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Post by mbabeav on Feb 27, 2017 16:18:55 GMT -8
We can rant and rave about Meggs all we want - we didn't do well against the bottom of the conference and lost a few non-league games that really, really hurt. If you have to leave the decision to a committee, then you are open to the whims and personalities of the committee. In 2007, if I recall, we had a Pac-10 coach that went to the mat for us, and we were the last one in - with spectacular results. Last year, we had the opposite, and we were left out. I have a chip on my shoulder because in spite of our aforementioned poor performance against lesser teams, a three game shutout sweep of UCLA should have put us in the tourney. Go Beavs! Leave no doubt this year!
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Post by grackle on Feb 28, 2017 7:39:33 GMT -8
Nor will I EVER forgive it. I can't wait for you to come to Goss next season. Expect a particularly nice welcome from our fans dude, because you deserve it, you SOB. I'm gonna ride your ass all weekend, with some particularly pointed signs. And I sincerely hope our team destroys yours when we play this season. PAYBACK IS A BITCH, AND REVENGE IS BEST SERVED ICE COLD. FULLY, fully agree Dave. But also realize why Meggs went out of his way to hoodwink the clueless selection committee into dissing OSU: Casey not only beats Meggs' team regularly (and we were CHEATED out of a likely sweep last year by incompetent umps...remember??), he also beats Meggs regularly at recruiting in the state of Washington. According to many around his program, Meggs is so totally frustrated and red-assed by losing so frequently on and off the field to Pat that he ultimately responded by lying to the naive committee about OSU's record last year. Thus, essentially, we were shut out of the post-season by a spiteful, lying loser. What REALLY should happen when the Casey and Meggs meet with the umps before this years game is that Pat should, at the very least, give the cowardly Meggs a very public, very swift kick in his very fat butt. Period. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 28, 2017 12:52:21 GMT -8
Nor will I EVER forgive it. I can't wait for you to come to Goss next season. Expect a particularly nice welcome from our fans dude, because you deserve it, you SOB. I'm gonna ride your ass all weekend, with some particularly pointed signs. And I sincerely hope our team destroys yours when we play this season. PAYBACK IS A BITCH, AND REVENGE IS BEST SERVED ICE COLD. FULLY, fully agree Dave. But also realize why Meggs went out of his way to hoodwink the clueless selection committee into dissing OSU: Casey not only beats Meggs' team regularly (and we were CHEATED out of a likely sweep last year by incompetent umps...remember??), he also beats Meggs regularly at recruiting in the state of Washington. According to many around his program, Meggs is so totally frustrated and red-assed by losing so frequently on and off the field to Pat that he ultimately responded by lying to the naive committee about OSU's record last year. Thus, essentially, we were shut out of the post-season by a spiteful, lying loser. What REALLY should happen when the Casey and Meggs meet with the umps before this years game is that Pat should, at the very least, give the cowardly Meggs a very public, very swift kick in his very fat butt. Period. LOL... Meggs lied and the committee had no recourse but believe him? I get it, they are blind, they are not former baseball "guys" ADs with no other access to our record... no internet... only look/listen to ONE guy... do not keep track of teams themselves and know about good and bad losses, league and pre-season games /standings, etc?  ? Ya... that is totally it! Meggs just made up some fabrication and they bought it hook line and sinker!! Jesus people... really? What are your thoughts on Area 51??? Did MR, CR, or BDC have a hand in it too? PC will do what he always does at the conference... have his stone cold game face on and be professional... then follow up what he used all week as motivation... go out and kick UW's ass all over the field. Because, last year's over, and that is what you now have control of. Learn a lesson, and take matters out of the hands of a blind "naive" committee of non-baseball types that have no technological skill to do research... |
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Post by grackle on Feb 28, 2017 17:19:33 GMT -8
Baseba1111 -- wow are you aggressively naive or what? Wake up and smell the coffee. The committee DID indeed buy Megg's crap, as you say, "hook line and sinker." Apparently you didn't see the news conference after we were shafted: The selection committee chair explained that the committee factored "how you performed against the conference teams ahead of you" as a negative against OSU (misstating how they did), when it was actually a positive (in OSU's favor).
