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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 5, 2017 22:38:11 GMT -8
I believe the ASU team that set the all-time winning percentage lost in the championship series -- so even if we don't set the record for winning percentage, if we top this season off with a title there's a very strong case to be made that we are the best team ever in college baseball. Lots left to do but it's certainly been a historic season that I don't think any of us expected haha. The Arizona State team that set the NCAA all-time winning percentage record was in the WAC. 25 of Arizona State's 70 games were against WAC teams. Another thing that should be remembered is that, in 1973, the NCAA started numbering divisions. Prior to that time, Division 1 teams could play as many Division 2 and 3 teams as they wanted and they would all count. Arizona State played 18 teams in 1972 that would wind up in Division 2, Division 3, or NAIA in 1973. Another five games were against Big Sky teams, including the two games against Weber State in the Mesa Regional to qualify for the College World Series. (That leaves 16 teams in the regular season with an actual pulse, Arizona State going 14-2.) In the College World Series, Arizona State started a perfect 4-0, 64-4. They matched up against 45-13-1 USC, and the Trojans beat the Sun Devils twice. 1982 Texas is second in winning percentage but lost in the College World Series semifinal to Wichita State. 1974 Arizona (WAC) is third but lost to Northern Colorado in the Greeley Regional. 1975 Texas won it all. If Oregon State finishes with two or three losses but still manages to win the title, Oregon State would be arguably the greatest NCAA baseball team ever. Greatest record wise.... |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 6, 2017 11:31:29 GMT -8
The Arizona State team that set the NCAA all-time winning percentage record was in the WAC. 25 of Arizona State's 70 games were against WAC teams. Another thing that should be remembered is that, in 1973, the NCAA started numbering divisions. Prior to that time, Division 1 teams could play as many Division 2 and 3 teams as they wanted and they would all count. Arizona State played 18 teams in 1972 that would wind up in Division 2, Division 3, or NAIA in 1973. Another five games were against Big Sky teams, including the two games against Weber State in the Mesa Regional to qualify for the College World Series. (That leaves 16 teams in the regular season with an actual pulse, Arizona State going 14-2.) In the College World Series, Arizona State started a perfect 4-0, 64-4. They matched up against 45-13-1 USC, and the Trojans beat the Sun Devils twice. 1982 Texas is second in winning percentage but lost in the College World Series semifinal to Wichita State. 1974 Arizona (WAC) is third but lost to Northern Colorado in the Greeley Regional. 1975 Texas won it all. If Oregon State finishes with two or three losses but still manages to win the title, Oregon State would be arguably the greatest NCAA baseball team ever. Greatest record wise.... If Oregon State goes 59-7 and wins a national championship, are you going to be a naysayer and say that the 2017 Beavers are not the greatest NCAA baseball team of all time? I sure as heck am not! Go Beavs!!!!!!! |
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Post by thewizard on Jun 6, 2017 11:57:02 GMT -8
If Oregon State's goes, total record, winning percentage, and all-time place: Corvallis Regional
0-2 49-6 .891 7th all-time
1-2 50-6 .893 6th all-time
2-2 51-6 .895 Tie 5th all-time
3-2 52-6 .897 5th all-time
Corvallis Super Regional 3-3 52-7 .881 9th all-time
4-3 53-7 .883 9th all-time
5-3 54-7 .885 8th all-time
3-2 52-6 .897 5th all-time 4-2 53-6 .898 5th all-time College World Series 5-4 54-8 .869 Tie 11th all-time
6-4 55-8 .873 Tie 10th all-time
7-4 56-8 .875 10th all-time
8-4 57-8 .877 10th all-time
9-4 58-8 .879 10th all-time
5-3 54-7 .885 8th all-time 6-3 55-7 .887 8th all-time 7-3 56-7 .889 Tie 7th all-time 8-3 57-7 .891 7th all-time 9-3 58-7 .892 Tie 6th all-time
5-2 54-6 .900 5th all-time 6-2 55-6 .902 5th all-time 7-2 56-6 .903 Tie 4th all-time 8-2 57-6 .905 4th all-time Championship Series 8-5 57-9 .864 Unranked
9-5 58-9 .866 Unranked
10-5 59-9 .868 Unranked
11-5 60-9 .870 Unranked
8-4 57-8 .877 10th all-time 9-4 58-8 .879 10th all-time 10-4 59-8 .881 Tie 9th all-time 11-4 60-8 .882 9th all-time
12-4 61-8 .884 Tie 8th all-time
8-3 57-7 .891 7th all-time 9-3 58-7 .892 Tie 6th all-time 10-3 59-7 .894 6th all-time 11-3 60-7 .896 5th all-time 12-3 61-7 .897 5th all-time
8-2 57-6 .905 4th all-time 9-2 58-6 .906 Tie 3rd all-time 10-2 59-6 .908 Tie 2nd all-time 11-2 60-6 .909 2nd all-time 12-2 61-6 .910 2nd all-time
10-1 59-5 .922 1st all-time 11-1 60-5 .923 1st all-time 10-0 59-4 .937 1st all-time With a sweep in the Corvallis Regional, Oregon State guarantees itself fewer than five postseason losses, clinching a top 10 all-time ranking. How come there is not a 5-0 in the Super Regional Section? We are currently 3-0 in the Postseason. After we win 2 against Vandy, that is 5-0 in the Postseason. I think you left out a few options... imho. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 6, 2017 12:07:25 GMT -8
