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Post by bill82 on Feb 4, 2017 13:25:28 GMT -8
ASU enters as a five point favorite. This is our best chance to avoid the O-fer-Pac12. Likely a half-filled arena for the mid-afternoon game.
OSU 68-ASU 61.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Feb 4, 2017 15:48:00 GMT -8
Feb 3, 2017 5:16:11 GMT -8 bill82 said:
Tinkle had one home game under 5,000 in attendance in his first two years. He has had four this season (including last night) with four still to go.
In Robinson's last year his team played to a half-filled arena five times. Not the kind of record you want to be setting in your third year of a program.
Selling playing time to recruits has to be difficult when there is hardly anyone watching.
ASU enters as a five point favorite. This is our best chance to avoid the O-fer-Pac12. Likely a half-filled arena for the mid-afternoon game.
you have a serious hard on over lack of attendance
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 15:56:35 GMT -8
Horrible doesnt describe this. ASSU showboating and raining 3s on a toothless beaver D. Sun devils not even trying to play D because beavs are so inept at dribbling and passing they cant even get a shot off. Without Drewbanks this team is the worst beaver basketball team I can recall seeing. And maybe with him. Beaver Coaches are letting them play and learn, or maybe the coaches have given up. The product is a saturday rec team that doesnt even have plays or any defensive philosophy whatsoever. Nothing good happening with this team that I can see.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 4, 2017 16:00:49 GMT -8
And some true orange colored optimism. ASU us not playing up to level but their very very talented!
44-25 @half!
Scored 12pts in 1st 4:10 Scored 13pts in last 15:50
Outscored 38-13 in that time.... on 9-31 shooting, 2-14 from 3.
End half on the smallest guy on the court by several inches pulling in offensive board and scoring at the buzzer.
Not even competitive effort. Every single guy who's seen the floor has played half assed D and although we could do some damage inside (especially when we actually pump fake) bigs never see the ball unless they pull offensive board.
Whatever little progress we'd made... 5 steps or more back... horrendously bad ball and even worse effort being shown. You'd think ASU was a top 10 team not a 10-13 team!
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Post by beavfan14 on Feb 4, 2017 16:21:21 GMT -8
Sorry if this makes people mad (actually I'm not) but I'm tired of the BS about the coaches and players. We are simply overmatched. Whether because of injuries or academics or whatever, we just don't have the players. But don't tell me the coaches or players have given up. That's just crap. They have no bench and are playing hard trying to make up for that. Tinkle is up and yelling and coaching and the bench players are trying to stay in the game. Could they get better? Of course.
You can not like Tinkle as a coach, I can't dispute that or would try and change people's mind. That's your opinion. And if you can't see a better future, that's also something I can't give you. By the endless and very pointless posts about how they suck are riciculous. You can critique, that's what fans do, but every week there's dumb posts about how terrible the program is with no constructive conversation.
Every Beaver fan is disappointed in this season. I truely believe it will get better and soon. And if some of you don't I get it. It's hard to see anything positive right now. But this is a young team trying to learn how to win. And they will. Give them a little time.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 4, 2017 16:31:35 GMT -8
It's a crappy day to be a Beaver men's basketball fan. We get smeared by a lousy ASU team...at home...and the friggin' schmucks destroy a very good 'zona team. If I were a heavy drinker, I'd drink MORE heavily....
