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Post by blackbug on May 1, 2017 15:10:42 GMT -8
Very, Very Close Codyd70... Gundy, Jonah, Maxwell and Buck I said to myself Gunderson, Nickerson, Alaskan player, and Buck. I did not post because I could not remember Maxwell's name. I am always accurate after the answer is revealed  . |
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Post by codyd70 on May 1, 2017 15:29:27 GMT -8
David Berg had a .198 BA against in 2013 the year he won Pac 12 pitcher of the year, was named NCBWA stopper of the year and the bruins won the national title. Guess he must have been very very hittable since his BA against was higher than Jake's Really... you're going to compare Berg to Jake. Comparing guys who have been there done that over a career to a player 38/19.1 innings into his career is a little ridiculous. There are some former SI cover boys who'd love you. You should have stopped when you thought you were ahead. I get you "live" off your stats. But, stats do not come close to telling the whole picture. I get you love Jake's work... as IO said he has far exceeded expectations. However, the outlier was Jake's start to his career. As mentioned before, he'll trend back to the norm, as his stats have in Pac12 play. It's not a slam against him it's the way it is. But, back to the thread... Fehmel has struggled, but because he is not a strike out guy (13 walks/4 HBP vs 22 K's in 57 IP) free passes and E's are a much bigger factor in his decisions. Although not bad for a guy good enough to beat out all the heralded Frosh and other returners even though he was playing 3B until last Fall. I picked berg to show how reficulous your hittable comment is. Berg who is arguably one of the most lights out closers ever in the pac 12 in his best season was hit more frequently than a guy you call very hittable. That season Bergs BA against in pac 12 play was .215 |
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Post by baseba1111 on May 1, 2017 15:45:08 GMT -8
Really... you're going to compare Berg to Jake. Comparing guys who have been there done that over a career to a player 38/19.1 innings into his career is a little ridiculous. There are some former SI cover boys who'd love you. You should have stopped when you thought you were ahead. I get you "live" off your stats. But, stats do not come close to telling the whole picture. I get you love Jake's work... as IO said he has far exceeded expectations. However, the outlier was Jake's start to his career. As mentioned before, he'll trend back to the norm, as his stats have in Pac12 play. It's not a slam against him it's the way it is. But, back to the thread... Fehmel has struggled, but because he is not a strike out guy (13 walks/4 HBP vs 22 K's in 57 IP) free passes and E's are a much bigger factor in his decisions. Although not bad for a guy good enough to beat out all the heralded Frosh and other returners even though he was playing 3B until last Fall. I picked berg to show how reficulous your hittable comment is. Berg who is arguably one of the most lights out closers ever in the pac 12 in his best season was hit more frequently than a guy you call very hittable. That season Bergs BA against in pac 12 play was .215 Cody... I'll waste my "breath" on you one last time... READ!!! THE LAST 3 SERIES JAKE IS EXTREMELY HITTABLE IN COMPARISON TO HIS START @ .280 K TO BB RATIO DOWN ERA 4.91 IN THE LAST THREE SERIES HE HAS NOT BEEN LIGHTS OUT... HE'S TRENDING TO THE NORM FOR COLLEGE PITCHER. |
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Post by blackbug on May 1, 2017 15:59:44 GMT -8
I picked berg to show how reficulous your hittable comment is. Berg who is arguably one of the most lights out closers ever in the pac 12 in his best season was hit more frequently than a guy you call very hittable. That season Bergs BA against in pac 12 play was .215 Cody... I'll waste my "breath" in you one last time... READ!!! THE LAST 3 SERIES JAKE IS EXTREMELY HITTABLE IN COMPARISON TO HIS START @ .280 K TO BB RATIO DOWN ERA 4.91 IN THE LAST THREE SERIES HE HAS NOT BEEN LIGHTS OUT... HE'S TRENDING TO THE NORM FOR COLLEGE PITCHER. I would not waste my breath in Cody if I were you. Sounds kind of gross. He is not a CPR mannequin or anything like that. I kid, sorry could not help myself. |
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Post by baseba1111 on May 1, 2017 16:08:27 GMT -8
Cody... I'll waste my "breath" in you one last time... READ!!! THE LAST 3 SERIES JAKE IS EXTREMELY HITTABLE IN COMPARISON TO HIS START @ .280 K TO BB RATIO DOWN ERA 4.91 IN THE LAST THREE SERIES HE HAS NOT BEEN LIGHTS OUT... HE'S TRENDING TO THE NORM FOR COLLEGE PITCHER. I would not waste my breath in Cody if I were you. Sounds kind of gross. He is not a CPR mannequin or anything like that. I kid, sorry could not help myself. Love the humor... sarcasm and innuendo are always appreciated! |
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Post by codyd70 on May 1, 2017 22:43:29 GMT -8
I picked berg to show how reficulous your hittable comment is. Berg who is arguably one of the most lights out closers ever in the pac 12 in his best season was hit more frequently than a guy you call very hittable. That season Bergs BA against in pac 12 play was .215 Cody... I'll waste my "breath" on you one last time... READ!!! THE LAST 3 SERIES JAKE IS EXTREMELY HITTABLE IN COMPARISON TO HIS START @ .280 K TO BB RATIO DOWN ERA 4.91 IN THE LAST THREE SERIES HE HAS NOT BEEN LIGHTS OUT... HE'S TRENDING TO THE NORM FOR COLLEGE PITCHER. Guess you missed the part where it was pointed out that almost all of your argument for the last 3 series came from one appearance. Take out the one appearance against USC and he gave up .80 hits per inning in the last 3 series. In Berg's best season he gave up .71 hits per inning. Again your very hittable comment is rediculous. |
