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Post by orangeattack on Jun 23, 2017 14:04:15 GMT -8
This is just excuse making and a loser's attitude. That is kind of like saying, the reason i am poor is because I work at Mcdonalds, and your out of touch baby boomer dad saying you just need to work more hours! Someday you'll make shift manager and get a $0.25/hr raise! No man, what I am saying is I gotta stay in school and get a new job! I gotta change something! It is not an excuse... it is the bitter punch of reality in the face. I also want to be clear about this... OSU has to do the work. not just CGA. I have banged this drum for 10 years now. Ask OA. The coach and program matters of course, but not nearly as much as the overall school. It is exactly why Oregon has a #7 class right now, from a coach that has never had a national ranked class over 58 (prior 69 and 70 and unranked...) and has recruited exactly 2 4* players in his entire career. That coach has 7 4* commits right now. A life time 60's ranked coach that averaged a 4 star player maybe every other year here at Oregon State currently has the #15 class in the nation with 6 4* recruits at Nebraska. You can't ignore that evidence. excuses? no, reality. Unless we suddenly drop Nick Saban in Corvallis, there are incredibly few coaches that are going to move the needle on recruiting alone. GA can have all the process he wants, but until Oregon State finishes a football stadium, decides to have grown up marketing, game day experiences, until we get apparel deals that appeal to young kids... until we can somehow create an identity for us that is unique and a brand kids want to associate with... we are not going to get there. And of course, CGA needs to win games. Even at Nike U, if they go 4-8 again this year, and 4-8 again... they will not survive that on the recruiting front. So yeah. I wish we could just say HEY Casey can do it! Rueck can do it! so can CGA. but NABEAV is right. huge difference in recruiting 85 players for a game 11 people play at a time and an easy 45 will rotate though. Different dynamic and expectations to build. Baseball has 11 shared scholarships for 35 slots. Basketball has something like 12 roster spots period....
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Post by blackbug on Jun 23, 2017 16:10:03 GMT -8
But we are never going to be a top 20 program. Ever. If we can sneak into that top 30-35, that's a mountain out of a molehill. But if we can get to that top 30, then an occasional run at double digit win seasons is possible. Alright now I'm going to go on my own atownbeaver style rant. Yes, this is gonna be about that former coach whose name triggers everyone so much around here. That statement above by lvbeaver is exactly what we had under the previous regime. That's what we were, and it wasn't good enough for anyone around here. During a season in which we won the second highest number of games in program history, people were calling for his firing with signs in the stands. So no, I'm not going to preach patience and baby steps. We did that for 15 years, and it wasn't good enough. GA was brought in to do better. Getting us back to competitive 8-4 seasons where we are on the outskirts of the top 25 is no longer the bar. That's where we were. We had some good years where we were one game away from the Rose Bowl, and we had some bad years (2013-14), but for the most part, we lived in that 8-4 sweet spot for a good 15 years. Nobody was happy there. It blows me away that it is only after a couple of 2-10/4-8 seasons that people are starting to realize that "we will never be Oregon or USC or Washington." Remember how furious everyone was with that contract that tacked on an extra year with every bowl performance? We extended the current coach after meeting the requisite number of wins for a bowl game too....only it took him two years to win them. The great tempering of expectations with our football program continues. We did not fire Riley to get something better. He left for something he felt was better. I am not angry at him, it is just the facts. The statement that we sought out Andersen to provide more than Riley is not true. When Riley left many were optimistic that Andersen presented an opportunity to improve as a program. This has not happened, at least yet. Andersen has been building the program and 2 seasons in so far has only proven that the program is now better than after he first took over. So after the building process the program could be at a better place, we just do not know yet. This year is very important in that building process. I am happy to continue the building process. Right now academics are better than they have ever been, recruiting is getting better all the time, the wins are coming more often, and the program has been virtually trouble free for a long time.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 23, 2017 16:48:50 GMT -8
"recruiting is getting better all the time,"
It is? Sure doesn't seem like it to me. And I love OSU academics, engineering graduate here. But face it, no one outside the school that touts that gives a damn. Wins. Pure and simple. That's what the mass sports public cares about.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jun 23, 2017 17:45:26 GMT -8
"recruiting is getting better all the time," It is? Sure doesn't seem like it to me. And I love OSU academics, engineering graduate here. But face it, no one outside the school that touts that gives a damn. Wins. Pure and simple. That's what the mass sports public cares about. I don't "see" it either. Is it just something folks WANT TO SEE? Sure. Wins AND facilities win the day. We NEED to upgrade Reser...NOW...Whether we fill it NOW or not. Facilities and WINS. I'd add bling-bling, but I hate it.....