But then again, you were never REALLY a Beaver fan anyway, were you pal? 'Hope you enjoy your lousy team in Eugene this year.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 28, 2017 17:59:07 GMT -8
Baseba1111 -- wow are you aggressively naive or what? Wake up and smell the coffee. The committee DID indeed buy Megg's crap, as you say, "hook line and sinker." Apparently you didn't see the news conference after we were shafted: The selection committee chair explained that the committee factored "how you performed against the conference teams ahead of you" as a negative against OSU (misstating how they did), when it was actually a positive (in OSU's favor). But then again, you were never REALLY a Beaver fan anyway, were you pal? 'Hope you enjoy your lousy team in Eugene this year. And... you made my point... they have all the resources to make their decision... All they had to do is look at the scores. Meggs did not have to do a game by game. And, playing devil's advocate... -it was down to 5 teams... -only 4 got picked... -if it came down to overall record vs other 4 we should go... but, if it came down to only 4 teams for Pac12 going since the Pac12 has not fared well in the post season, it could have come down to ASU, Zona and OSU. Zona 4-2 OSU 3-3... but got swept in Tuscon... ASU 2-4... but swept by OSU It was all out there for anyone to see... not Meggs word. Again you're naive if you think ONE coach determines whether a team get in or out. Paint it any way you want... facts stand, we did not get in, and in my opinion we did not "deserve" it, we did not "earn" it as stated above. We could have made the decision for them and we did not vs lower echelon teams. So... get you panties out of your ass crack and get over it. Been over now for 8 months. |
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Post by grackle on Feb 28, 2017 20:02:36 GMT -8
If you're going to be a devils advocate, at least try to do it accurately. Apparently you need to hear it again: Doofus Erdmann (committee selection chair) stated flatly that the Beavers didn't get in because "....they didn't do well against the in-conference teams ahead of them," all of whom got into the tournament. In fact OSU's record against teams ahead of them in-conference was 7-5 (2/3 vs Utah; 2/3 vs UW; 3/3 vs ASU; 0/3 vs UA). AND, given that OSU swept ASU and both had virtually identical RPIs, there was absolutely NO excuse for the committee to have taken ASU as a #2 seed and keep OSU out of the tourney. What part of all this do you not understand?
Your assertions notwithstanding, (1) Erdman's own statements clearly show the committee DID NOT consider, or was ignorant of, all the facts when they kicked OSU out of the postseason and (2) given Erdmann's inexcusable ignorance of OSU's record, Megg's clearly did not do his job and ensure that the committee was fully aware of the PAC12's teams' records and strengths/weaknesses.
So, in closing, I suggest that YOU, like most $chmUck fans, need to get your panties off your head and at least try to see things as they really are. Personally, as a dyed-in-the-wool Beaver, 8 months or 8 years later, I'll still be pissed about the 2016 screw job by the NCAA, undoubtedly with Meggs' willing assistance.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 28, 2017 21:41:53 GMT -8
Nor will I EVER forgive it. I can't wait for you to come to Goss next season. Expect a particularly nice welcome from our fans dude, because you deserve it, you SOB. I'm gonna ride your ass all weekend, with some particularly pointed signs. And I sincerely hope our team destroys yours when we play this season. PAYBACK IS A BITCH, AND REVENGE IS BEST SERVED ICE COLD.  |
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Post by blueheron on Mar 1, 2017 11:00:11 GMT -8
All we have here is a bunch of ranting and raving with nary a scintilla of evidence. Provide some links!!
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 1, 2017 18:13:40 GMT -8
If you're going to be a devils advocate, at least try to do it accurately. Apparently you need to hear it again: Doofus Erdmann (committee selection chair) stated flatly that the Beavers didn't get in because "....they didn't do well against the in-conference teams ahead of them," all of whom got into the tournament. In fact OSU's record against teams ahead of them in-conference was 7-5 (2/3 vs Utah; 2/3 vs UW; 3/3 vs ASU; 0/3 vs UA). AND, given that OSU swept ASU and both had virtually identical RPIs, there was absolutely NO excuse for the committee to have taken ASU as a #2 seed and keep OSU out of the tourney. What part of all this do you not understand? Your assertions notwithstanding, (1) Erdman's own statements clearly show the committee DID NOT consider, or was ignorant of, all the facts when they kicked OSU out of the postseason and (2) given Erdmann's inexcusable ignorance of OSU's record, Megg's clearly did not do his job and ensure that the committee was fully aware of the PAC12's teams' records and strengths/weaknesses. So, in closing, I suggest that YOU, like most $chmUck fans, need to get your panties off your head and at least try to see things as they really are. Personally, as a dyed-in-the-wool Beaver, 8 months or 8 years later, I'll still be pissed about the 2016 screw job by the NCAA, undoubtedly with Meggs' willing assistance. You would be... prob still upset at headlines of Dewey's win! PS- Heard Megg"s grandfather leaked the wrong info. |
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Post by obf on Mar 2, 2017 11:23:23 GMT -8
But then again, you were never REALLY a Beaver fan anyway, were you pal? 'Hope you enjoy your lousy team in Eugene this year. Grackle... I AGREE with you. I am annoyed at Meggs as well, and believe the committee screwed us (although I personally think it has less to do with Meggs and more to do with the committee never fully believing in the Beavs as "real" and wanting to reset the "correct" order of the Pac-12). However, you render all of your points moot and void with the needless personal attacks. Baseba1111 certainly has strong opinions and isn't shy about taking the more controversial stance, and is happy to be critical of the beavers. But he has shown on this board to be a full and consummate Beaver fan, claiming otherwise is just eating our own and cutting our nose off to spite our face. It would be just as easy for him to call YOU a duck troll because you are in here stirring up 8 month old gripes. When we start questioning each others motives for being on a beaver fan board then the argument is over and you lost. Disagree, tear apart his argument, call him a delusional loser.... But calling him an *uck fan is going to far! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 2, 2017 12:25:02 GMT -8
