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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 24, 2017 22:28:11 GMT -8
We lost. No one gives a hoot in hell. On the other hand.....The LADIES beat 'furd in a PACKED Gill! My eldest son and two of my grands were there! Said the old palace was A-ROCKIN"!!! ****Note to WT, the AD(department) and the men's team**** It CAN be done in Corvallis. You just gotta BELIEVE.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 24, 2017 23:46:46 GMT -8
We lost. No one gives a hoot in hell. On the other hand.....The LADIES beat 'furd in a PACKED Gill! My eldest son and two of my grands were there! Said the old palace was A-ROCKIN"!!! ****Note to WT, the AD(department) and the men's team**** It CAN be done in Corvallis. You just gotta BELIEVE. You have to recruit and coach! Rueck and company do more than believe... Just saying.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 25, 2017 1:35:25 GMT -8
Rueck had a pretty crummy 3rd year record with the women's team. I guess it is possible to bounce back.
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Post by zeroposter on Feb 25, 2017 9:39:59 GMT -8
Rueck had a pretty crummy 3rd year record with the women's team. I guess it is possible to bounce back. It was actually just 2 years and a month or so ago that there was a long thread on the PO board about Rueck not getting over the hump. Beaver Ray told all the negative Nellies to take a hike. Beavers began the great run to finish the season shortly after.
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Post by bill82 on Feb 25, 2017 10:24:24 GMT -8
Rueck had a pretty crummy 3rd year record with the women's team. I guess it is possible to bounce back. They won four conference games that down year. Lost 8 conference games by 5 points or less. Three losses in OT. Average margin of defeat 10.7 points. Men's team this year has won one conference game. All losses by more than 5 points. Average margin of defeat 16 points. Rueck's starting guard was freshman Jamie Weisner. Tinkle has Jr. Ronnie Stacy. Seems like a slightly different trajectory. But point well taken.
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Post by greshambeaver on Feb 25, 2017 15:02:30 GMT -8
Rueck inherited a freaking shipwreck! Tinkle didn't. Robinson, JJ and Tinkle are and were all poor head coaches. At least Robinson had recruited a few players. We have had one decent coach in the last 25 years Eddie Payne and we ran him out, because we expected too much too fast, but that was early on in the replace RM period. This team is miserable! Unwatchable!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 25, 2017 15:45:56 GMT -8
Rueck inherited a freaking shipwreck! Tinkle didn't. Robinson, JJ and Tinkle are and were all poor head coaches. At least Robinson had recruited a few players. We have had one decent coach in the last 25 years Eddie Payne and we ran him out, because we expected too much too fast, but that was early on in the replace RM period. This team is miserable! Unwatchable! There should be two to three classes of Robinson recruited starters on this team right now. Where are they?
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 25, 2017 18:23:30 GMT -8
We lost. No one gives a hoot in hell. On the other hand.....The LADIES beat 'furd in a PACKED Gill! My eldest son and two of my grands were there! Said the old palace was A-ROCKIN"!!! ****Note to WT, the AD(department) and the men's team**** It CAN be done in Corvallis. You just gotta BELIEVE. You have to recruit and coach! Rueck and company do more than believe... Just saying. Yep. But, first....you just gotta BELIEVE!
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Post by greshambeaver on Feb 25, 2017 20:36:47 GMT -8
Robinson had more time, but who the hell has Tinkle recruited since he got here besides the two sons of the coaches? McLaughlin was a Robinson recruit as was Duvivier if he comes back. Payton II was a Robinson recruit, as was Hallice Cook although he left most likely because of Robinson. He also recruited, Collier, Cunningham, Moreland, Brandt, Nelson, Morris Walker and Gomis I believe, as well as a couple of others were solid players. So while only Duvivier may still remain that is a good list of capable players. He was not a good basketball coach, not active enough and I thought he was trying to be too much of a friend instead of being a coach. Still out recruited WT by a bunch...
We have not had a good basketball strategist at OSU as Head Coach in the last 25 years a least. I don't know what they should do, but it is getting very frustrating for a school that ran second to UCLA for nearly 2 decades and had a great basketball history even before that. From what I have seen on the floor, (and I hope I am proved wrong) Tinkle ain't that guy either...