If Oregon State's goes, total record, winning percentage, and all-time place: Corvallis Regional
0-2 49-6 .891 7th all-time
1-2 50-6 .893 6th all-time
2-2 51-6 .895 Tie 5th all-time
3-2 52-6 .897 5th all-time
Corvallis Super Regional 3-3 52-7 .881 9th all-time
4-3 53-7 .883 9th all-time
5-3 54-7 .885 8th all-time
3-2 52-6 .897 5th all-time 4-2 53-6 .898 5th all-time College World Series 5-4 54-8 .869 Tie 11th all-time
6-4 55-8 .873 Tie 10th all-time
7-4 56-8 .875 10th all-time
8-4 57-8 .877 10th all-time
9-4 58-8 .879 10th all-time
5-3 54-7 .885 8th all-time 6-3 55-7 .887 8th all-time 7-3 56-7 .889 Tie 7th all-time 8-3 57-7 .891 7th all-time 9-3 58-7 .892 Tie 6th all-time
5-2 54-6 .900 5th all-time 6-2 55-6 .902 5th all-time 7-2 56-6 .903 Tie 4th all-time 8-2 57-6 .905 4th all-time Championship Series 8-5 57-9 .864 Unranked
9-5 58-9 .866 Unranked
10-5 59-9 .868 Unranked
11-5 60-9 .870 Unranked
8-4 57-8 .877 10th all-time 9-4 58-8 .879 10th all-time 10-4 59-8 .881 Tie 9th all-time 11-4 60-8 .882 9th all-time
12-4 61-8 .884 Tie 8th all-time
8-3 57-7 .891 7th all-time 9-3 58-7 .892 Tie 6th all-time 10-3 59-7 .894 6th all-time 11-3 60-7 .896 5th all-time 12-3 61-7 .897 5th all-time
8-2 57-6 .905 4th all-time 9-2 58-6 .906 Tie 3rd all-time 10-2 59-6 .908 Tie 2nd all-time 11-2 60-6 .909 2nd all-time 12-2 61-6 .910 2nd all-time
10-1 59-5 .922 1st all-time 11-1 60-5 .923 1st all-time 10-0 59-4 .937 1st all-time With a sweep in the Corvallis Regional, Oregon State guarantees itself fewer than five postseason losses, clinching a top 10 all-time ranking. How come there is not a 5-0 in the Super Regional Section? We are currently 3-0 in the Postseason. After we win 2 against Vandy, that is 5-0 in the Postseason. I think you left out a few options... imho. I "left out" 5-0, because absent something weird, Oregon State cannot finish 5-0. If the Beavers start 5-0, they advance to the College World Series, where they could finish 8-3, 9-3, 10-3, 5-2, 6-2, 7-2, 8-2, 9-2, 10-2, 11-2, 10-1, 11-1, or 10-0. Right now, Oregon State can finish no worse than tenth all-time. If the Beavers start 5-0, Oregon State clinches finishing no worse than seventh all time. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 6, 2017 13:35:01 GMT -8
If Oregon State goes 59-7 and wins a national championship, are you going to be a naysayer and say that the 2017 Beavers are not the greatest NCAA baseball team of all time? I sure as heck am not! Go Beavs!!!!!!! Record wise... comparing actual "talent" from team to team is difficult as competition varies so much and impossible to measure. But, yes, records wise they are obviously the greatest. But, no where near the greatest "talent" wise. All you have to do is to have played against or look up some of the rosters on teams that necessarily did not have the "greatest" W/L record to see that this is a very good TEAM that has done EXTREMELY well with what it has and versus the competition faced. BUT, in now way is it the greatest team, that is typically a descriptor for the most talented teams ever... 116 win Mariners or '27 Yankees? IMHO this is a team playing as well as a TEAM as the '06/'07 teams did... but, player by player I would not rank it's "talent" better than those two clubs in just OSU history of baseball. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 6, 2017 13:48:27 GMT -8
If Oregon State goes 59-7 and wins a national championship, are you going to be a naysayer and say that the 2017 Beavers are not the greatest NCAA baseball team of all time? I sure as heck am not! Go Beavs!!!!!!! Record wise... comparing actual "talent" from team to team is difficult as competition varies so much and impossible to measure. But, yes, records wise they are obviously the greatest. But, no where near the greatest "talent" wise. All you have to do is to have played against or look up some of the rosters on teams that necessarily did not have the "greatest" W/L record to see that this is a very good TEAM that has done EXTREMELY well with what it has and versus the competition faced. BUT, in now way is it the greatest team, that is typically a descriptor for the most talented teams ever... 116 win Mariners or '27 Yankees? IMHO this is a team playing as well as a TEAM as the '06/'07 teams did... but, player by player I would not rank it's "talent" better than those two clubs in just OSU history of baseball. I think Heimlich is better than Buck or Nickerson. Thompson would be comparable to Buck on his own. Madrigal is probably better than Barney was. Who else was really all-that-dominant on those 2006-2007 teams? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 6, 2017 14:11:31 GMT -8