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Post by obf on May 2, 2017 7:45:21 GMT -8
Cody... I'll waste my "breath" on you one last time... READ!!! THE LAST 3 SERIES JAKE IS EXTREMELY HITTABLE IN COMPARISON TO HIS START @ .280 K TO BB RATIO DOWN ERA 4.91 IN THE LAST THREE SERIES HE HAS NOT BEEN LIGHTS OUT... HE'S TRENDING TO THE NORM FOR COLLEGE PITCHER. Guess you missed the part where it was pointed out that almost all of your argument for the last 3 series came from one appearance. Take out the one appearance against USC and he gave up .80 hits per inning in the last 3 series. In Berg's best season he gave up .71 hits per inning. Again your very hittable comment is rediculous. I am certainly not part of the "Triad" that will back/agree with Baseba1111 at every turn (what a strange and ridiculous assertion that was in the first place, smh), but I have to side with him on this one. Jake was incredibly, shockingly, fantastically white hot to begin the year and it lasted a LONG time, but we all knew it was an impossible standard to be held to. He is a freshman and has never been used as a reliever before (check me on that) it is not unusual at all for him to be experiencing some fatigue or a bit of a down turn. Objectively his stuff is a little slower and a little mushier the last three series, objectively meaning measurably, with a radar gun and amount of break and bite on the offspeed stuff, Parker has even mentioned it on the radio. The stats also reflect this, he is no longer striking out the side in 10-12 pitches, or carrying a double digit scoreless inning streak. Plus subjectively you can just see it, out there on the mound he looks uncomfortable, Casey is clearly treating him with kid gloves right now, and his confidence seems to be dinged as his FB velocity dips. All that to say, Jake is still a great pitcher, and with a bit of rest I am sure he will be back to mostly (minus the luck fueled streak) where he was to begin the year. I still expect him to be in the thick of things for the rest of the year, and I still feel confident that he will get the job done when he is put on the mound. What we REALLY need is a series sweep where all the games are laughers so we can have a restful weekend for ALL the players. I think the stress of constantly pitching and hitting in tight situations is starting to wear on the boys. As far as the comparison to Berg... Not sure why or when that even came up... Apples to Oranges, IMHO. But over the course of his 2013 I am sure he had a stretch of games where he was more hittable as well. In fact IIRC didn't we hit him pretty well??? |
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Post by obf on May 2, 2017 9:04:58 GMT -8
As an aside... While looking at Dave Berg Stats... he was always a reliever, but racked up a ton of innings... And here I thought we had overused Eisert and Jake a bit... However 38 (Jake) and 23 (Eisert) innings doesn't seem like that much... How many innings approx. does a high level HS Senior pile up in a year?
I know that HS innings don't really compare to D1 Pac-12 innings, just curious.
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Post by ochobeavo on May 2, 2017 9:23:55 GMT -8
As an aside... While looking at Dave Berg Stats... he was always a reliever, but racked up a ton of innings... And here I thought we had overused Eisert and Jake a bit... However 38 (Jake) and 23 (Eisert) innings doesn't seem like that much... How many innings approx. does a high level HS Senior pile up in a year? I know that HS innings don't really compare to D1 Pac-12 innings, just curious. Here's what a few of them show as innings pitched in HS. Of course legion ball could add a ton more innings so HS stats don't come close to telling the whole story, but here's what I found: Mulholland- SR: 33 IP JR: 63 IP Gambrell - SR 65 IP JR: 45 IP Verburg - Don't have SR year. JR: 74 IP, SO: 62 IP Thompson - SR 63 IP JR: 52 IP Rass - SR: 85 IP JR: 59 IP |
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Post by obf on May 2, 2017 9:42:33 GMT -8
Thanks Ocho! Interesting that Jake pitched less last year than this year so far (not counting legion, which would have started later anyways...), incidental that this recent drop in effectiveness was right around the same time his Inning count went past what he did as a senior???
Was he a reliever in HS? Did he get injured last year?
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Post by ochobeavo on May 2, 2017 10:12:12 GMT -8
Thanks Ocho! Interesting that Jake pitched less last year than this year so far (not counting legion, which would have started later anyways...), incidental that this recent drop in effectiveness was right around the same time his Inning count went past what he did as a senior??? Was he a reliever in HS? Did he get injured last year? Yeah, I caught that too. Coincidence? Pac-12 level play? Don't know.. But he missed the start of the season (in terms of pitching only) as he was recovering from a fracture in his arm, sounds like it was just precautionary. He did play 1B. |
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