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Post by orangeexpress on Feb 25, 2017 23:04:45 GMT -8
Rueck inherited a freaking shipwreck! Tinkle didn't. Robinson, JJ and Tinkle are and were all poor head coaches. At least Robinson had recruited a few players. We have had one decent coach in the last 25 years Eddie Payne and we ran him out, because we expected too much too fast, but that was early on in the replace RM period. This team is miserable! Unwatchable! I liked Eddie, and believe he was a decent coach, but let's pump the brakes a bit on him being run out too fast. He spent 5 years in Corvallis and never finished better than 7th in conference (out of 10), never won more than 13 games in a season, and was downright awful on the road (9 total road wins in 5 years). He had some bad luck with an inability to retain his initial group of talented assistant coaches and retain the top-20 freshmen class he recruited his second year, but how many more years should he have stayed onboard with that resume? Some people are ready to cut ties with our current coach after 3 years in Corvallis, and his first two were better than any that Eddie produced.
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Post by blackbug on Feb 25, 2017 23:57:09 GMT -8
Robinson had more time, but who the hell has Tinkle recruited since he got here besides the two sons of the coaches? McLaughlin was a Robinson recruit as was Duvivier if he comes back. Payton II was a Robinson recruit, as was Hallice Cook although he left most likely because of Robinson. He also recruited, Collier, Cunningham, Moreland, Brandt, Nelson, Morris Walker and Gomis I believe, as well as a couple of others were solid players. So while only Duvivier may still remain that is a good list of capable players. He was not a good basketball coach, not active enough and I thought he was trying to be too much of a friend instead of being a coach. Still out recruited WT by a bunch... We have not had a good basketball strategist at OSU as Head Coach in the last 25 years a least. I don't know what they should do, but it is getting very frustrating for a school that ran second to UCLA for nearly 2 decades and had a great basketball history even before that. From what I have seen on the floor, (and I hope I am proved wrong) Tinkle ain't that guy either... Not sure how you qualify McLaughlin as a Robinson recruit. Robinson was not the coach here when he signed. He committed and then decommitted while Robinson was the coach. When Tinkle came on McLaughlin was committed to Washington. I may be off some on the details, but that is what I remember. If you take out the son connection then Tinkle still has several legitimate D1 recruits in my opinion, although probably not quite enough which has led to the depth problems. I think that Eubanks and McLaughlin are good quality. I also think that Rakocevic, Manuel and Kone deserve their spots on the roster. Add in the 2 sons that gives us 7 on the roster that can compete in the Pac 12. Obviously, these 7 are not as good as the first 7 on other rosters in the league. But it seems to me that the next 6 in depth is the most glaring weakness as others teams are much deeper and can deal with bad games and players not living up to their potential. Now into the future, I feel like Reichle coming in next year is another legitimate recruit who will provide much needed depth and Jack Thompson for the 2018 is another top 100 recruit. This pushed Tinkle to 7 quality recruits so far not counting the sons. 13 are allowed on scholarship, so we probably need more for depth especially with injuries. So if depth is the biggest problem on this team Robinson's last class is actually probably the biggest issue. The only one Tinkle was able to keep was Gary Payton II, technically Tinkle kept Chai Baker who had to medically retire before touching the court. Cameron Oliver and Isaiah Manderson would have provided much needed court presence for this current team, as well as Chai Baker. Losing 3 out of 4 quality players that year is something Tinkle has not been able to overcome, without a redshirt year these players would be juniors and leaders on this team.
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Post by beaver94 on Feb 26, 2017 1:24:47 GMT -8
I can't remember much about Payton II's recruitment. I know I've read several times here that he was a Robinson recruit, but how much of that was Robinson recruiting him versus him choosing to go play where dad played?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 26, 2017 10:33:07 GMT -8
I can't remember much about Payton II's recruitment. I know I've read several times here that he was a Robinson recruit, but how much of that was Robinson recruiting him versus him choosing to go play where dad played? I've thought all along GP2's primary recruiter was Gary Payton. It wouldn't surprise me if both coaches had to recruit the senior Payton harder than #2
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Post by greshambeaver on Feb 26, 2017 18:34:46 GMT -8
I think McLaughlin decommitted right after Robinson was fired and then recommitted later, after committing to WA. Payton was a Robinson recruit as much as Tinkle son and Thompson's son's are Tinkle recruits. The point is not that Robinson was a better coach, they are both terrible. Robinson was the better recruiter. Like I said I hope I am wrong, but I really doubt it...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 21:33:26 GMT -8
I think McLaughlin decommitted right after Robinson was fired and then recommitted later, after committing to WA. Payton was a Robinson recruit as much as Tinkle son and Thompson's son's are Tinkle recruits. The point is not that Robinson was a better coach, they are both terrible. Robinson was the better recruiter. Like I said I hope I am wrong, but I really doubt it... Robinson should get credit for correcting something Jay John did: alienating key alumni. Robinson really did a great job reconnecting the greats to the program. I think a lot of credit for GPII (and Payton Sr.) should be given to Robinson.
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