, #11 South Carolina, and the aforementioned #4 Arkansas. Beating #3 Kentucky 10-0 was a legitimate win. But the Wildcats were an epic meltdown away from sweeping the Tigers in Lexington back in April. If you take away the Kentucky win in Hoover and Kentucky's epic meltdown in April, LSU's last quality win was 10-6 in Gainesville back in March to avoid the sweep. Zero quality series wins the entire season. Lost the Shriners Hospitals College Classic to a mixed bag of TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Losing to quality teams does not a quality team make, whether RPI and the other computers think so or not. In my opinion, CS Fullerton is the scariest team on Oregon State's side of the bracket. LSU is certainly a dicier proposition than Florida State, but that is not saying a heck of a lot. Still, if Florida goes down, in my opinion, CS Fullerton and LSU would be the best two teams left in the tournament. Also, to put a fine point upon it. Oregon State wins the SEC comfortably. I am not saying that Oregon State does not have 1-5 more losses, but they win the SEC and are still in the single digit loss column heading to Hoover. Using RPI, Oregon State is 31-2 against teams rated in the top 100 in RPI. LSU is 32-15. Florida is 33-18. Let's see... we are regular season co-champs with Florida and won the SEC tournament outright with back-to-back shutouts leading into the championship game... a lot harder competetion to face than PAC-12 and it's not comparable imo Now, using that early season tournament where we lost to TT by one, beat Baylor, and lost to TCU by 3, is practically irrelevant... we use those games as tests for our underclassmen and players with question marks to find out what we have, and test them... Our coaches take a different approach to the season than most... we leave kids out in very tough situations to see what they're made of... they test them beyond their capacity and put them in no win situations to see how they react... it's all a massive test for the post season... admittedly, we purposefully don't put our best foot forward every single game in order to develop lesser players and learn who can do what That being said, let's look at more telling numbers top 50 RPI... Y'all have played 12 games vs top 50 RPI, and to y'alls credit, won them all We have played 41 games vs top 50 RPI and are 28-13 The level of competetion isn't close, and I maintain that 41 games vs top 50 compared to 12 games vs top 50 means we are more battle tested and hardened against great competition Saying OSU would win the SEC comfortably is a farce... you guys haven't been tested on a comparable level... being a Pink Floyd fan, the words "Haha, charade you are" come to mind... still, 4 loses on any schedule is an insane achievement... however, i have my doubts as to how ready OSU is to take on the elite tier of programs |
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Post by thearrogantcorndog on Jun 12, 2017 14:33:19 GMT -8
I know this is late, but I would like to point out that our Admin team created a place where other fans are welcome to trash talk as much as possible... X-rated banter is quite welcome and enjoyable... I admire the modz here for keeping things how they see fit i.e. ponchovilla ... but please understand, on TigerDroppings, pretty much anything goes (except nudes)... beware all who enter... thick skin is required, but at the end of the day, it's all in good fun I generally have a pretty thick skin but had to leave your board after encountering the first pedophile joke. There is a line for some. Completely understandable, and props to you for sticking to your guns... disgusting trolls are disgusting... my advice would be to ignore those idiots... I do... there are many there who want and enjoy good, honest debate... and yes, there are idiots who want to troll with stupid posts... if you ignore them, they go away... but like I said, it's completely understandable and again, props for sticking to your morals We are not all like that |
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Post by beaverdude on Jun 12, 2017 14:36:56 GMT -8
however, i have my doubts as to how ready OSU is to take on the elite tier of programs We sure hope our opponents think that way  OSU went back-to-back in 2006 and 2007 using very different routes. The 2006 team was a Pac-12 juggernaut and dropped their first CWS game by double-digits. They fought their way through the consolation bracket to make the final which was held the following weekend (there's a week off now). After losing game 1 in the final they beat UNC in the last 2 becoming the only team to lose 2 games and win it all. In 2007 they barely made the field of 64 then blitzed every team they faced. Only trailed for 1/2 inning of 1 game. Coach Casey guided both those teams, he knows how to get his players ready. Its going to be a great CWS to watch! |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 12, 2017 15:03:42 GMT -8
ISR: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 65), #6 LSU (SOS:27), #12 Florida State (SOS: 25), and #17 CS Fullerton (SOS: 17) Sagarin: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 67), #5 LSU (SOS: 21), #11 Florida State (SOS: 23), and #20 CS Fullerton (SOS: 18) Massey: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 46), #3 LSU (SOS: 17), #7 Florida State (SOS: 12), and #15 CS Fullerton (SOS: 13) ISOV: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 44), #3 LSU (SOS: 17), #13 Florida State (SOS: 21), and #16 CS Fullerton (SOS: 22) RPI: #1 Oregon State (SOS: 83), #5 LSU (SOS: 11), #7 Florida State (SOS: 1), and #22 CS Fullerton (SOS: 40) The terrible joke that is RPI. Only RPI (or Warren Nolan's even dopier NPI) would rate CS Fullerton's and Oregon State's schedule so poorly and Florida State and LSU's schedule so well. LSU lost to #1 Florida, #3 Kentucky, #7 Texas A&M and did not play #6 Vanderbilt, #8 Auburn, or #10 Missouri. Four of the six conference series wins were against teams that did not make the Tournament. The big win was against #4 Arkansas, who lost its own regional to Missouri State. LSU went 4-0 in Hoover but played #10 Missouri, #11 South Carolina, and the aforementioned #4 Arkansas. Beating #3 Kentucky 10-0 was a legitimate win. But the Wildcats were an epic meltdown away from sweeping the Tigers in Lexington back in April. If you take away the Kentucky win in Hoover and Kentucky's epic meltdown in April, LSU's last quality win was 10-6 in Gainesville back in March to avoid the sweep. Zero quality