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Mar 29, 2017 16:47:17 GMT -8
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Post by rafer on Mar 29, 2017 16:47:17 GMT -8
In defense of my response, and to expound upon it, I am not saying that Madrigal can't or won't surpass what Barney has done, but Barney and Canham were LEADERS on those teams, and "we" have had very few of those since. You can have Logan Ice or Andrew Susac as your catcher, I will take Canham. You can have Madrigal as your SS, (his future position is 2B) and I will take Barney (who IS a 2B). Me saying 'not until he wins 2 NC's' is a two-fold. First being CHAMPIONSHIPS/OMAHA matter, and second being that LEADERSHIP matters. If Madrigal, or others, lead this team to 3 consecutive trips to the elite 8, and Casey mentions Madrigal, or others, as the team leader over and over again, then I have no problem placing him up on high with the others that did it. |
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Post by rafer on Mar 29, 2017 16:49:17 GMT -8
I feel your pain with Brooks, can ball great, cannot stand his arrogance and attitude on the court, no, I wouldn't if he was a Beavs either!! Oh well.....
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 29, 2017 17:03:22 GMT -8
In defense of my response, and to expound upon it, I am not saying that Madrigal can't or won't surpass what Barney has done, but Barney and Canham were LEADERS on those teams, and "we" have had very few of those since. You can have Logan Ice or Andrew Susac as your catcher, I will take Canham. You can have Madrigal as your SS, (his future position is 2B) and I will take Barney (who IS a 2B). Me saying 'not until he wins 2 NC's' is a two-fold. First being CHAMPIONSHIPS/OMAHA matter, and second being that LEADERSHIP matters. If Madrigal, or others, lead this team to 3 consecutive trips to the elite 8, and Casey mentions Madrigal, or others, as the team leader over and over again, then I have no problem placing him up on high with the others that did it. Sorry... it's just my pet peeve is comparisons of already/no brainer/career is well established or closer to complete with youngsters just getting started. There have been untold number of great "beginnings/can't miss superstars in the making" in every sport that... missed badly or flamed out before they ever achieved "great". It's a message board,I say it all the time, butn it's a huge pet peeve of mine. Players just need to be allowed their own careers. It truly doesn't matter who's better than who... at what point in time. Anyway, let's just end with, all the guys mentioned are damn good in their own way over the span they've played so far! Can't be any debate over that. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 30, 2017 6:19:50 GMT -8
In defense of my response, and to expound upon it, I am not saying that Madrigal can't or won't surpass what Barney has done, but Barney and Canham were LEADERS on those teams, and "we" have had very few of those since. You can have Logan Ice or Andrew Susac as your catcher, I will take Canham. You can have Madrigal as your SS, (his future position is 2B) and I will take Barney (who IS a 2B). Me saying 'not until he wins 2 NC's' is a two-fold. First being CHAMPIONSHIPS/OMAHA matter, and second being that LEADERSHIP matters. If Madrigal, or others, lead this team to 3 consecutive trips to the elite 8, and Casey mentions Madrigal, or others, as the team leader over and over again, then I have no problem placing him up on high with the others that did it. Sorry... it's just my pet peeve is comparisons of already/no brainer/career is well established or closer to complete with youngsters just getting started. There have been untold number of great "beginnings/can't miss superstars in the making" in every sport that... missed badly or flamed out before they ever achieved "great". It's a message board,I say it all the time, butn it's a huge pet peeve of mine. Players just need to be allowed their own careers. It truly doesn't matter who's better than who... at what point in time. Anyway, let's just end with, all the guys mentioned are damn good in their own way over the span they've played so far! Can't be any debate over that. Oh man, now I have some great ammo. One of these days I might just poke you in the eye with something like - hey, does anyone else think Fehmel is looking a lot like Greg Maddux, but with EVEN BETTER control?  |
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Post by nabeav on Mar 30, 2017 7:24:02 GMT -8
I've always thought KJ Harrison had a little Albert Pujols in him, only with more power.
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 30, 2017 8:14:27 GMT -8
I've always thought KJ Harrison had a little Albert Pujols in him, only with more power. Grenier is a more durable Cal Ripken.... okay, I'll stop now. |
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Mar 30, 2017 9:10:42 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 30, 2017 9:10:42 GMT -8
I've always thought KJ Harrison had a little Albert Pujols in him, only with more power. Grenier is a more durable Cal Ripken.... okay, I'll stop now. Would that make PC a taller, bit more calm (most of the time) Earl Weaver? |
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Post by blueheron on Mar 30, 2017 10:23:58 GMT -8
True that... but, also no lovely turf at any venue! when I scanned back thru the stats this morning I too noticed Barney's error numbers. Just goes to show that moving to a great infield surface,and to 2B, and no doubt working his tail off in the minors, makes a Gold Glove a bit more obtainable. Also noticed that Kunda (granted at 3B) had some pretty darn respectable fielding #s. This pretty much invalidates anything you have to say about Beaver baseball history hahahah! |
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