But then again, you were never REALLY a Beaver fan anyway, were you pal? 'Hope you enjoy your lousy team in Eugene this year. Grackle... I AGREE with you. I am annoyed at Meggs as well, and believe the committee screwed us (although I personally think it has less to do with Meggs and more to do with the committee never fully believing in the Beavs as "real" and wanting to reset the "correct" order of the Pac-12). However, you render all of your points moot and void with the needless personal attacks. Baseba1111 certainly has strong opinions and isn't shy about taking the more controversial stance, and is happy to be critical of the beavers. But he has shown on this board to be a full and consummate Beaver fan, claiming otherwise is just eating our own and cutting our nose off to spite our face. It would be just as easy for him to call YOU a duck troll because you are in here stirring up 8 month old gripes. When we start questioning each others motives for being on a beaver fan board then the argument is over and you lost. Disagree, tear apart his argument, call him a delusional loser.... But calling him an *uck fan is going to far! Yep. He/She may be a lot of things, but Suck fan isn't one of them. Plus, we just weren't that good. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 2, 2017 12:28:13 GMT -8
Baseba1111 -- wow are you aggressively naive or what? Wake up and smell the coffee. The committee DID indeed buy Megg's crap, as you say, "hook line and sinker." Apparently you didn't see the news conference after we were shafted: The selection committee chair explained that the committee factored "how you performed against the conference teams ahead of you" as a negative against OSU (misstating how they did), when it was actually a positive (in OSU's favor). But then again, you were never REALLY a Beaver fan anyway, were you pal? 'Hope you enjoy your lousy team in Eugene this year. And... you made my point... they have all the resources to make their decision... All they had to do is look at the scores. Meggs did not have to do a game by game. And, playing devil's advocate... -it was down to 5 teams... -only 4 got picked... -if it came down to overall record vs other 4 we should go... but, if it came down to only 4 teams for Pac12 going since the Pac12 has not fared well in the post season, it could have come down to ASU, Zona and OSU. Zona 4-2 OSU 3-3... but got swept in Tuscon... ASU 2-4... but swept by OSU It was all out there for anyone to see... not Meggs word. Again you're naive if you think ONE coach determines whether a team get in or out. Paint it any way you want... facts stand, we did not get in, and in my opinion we did not "deserve" it, we did not "earn" it as stated above. We could have made the decision for them and we did not vs lower echelon teams. So... get you panties out of your ass crack and get over it. Been over now for 8 months. Maybe all those computers on the table in front of the committee members were hooked up to the same provider as Lloyd Braun's phone?  |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 2, 2017 15:09:24 GMT -8
But then again, you were never REALLY a Beaver fan anyway, were you pal? 'Hope you enjoy your lousy team in Eugene this year. Grackle... I AGREE with you. I am annoyed at Meggs as well, and believe the committee screwed us (although I personally think it has less to do with Meggs and more to do with the committee never fully believing in the Beavs as "real" and wanting to reset the "correct" order of the Pac-12). However, you render all of your points moot and void with the needless personal attacks. Baseba1111 certainly has strong opinions and isn't shy about taking the more controversial stance, and is happy to be critical of the beavers. But he has shown on this board to be a full and consummate Beaver fan, claiming otherwise is just eating our own and cutting our nose off to spite our face. It would be just as easy for him to call YOU a duck troll because you are in here stirring up 8 month old gripes. When we start questioning each others motives for being on a beaver fan board then the argument is over and you lost. Disagree, tear apart his argument, call him a delusional loser.... But calling him an *uck fan is going to far! Don't call him a Jive Turkey either. |
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Post by eugenedave on Mar 3, 2017 0:02:11 GMT -8
One last time guys and gals: Lindsay Meggs F'd us over and the Selection Committee are a bunch of AD doofuses that had no freaking clue what our record was. Or they knew damned well what the stats showed and purposely gave us the shaft.
There are knowledgeable and informed people associated with Beaver baseball that believe Meggs to be the douche that I called him out to be. I cannot and will not publicly disclose who they are, you will just have to believe me on this one.
I choose not to forgive. He is on my $hit list, and will never get off.
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Post by obf on Mar 3, 2017 10:07:00 GMT -8
Or they knew damned well what the stats showed and purposely gave us the shaft. Yup, this ↑ Meggs may have been complicit in the shaftage, but I have often felt like the NCAA and other baseball old guard regarded The beavs as interlopers all along. And so is only too happy to leave us out in the cold if given the chance. Can't leave it up to them because they WILL screw us if they can. So YES, Meggs is a douche bag as is the rest of the committee, and YES we should have been in the field of 64 last year. But, of course win the Pac-12 (or be the runner up) and there is no WAY they can leave you out. I'll bet dollars to donuts that THAT is Pat Casey's message to the team, leave no doubt, and having a little Meggs/Committee shaped chip on their shoulder won't hurt, either  |
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