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Post by seastape on Jun 8, 2017 11:29:14 GMT -8
I find it bizarre to the nth degree that a lot of people's first thoughts on the situation were how sleazy the Oregonian is for printing the story at the time they did.
My first thought was revulsion and wondering why the kid was recruited to come to OSU. |
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Post by bennyskid on Jun 8, 2017 11:42:37 GMT -8
I think too many people here missed this, taken from the same article:
The man served his sentence and has been clean ever since. People in his position present no greater risk to the community as the rest of us. All these comparisons with Penn State and Baylor are nonsense and concerns about his participation in camp is unwarranted.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 8, 2017 11:47:27 GMT -8
I think too many people here missed this, taken from the same article: The man served his sentence and has been clean ever since. People in his position present no greater risk to the community as the rest of us. All these comparisons with Penn State and Baylor are nonsense and concerns about his participation in camp is unwarranted. And getting back into psychology... when people learn about a crime they do not link past punishment. which is to say, the outrage they experience when learning about a past crime is not diminished by punishment already served. they react as if it just happened and the person is walking around punishment free. Because we as people tend to kneejerk react to emotional thing... and clearly molesting a child is emotional, disturbing and universally looked down on in society. And so when large groups of people then start learning about these things you have all the public outcry and venom that comes with it, usually without consideration about what when down, what resolution happened or any of that. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 8, 2017 11:56:42 GMT -8
I find it bizarre to the nth degree that a lot of people's first thoughts on the situation were how sleazy the Oregonian is for printing the story at the time they did.
My first thought was revulsion and wondering why the kid was recruited to come to OSU. Some folks don't like it when reality intrudes into our self-contained, hermetically-sealed sports terrarium. It's a big world out there.  |
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Post by rollotomasi on Jun 8, 2017 12:08:34 GMT -8
I find it bizarre to the nth degree that a lot of people's first thoughts on the situation were how sleazy the Oregonian is for printing the story at the time they did.
My first thought was revulsion and wondering why the kid was recruited to come to OSU. Some folks don't like it when reality intrudes into our self-contained, hermetically-sealed sports terrarium. It's a big world out there. That is a really neat terrarium. |
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Post by Ben E. Beaver on Jun 8, 2017 12:10:53 GMT -8
The comical part of the article is bringing up Oregon's defunct "unwritten policy prohibiting convicted felons from playing sports" as a better example of vetting recruits. They even had the gall to bring up Bellotti and Aliotti pressing a judge to have charges reduced against Rodney Woods who played a part in killing someone in a fight.
To double down, the article also uses Fresno State as an example of another program who has it right. Tark had no problem with the Second Chance U moniker his program carried while coaching there. Having attended the 2001 football game down there, the "no felons" policy obviously doesn't extend to the general student body.
