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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 27, 2017 0:04:59 GMT -8
Wasn't it Robinson that booted some of our bigger ex players out of the building during practice, or was that John? I remember there was a change in relations with ex players during one of the coaching changes, thought it was more recent.
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Post by blackbug on Feb 27, 2017 23:29:19 GMT -8
I think McLaughlin decommitted right after Robinson was fired and then recommitted later, after committing to WA. Payton was a Robinson recruit as much as Tinkle son and Thompson's son's are Tinkle recruits. The point is not that Robinson was a better coach, they are both terrible. Robinson was the better recruiter. Like I said I hope I am wrong, but I really doubt it... Not sure how you qualify that Robinson was a better recruiter than Tinkle. Maybe you feel that he had a better eye for seeing athletes, which I might agree with, but I do not think you could quantify this in any way. I also think that Robinson was a good recruiter, but not better than Tinkle. 1st off recruiting sons is not a sure thing. If you are a lousy father/recruiter then you have a lot of time to lose the son as a recruit. If we were to measure this using recruiting sight data (Scout is the one I chose) then Tinkle's recruits average 3.5 stars without the son connection and 3.6 with it. Robinson averaged 3.1 stars. Without the son connection Tinkle has 3 top 100 recruits and 6 with it, Robinson had 2 top 100 recruits. Robinson had 6 classes. Tinkle has 2 full classes, a 3rd probably half full, and a 4th that is just started. I left out the recruits that the service did not rank, but there was 1 about every other year for both. Robinson had slightly better results with recruits not ranked in my opinion. The one place I thought Robinson would be better was in recruiting depth. One of Tinkles MOs has been to leave a scholarship or 2 or more open with defections or if the desired recruits were not obtained. Because of this I figured Robinson would have better numbers in recruits per year. They both basically average 4 recruits per year so far. In reviewing this I honestly found the only clear strength for Robinson over Tinkle would be in retaining recruits, which actually has very little to do with recruiting and everything to do with treatment of players. Although, Tinkle lost 2 players to academics (not sure there was much he could do), 1 player to medical issues (nothing to be done), a player to unknown personal issues (not sure much could have been done), and the final player to team rules or some drug issues (not sure much could be done). Robinson lost 3 players while here. Over half of Tinkle's lost players were Robinson recruits, for what it is worth.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 28, 2017 7:53:39 GMT -8
Another little point. How do people feel Robinson would have done with the team Tinkle inherited? Robinson lost 5 starters and his top 5 scorers (I think those are the numbers) BEFORE he was fired. Who Tinkle inherited was essentially who he would have inherited if he had stayed. I'm pretty sure he lost Halice Cooke before being canned, assuming academics and medical issues would have remained the same do people really think Robinson really would have pulled some miraculous recruiting moves and picked up better players than Tinkle has and "solved" this year's issues? Try to remember, this year we should have had Robinson's last two recruiting classes on the team and playing, we had an injured N'Daiye and that was it. Whose responsibility was that? There were holes coming into this season that were at least partially the result of Robinson's last couple years of recruiting.
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Post by greshambeaver on Feb 28, 2017 13:05:13 GMT -8
Actually think Robinson would have done pretty much the same with Payton II on the team. I think he more or less willed that team to success. I do think Tinkle had a lot more energy and focus for some reason the first two years than he does now, but then I think the same thing of Robinson. It seemed to me that CR started losing his energy and sharpness when he stopped the 5 AM practices. I am sure the players didn't like them, but they seemed focused and played hard during that time. Maybe he should have changed that to 7 or 8 and continued them. Either way Robinson seemed to be just going through the motions his last couple of years and I see Tinkle doing the same thing. Neither coach seems or seemed to have the "TEAM" ready to play the game and that's what makes them both poor coaches. I just don't get why the Beavs cannot recruit a decent coach, we have not had one for years. With the history and the fact that it's a PAC 12 school should get us some better candidates. I think Hallice Cook saw the writing on the wall after he got here and decided to go somewhere where he could win...
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 2, 2017 14:53:15 GMT -8
I think McLaughlin decommitted right after Robinson was fired and then recommitted later, after committing to WA. Payton was a Robinson recruit as much as Tinkle son and Thompson's son's are Tinkle recruits. The point is not that Robinson was a better coach, they are both terrible. Robinson was the better recruiter. Like I said I hope I am wrong, but I really doubt it... Not sure how you qualify that Robinson was a better recruiter than Tinkle. Maybe you feel that he had a better eye for seeing athletes, which I might agree with, but I do not think you could quantify this in any way. I also think that Robinson was a good recruiter, but not better than Tinkle. 1st off recruiting sons is not a sure thing. If you are a lousy father/recruiter then you have a lot of time to lose the son as a recruit. True but you have the advantage of being able to sleep with their Mothers.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 2, 2017 15:03:03 GMT -8
True but you have the advantage of being able to sleep with their Mothers. Didn't u of o pay a guy to do that for their football team a few years back?
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