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Post by blackbug on Jun 23, 2017 18:09:14 GMT -8
"recruiting is getting better all the time," It is? Sure doesn't seem like it to me. And I love OSU academics, engineering graduate here. But face it, no one outside the school that touts that gives a damn. Wins. Pure and simple. That's what the mass sports public cares about. This is the perception with anyone who follows it closely (i.e. Nemec, 247sports, Rivals, and Scout). I did not say it was dramatic such as all our 3 stars are now 4 stars. The 3 stars are slightly rated higher and we are getting more 4 stars and more competitive recruits lately. You do realize that the ucks "improvement" in recruiting this year from 2 years ago is very close to ours. The only comparison that can happen right now is the ranking per recruit. Anything else will eventually become false information.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jun 24, 2017 7:04:21 GMT -8
That is kind of like saying, the reason i am poor is because I work at Mcdonalds, and your out of touch baby boomer dad saying you just need to work more hours! Someday you'll make shift manager and get a $0.25/hr raise! No man, what I am saying is I gotta stay in school and get a new job! I gotta change something! It is not an excuse... it is the bitter punch of reality in the face. I also want to be clear about this... OSU has to do the work. not just CGA. I have banged this drum for 10 years now. Ask OA. The coach and program matters of course, but not nearly as much as the overall school. It is exactly why Oregon has a #7 class right now, from a coach that has never had a national ranked class over 58 (prior 69 and 70 and unranked...) and has recruited exactly 2 4* players in his entire career. That coach has 7 4* commits right now. A life time 60's ranked coach that averaged a 4 star player maybe every other year here at Oregon State currently has the #15 class in the nation with 6 4* recruits at Nebraska. You can't ignore that evidence. excuses? no, reality. Unless we suddenly drop Nick Saban in Corvallis, there are incredibly few coaches that are going to move the needle on recruiting alone. GA can have all the process he wants, but until Oregon State finishes a football stadium, decides to have grown up marketing, game day experiences, until we get apparel deals that appeal to young kids... until we can somehow create an identity for us that is unique and a brand kids want to associate with... we are not going to get there. And of course, CGA needs to win games. Even at Nike U, if they go 4-8 again this year, and 4-8 again... they will not survive that on the recruiting front. So yeah. I wish we could just say HEY Casey can do it! Rueck can do it! so can CGA. but NABEAV is right. huge difference in recruiting 85 players for a game 11 people play at a time and an easy 45 will rotate though. Different dynamic and expectations to build. Baseball has 11 shared scholarships for 35 slots. Basketball has something like 12 roster spots period.... Hahaha that's perfect. Atown certainly cleared the bases with that rant.
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Post by beavsaregood on Jun 24, 2017 19:20:41 GMT -8
Are we gonna get our LDS Mission players from CGA's first class on no? There were two. One was a DL and the other was a highly recruited MLB named, Christian Folau.
Or did we lose them to the Y?
I am reserving judgement on CGA's class this year until everyone is signed.
I mean CGA is definitely going hard. He has too. He needs to snag a few four stars at (as said earlier) meaningful positions. DT, DE, MLB, OL, and QB. He's identifying talent. But, like Djibril, once an SC, ND, Bama, etc. offers him, he'll decommit from the Beavs.........but, he'll definitely keep the Beavs in his list though out of respect of getting his first D1A offer/enthusiasm from CGA and staff. Come money time, though, he commits and signs at the big name school. Most of the time that happens. Just like when Riley was here. CGA needs to keep plugging away and he'll get one or two or four 4* type of guys that want to be part of CGA's "process." As long as CGA doesn't overdo it with OLs and DLs, I'm OK with JC transfers.
I don't know. I just want to see if CGA can compete with the likes of Utah, CO, CAL, and AZ for talent. I would be happy if CGA doesn't take any flyers and gets all three star players with a sprinkling of 4 stars. If I'm not mistaken, Utah is building a great class right now. CGA is doing OK so far. I just don't want him to recruit Mountain West style when we're in the Pac-12 is all. He knows best, though. So, I'm curious if CGA and staff can develop their recruits. Really, really curious.
We'll find out in the next couple of years. To me, the bottom line is that he needs to win. He really needs to win. Of course there is marketing of the school and football program. I think we need to win. So, it's going to come down to coaching and recruiting. CGA needs to win.