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Post by bbfan on Jun 8, 2017 12:15:27 GMT -8
I think too many people here missed this, taken from the same article: The man served his sentence and has been clean ever since. People in his position present no greater risk to the community as the rest of us. All these comparisons with Penn State and Baylor are nonsense and concerns about his participation in camp is unwarranted. So people shouldn't be concerned if he participated in camps??? I hope for everyone's sake that Casey knew about this and that he wasn't part of the camps |
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Post by beavaristotle on Jun 8, 2017 12:18:28 GMT -8
Absolutely disgusting news. Remove him from the team just like teams are removing him from their draft boards. if Jeffrey Dahmer could throw the baseball 100 mph they would call his problem an eating disorder |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 8, 2017 12:20:59 GMT -8
The man served his sentence and has been clean ever since. People in his position present no greater risk to the community as the rest of us. All these comparisons with Penn State and Baylor are nonsense and concerns about his participation in camp is unwarranted. I'm not concerned with Luke's participation at camp. What I would be concerned about is that OSU has a policy that students who are registered sex offenders are not allowed to participate in youth outreach programs, and yet they allowed one to do so, regardless of if that student was reformed or not, a policy was in place. If they violated that policy because he "seemed like a good kid who presented no greater risk to the community," that is a problem in my opinion. Luke has done everything right (aside from deciding not to check in with the state after his birthday). He can be a student, pitch, all of that. To recap my stance: OSU should not suspend or punish Luke in any way The Oregonian is not the villain for reporting information that was newly uncovered. In fact, by reporting things like "minors have a 2.5% chance of repeating their offenses," they actually did more than necessary to paint Luke in as positive a light as possible. The timing sucks, but I believe coincidental. The Oregonian's timeline makes sense to me. If OSU knew and followed all of its policies and procedures, we're done here. It was reported, everyone reacted, time to move on. If OSU didn't know, I'd like to know if the university SHOULD have known and why it did not. If OSU knew and ignored its own policies and procedures in any way, that is a problem that needs to be taken care of. It's a slippery slope once you start cutting corners in any situation. Unfortunately, this is going to follow Luke the rest of his life.....but actions have consequences, and this is one I believe that is warranted. |
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Post by bill82 on Jun 8, 2017 12:23:57 GMT -8
Looking at U. of Indiana's policy- the only one that seems to be firmly in the no-felons camp - it seems the genesis for the policy came from a recent spat of active players (at other universities) involved in sexual assaults. It is not as if it were generated from scratch with solid social science research that indicated everyone covered in the policy was a risk to society. It seems like a political reaction to current events.
I'd really like the sportswriters to set aside their Pulitzer prize ambitions and hand this off to journalists that can talk coherently with psychologists and social workers about this topic and where it might take us.
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Post by joecool on Jun 8, 2017 12:28:03 GMT -8
John Manuel at Baseball America reported that several MLB teams already knew about this in doing their due diligence for next week's draft. If Luke had unexpectedly dropped in the draft, we would have all been banging on the Oregonian and other news outlets to find out why. I am guessing then we would have crushed the media for not reporting this sooner.
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Post by thewizard on Jun 8, 2017 12:30:27 GMT -8
Baseball America has decide to punish his accomplishments for this article released today. Editor’s Note: After a report surfaced in The Oregonian on Thursday morning that Oregon State pitcher Luke Heimlich pleaded guilty to sexually molesting a 6-year-old female family member when he was 15, Baseball America has decided to remove Heimlich from our All-America team. 2017 All-American Teams |
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Post by rafer on Jun 8, 2017 12:38:41 GMT -8
He very well may have turned his life around. This whole thread started with how awful the Oregonian was for publishing the article. They have the right to report this story and everyone can make of it what they want. Yes they surely do, what is ugly about this, not withstanding the issue at hand, is how this will likely unravel the whole team and this remarkable year will forever be know as a felonious team that won by using a sexual preditor as it's center piece. This could have come out after, or before, the season had played out and the rest of the team would not be held accountable and it could be dealt with without unintended consequences. You have to know that in many hearts, that will in fact be the case, i.e. Baylor, ucks, etal... As to timing, I don't buy the "Coincidence" theory, that's just bovine fecal matter, it was most certainly timed to inflict damage on the university, Pat Casey, and especially the BB team.. By the sound of many on here, he should be banished to a life of begging at intersections and be unemployable, that is more than a little troubling too good Christian soldiers... If he does pitch this weekend, doubtful, can you imagine what he is going to hear from many of you in the stands and what about Vandy, it'll be a circus hayday!! Bad deal all the way around..... |
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Post by joecool on Jun 8, 2017 12:44:56 GMT -8
it was most certainly timed to inflict damage on the university, Pat Casey, and especially the BB team.. Why? |
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Post by rafer on Jun 8, 2017 12:54:23 GMT -8
it was most certainly timed to inflict damage on the university, Pat Casey, and especially the BB team.. Why? Good question?? Who would benefit from it?? Have no idea. |
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