series wins the entire season. Lost the Shriners Hospitals College Classic to a mixed bag of TCU, Baylor, and Texas Tech. Losing to quality teams does not a quality team make, whether RPI and the other computers think so or not. In my opinion, CS Fullerton is the scariest team on Oregon State's side of the bracket. LSU is certainly a dicier proposition than Florida State, but that is not saying a heck of a lot. Still, if Florida goes down, in my opinion, CS Fullerton and LSU would be the best two teams left in the tournament. Also, to put a fine point upon it. Oregon State wins the SEC comfortably. I am not saying that Oregon State does not have 1-5 more losses, but they win the SEC and are still in the single digit loss column heading to Hoover. Using RPI, Oregon State is 31-2 against teams rated in the top 100 in RPI. LSU is 32-15. Florida is 33-18. Let's see... we are regular season co-champs with Florida and won the SEC tournament outright with back-to-back shutouts leading into the championship game... a lot harder competetion to face than PAC-12 and it's not comparable imo Now, using that early season tournament where we lost to TT by one, beat Baylor, and lost to TCU by 3, is practically irrelevant... we use those games as tests for our underclassmen and players with question marks to find out what we have, and test them... Our coaches take a different approach to the season than most... we leave kids out in very tough situations to see what they're made of... they test them beyond their capacity and put them in no win situations to see how they react... it's all a massive test for the post season... admittedly, we purposefully don't put our best foot forward every single game in order to develop lesser players and learn who can do what That being said, let's look at more telling numbers top 50 RPI... Y'all have played 12 games vs top 50 RPI, and to y'alls credit, won them all We have played 41 games vs top 50 RPI and are 28-13 The level of competetion isn't close, and I maintain that 41 games vs top 50 compared to 12 games vs top 50 means we are more battle tested and hardened against great competition Saying OSU would win the SEC comfortably is a farce... you guys haven't been tested on a comparable level... being a Pink Floyd fan, the words "Haha, charade you are" come to mind... still, 4 loses on any schedule is an insane achievement... however, i have my doubts as to how ready OSU is to take on the elite tier of programs RPI be damned! You might as well base an argument upon phrenology. The Pac-12 is the conference of champions. The past 15 years, the Pac-12 and SEC have produced an equal number of champions, despite RPI saying otherwise every single year. Vanderbilt finished sixth in the SEC, but I was frankly less concerned watching the game than I was watching Oregon State play 10th-place USC. From what I have seen LSU is a step above Vanderbilt, but, from what I saw, the Commodores would have been a lower-rung team in the Pac-12. When even RPI concedes that Oregon State is the #1 team, Oregon State is the #1 team. As I said elsewhere, the three teams that worry me in Omaha are CS Fullerton, LSU, and Florida in that order. The other four teams are not in the same class and are sub-Vanderbilt-level teams in my opinion. |
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Post by thearrogantcorndog on Jun 12, 2017 15:05:43 GMT -8
however, i have my doubts as to how ready OSU is to take on the elite tier of programs We sure hope our opponents think that way OSU went back-to-back in 2006 and 2007 using very different routes. The 2006 team was a Pac-12 juggernaut and dropped their first CWS game by double-digits. They fought their way through the consolation bracket to make the final which was held the following weekend (there's a week off now). After losing game 1 in the final they beat UNC in the last 2 becoming the only team to lose 2 games and win it all. In 2007 they barely made the field of 64 then blitzed every team they faced. Only trailed for 1/2 inning of 1 game. Coach Casey guided both those teams, he knows how to get his players ready. Its going to be a great CWS to watch! I have no doubt y'alls coach is great... and if I were a player, i'd also hope to be underestimated... and please understand that in no way do we take OSU being in the CWS lightly... as a fan of an opposing team, I like to try and poke holes where I can And this year's CWS is stacked... it's going to be a good series regardless of which team we cheer for... although, I kind of wish Davidson would have made it in... I love a good underdog story, and I hate A&M lol |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jun 12, 2017 15:15:32 GMT -8
The SOS is self-perpetuating. Bunch of SEC teams start out the season ranked, and then they get credit for playing each other.
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Post by EOBeav on Jun 12, 2017 16:23:59 GMT -8
I feel if OSU were in the SEC, they would certainly be a top 4 team. lolololololol Looks like we've got a true SEC homer on our hands. Where the heck is BMoby when we really need him! |
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Post by beaver1989 on Jun 12, 2017 17:44:45 GMT -8
1 Florida 2 LSU 3 Texas A&M 4 Oregon St |
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Post by rainmanrich on Jun 12, 2017 19:38:07 GMT -8
1 Florida 2 LSU 3 Texas A&M 4 Oregon St I haven't said this in a very long time and it is NOT my intention to bring it back but ROFLMFAO! |
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Post by foreverlsu02 on Jun 13, 2017 5:44:06 GMT -8
We swept Auburn FWIW We had 7 conference series wins: Auburn, MSU, Arkansas, Georgia, Ole Miss, Bama and South Carolina. Four of our 7 series wins did not make the tournament. What point are you exactly trying to make here? 7 of OSU's 10 series wins didn't make the tournament FYI. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 13:54:44 GMT -8
ok the first post i read over there is asking if Oregon State is going to have recruiters at the new CARS movie. Not cool.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 13, 2017 14:10:44 GMT -8
ok the first post i read over there is asking if Oregon State is going to have recruiters at the new CARS movie. Not cool. It's the south... if you were in the same room with all there posters more than likely you'd be the only one with all their teeth! That area is a scary place, can't imagine what's behind those screens! |
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