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Post by beavsaregood on Jun 24, 2017 20:13:27 GMT -8
Are we gonna get our LDS Mission players from CGA's first class on no? There were two. One was a DL and the other was a highly recruited MLB named, Christian Folau. Or did we lose them to the Y? I am reserving judgement on CGA's class this year until everyone is signed. I mean CGA is definitely going hard. He has too. He needs to snag a few four stars at (as said earlier) meaningful positions. DT, DE, MLB, OL, and QB. He's identifying talent. But, like Djibril, once an SC, ND, Bama, etc. offers him, he'll decommit from the Beavs.........but, he'll definitely keep the Beavs in his list though out of respect of getting his first D1A offer/enthusiasm from CGA and staff. Come money time, though, he commits and signs at the big name school. Most of the time that happens. Just like when Riley was here. CGA needs to keep plugging away and he'll get one or two or four 4* type of guys that want to be part of CGA's "process." As long as CGA doesn't overdo it with OLs and DLs, I'm OK with JC transfers. I don't know. I just want to see if CGA can compete with the likes of Utah, CO, CAL, and AZ for talent. I would be happy if CGA doesn't take any flyers and gets all three star players with a sprinkling of 4 stars. If I'm not mistaken, Utah is building a great class right now. CGA is doing OK so far. I just don't want him to recruit Mountain West style when we're in the Pac-12 is all. He knows best, though. So, I'm curious if CGA and staff can develop their recruits. Really, really curious. We'll find out in the next couple of years. To me, the bottom line is that he needs to win. He really needs to win. Of course there is marketing of the school and football program. I think we need to win. So, it's going to come down to coaching and recruiting. CGA needs to win. Okay. Utah has only 3 recruits. But, 2 of the 3 are 4 star guys. Their QB, Tuttle, looks like an all world QB. Surely, the Beavs can hang and recruit with the likes of Wazzu, Utah, CO, UA, and CAL........right now? Or, no? I checked Wazzu and they got a 4 star QB. He's got offers from SEC schools like Tenn and UGA. ..............we have a 4 star QB, too, right? The kid from Marin Catholic.
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Post by gzrbvr on Jun 25, 2017 7:17:04 GMT -8
Are we gonna get our LDS Mission players from CGA's first class on no? There were two. One was a DL and the other was a highly recruited MLB named, Christian Folau. Or did we lose them to the Y? I am reserving judgement on CGA's class this year until everyone is signed. I mean CGA is definitely going hard. He has too. He needs to snag a few four stars at (as said earlier) meaningful positions. DT, DE, MLB, OL, and QB. He's identifying talent. But, like Djibril, once an SC, ND, Bama, etc. offers him, he'll decommit from the Beavs.........but, he'll definitely keep the Beavs in his list though out of respect of getting his first D1A offer/enthusiasm from CGA and staff. Come money time, though, he commits and signs at the big name school. Most of the time that happens. Just like when Riley was here. CGA needs to keep plugging away and he'll get one or two or four 4* type of guys that want to be part of CGA's "process." As long as CGA doesn't overdo it with OLs and DLs, I'm OK with JC transfers. I don't know. I just want to see if CGA can compete with the likes of Utah, CO, CAL, and AZ for talent. I would be happy if CGA doesn't take any flyers and gets all three star players with a sprinkling of 4 stars. If I'm not mistaken, Utah is building a great class right now. CGA is doing OK so far. I just don't want him to recruit Mountain West style when we're in the Pac-12 is all. He knows best, though. So, I'm curious if CGA and staff can develop their recruits. Really, really curious. We'll find out in the next couple of years. To me, the bottom line is that he needs to win. He really needs to win. Of course there is marketing of the school and football program. I think we need to win. So, it's going to come down to coaching and recruiting. CGA needs to win. Heh, heh, he said "come money time"
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Post by beavsaregood on Dec 20, 2017 0:12:09 GMT -8
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Post by beavsaregood on Dec 20, 2017 1:21:27 GMT -8
so, about 10-12, tomorrow?
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Post by woodrow7525 on Dec 20, 2017 11:26:32 GMT -8
Former "early commit" (last summer) Halid Djibril (who visited OSU last weekend along with speedy 3* WR verbal commit Jesiah Irish) will be choosing tomorrow between OSU and Wazzu. Halid's twitter page says he committed to WSU but the signing day special just had CJS talking about Halid being a huge addition to the program...odd.
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Post by woodrow7525 on Dec 20, 2017 12:39:11 GMT -8
Halid's twitter page says he committed to WSU but the signing day special just had CJS talking about Halid being a huge addition to the program...odd. Baddddd error to have "pre-recorded segments" as lead-in segues naming specific players who had not already signed. Someone really dropped the ball in the video production department. Combine that with the host asking about a recruit who hadn't yet signed (asked the new WR coach, I didn't hear which recruit he asked about) and you have a bad look for the production team.
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Post by Aspira-beav on Dec 20, 2017 12:47:06 GMT -8
I dont think we got this guy. O live did a article saying he committed to wsu
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