Record wise... comparing actual "talent" from team to team is difficult as competition varies so much and impossible to measure. But, yes, records wise they are obviously the greatest. But, no where near the greatest "talent" wise. All you have to do is to have played against or look up some of the rosters on teams that necessarily did not have the "greatest" W/L record to see that this is a very good TEAM that has done EXTREMELY well with what it has and versus the competition faced. BUT, in now way is it the greatest team, that is typically a descriptor for the most talented teams ever... 116 win Mariners or '27 Yankees? IMHO this is a team playing as well as a TEAM as the '06/'07 teams did... but, player by player I would not rank it's "talent" better than those two clubs in just OSU history of baseball. I think Heimlich is better than Buck or Nickerson. Thompson would be comparable to Buck on his own. Madrigal is probably better than Barney was. Who else was really all-that-dominant on those 2006-2007 teams? The teams were built very much alike with huge roles played by "bit players" who always came thru. BUT... people soon forget how talented that team was... used just 2006 to prove the point. Luke in no way can match what Jonah did... in fact would not even be called on to do so! Buck was a head case and basically a two pitch pitcher but was a gamer big time. Jake has had one good year and really 1 start in the post season... no comparison (so far) to Buck. Both Buck and Jonah with 13 W's... Stutes far better pitcher at 8-2 than Drew or Fehmel. Top that off with... where is this year's Gundy? Turpen? Paterson? Kunz?  ?? Nick gets lots of pub... but, Barney was far superior as a play maker. Nick's further along offensively, but there is a reason Caden is playing SS. But, Barney was still at .330/36 RBI Tyler Graham/John Wallace (.323/.326 totaled 39 RBIs as subs), Cole Gillespie (.374/13 HR/57 RBI), Bill Rowe (.341/6HR/56 RBI), Mitch (.299/7HR/54 RBI). Kunda (fantastic glove .271/2 HR/41 RBI), Shea McFeeley (.296/4HR/51 RBI). No comparison offensively... and 79-102 in SB... and 50-16 is no cream puff of a record... and I'll argue in a much tougher conference. I can make the same arguments... for 2007 but certainly not as strong as 2006 as far as talent. But still a team with 46 HRs, three pitchers with 10 or more wins, and 5 players with 40 or more RBIs (Lissman... very underrated/remembered... with 10 HR/61 RBIs). And of course a "decent" 49-18 also with a NC trophy. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 10, 2017 20:23:37 GMT -8
So where do we stand now?
The announcer said "best season up to this point in college baseball history", or something to that effect. Is that correct?
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 10, 2017 20:30:21 GMT -8
So where do we stand now? The announcer said "best season up to this point in college baseball history", or something to that effect. Is that correct? Record wise... now need to finish it. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 10, 2017 20:38:46 GMT -8
So where do we stand now? The announcer said "best season up to this point in college baseball history", or something to that effect. Is that correct? I believe the worst we can do % wise is 7th all time, with that 8-3 record in the post season. Of course, the worst we can do overall is 2 and out in the CWS which would leave us 5th all-time winning %. The first all-time numbers are still on the table, of course. |
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 10, 2017 22:35:48 GMT -8
 and the best we can do is finish 60-4 (but I can cope with 60-5)
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Post by nabeav on Jun 10, 2017 22:40:17 GMT -8
This team is the best defensive team I've ever seen. Pitching and hitting I would allow that the 05-07 or even the 13-14 teams could make a claim, but 1-9 I don't think any of them can touch this team. They're just so damn solid.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 10, 2017 23:00:59 GMT -8
So where do we stand now? The announcer said "best season up to this point in college baseball history", or something to that effect. Is that correct? It depends upon what he meant. I think he meant that, if the season ended right now, Oregon State would be the winningest team in NCAA history. However, 1972 Arizona State entered the 1972 College World Series with a record of 60-4. If 2017 Oregon State wins out, the Beavers still would not hit that record. 1982 Texas entered the 1982 College World Series 57-4. 1972 Arizona State is the winningest team in NCAA history and 1982 Texas is second. I believe that 2017 Oregon State enters the College World Series as the third-winningest team in College World Series history. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 10, 2017 23:29:15 GMT -8
This team is the best defensive team I've ever seen. Pitching and hitting I would allow that the 05-07 or even the 13-14 teams could make a claim, but 1-9 I don't think any of them can touch this team. They're just so damn solid. 2014 was the best fielding team in Oregon State history. 2007 Oregon State finished second in fielding in the country and was phenomenal. Among the teams mentioned, I would rate this team third of the six. This team is a better fielding team than the 2005, 2006, and 2013 teams. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 10, 2017 23:35:27 GMT -8
and the best we can do is finish 60-4 (but I can cope with 60-5) The best that Oregon State can finish is 59-4. The Beavers can win 60 (60-5 or 60-6), if they lose one of the first two games in Omaha and then rebound to win their side of the bracket. |
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and the best we can do is finish 60-4 