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 4, 2017 16:47:19 GMT -8
Sorry if this makes people mad (actually I'm not) but I'm tired of the BS about the coaches and players. We are simply overmatched. Whether because of injuries or academics or whatever, we just don't have the players. But don't tell me the coaches or players have given up. That's just crap. They have no bench and are playing hard trying to make up for that. Tinkle is up and yelling and coaching and the bench players are trying to stay in the game. Could they get better? Of course. You can not like Tinkle as a coach, I can't dispute that or would try and change people's mind. That's your opinion. And if you can't see a better future, that's also something I can't give you. By the endless and very pointless posts about how they suck are riciculous. You can critique, that's what fans do, but every week there's dumb posts about how terrible the program is with no constructive conversation. Every Beaver fan is disappointed in this season. I truely believe it will get better and soon. And if some of you don't I get it. It's hard to see anything positive right now. But this is a young team trying to learn how to win. And they will. Give them a little time. Not anti-WT, but most if your key points fall directly on his broad shoulders. His job is to have a competitive roster... MD departure was known in time to sign a late JC... CN is not really a factor and WT chose not to find another big expecially with Kone' coming off ACL and Big G having little experience. Losing Tres is tough but other teams lose their best player and still have a roster that competes. All you have to do is watch at the games... effort is sporadic at best. Coaches constantly have to yell at kids what to in the offense and OB plays. "Caring" not sure you can say that, but typically people surmise that from actions they observe if it's not directly stated to them. So... there are periods of lack of "caring", inattention and focus, respect for following the game plan (mentioned almost every post game by WT)... some, combo of all?! Out manned or not you still should know your offense, OB plays, hustle 100% of your on court time then sit, and follow a game plan. It's not happening. Not sure if you attend games, but you see much more than the TV game allows. If you don't, come on down and see if you change your tune somewhat.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 4, 2017 16:59:54 GMT -8
I gotta say; a number of these players act like they WISH they were somewhere else, doing anything else. That's what concerns me. Yes, we're out-manned, but, we've been out-manned MANY times before (for years) and gave much greater effort. See; the Johns years and the Robinson years as examples.
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Post by matt90 on Feb 4, 2017 17:47:36 GMT -8
Sorry if this makes people mad (actually I'm not) but I'm tired of the BS about the coaches and players. We are simply overmatched. Whether because of injuries or academics or whatever, we just don't have the players. But don't tell me the coaches or players have given up. That's just crap. They have no bench and are playing hard trying to make up for that. Tinkle is up and yelling and coaching and the bench players are trying to stay in the game. Could they get better? Of course. You can not like Tinkle as a coach, I can't dispute that or would try and change people's mind. That's your opinion. And if you can't see a better future, that's also something I can't give you. By the endless and very pointless posts about how they suck are riciculous. You can critique, that's what fans do, but every week there's dumb posts about how terrible the program is with no constructive conversation. Every Beaver fan is disappointed in this season. I truely believe it will get better and soon. And if some of you don't I get it. It's hard to see anything positive right now. But this is a young team trying to learn how to win. And they will. Give them a little time. So here are my three suggestions: 1) Use both of your hands. God gave you two of them. You do not look one bit cooler trying to catch a chest pass with one hand than you do catching it with two. And guess what, you look like a middle-school boob when you try to catch with one hand and bobble it or lose it. 2) Use both of your feet on defense. Guess what. EVERY TEAM WE PLAY rides our thinner wing players like a horse, and they never get called for it. Our Beavers like to play off of their man and then reach in to try to disrupt the ball. Hmmm. We end up with a bunch of fouls that a) don't really accomplish anything because the offensive players still maintain the ball and/or drive past us, and b) put the other team on the line where we get killed. 3) Play some ball. For about a 5 minute stretch in the 2nd half it looked like the Beavers got pissed and decided to take it to ASU. Lo and behold, we made a little run. Then there was a timeout, and then the Beavers started 'thinking' again. And it all went away. If either of our primary ball handlers were just a tad more aggressive, it would make all the difference in the world. They just need to play, like when it was fun, just a little.
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Post by bill82 on Feb 4, 2017 18:05:44 GMT -8
Feb 3, 2017 5:16:11 GMT -8 bill82 said: you have a serious hard on over lack of attendance Attendance for the Pac-12 season is down about 30%. I guess that is about $1.0 million in revenue. We probably were expecting an increase this year, so yes, I think attendance could be the final nail in Tinkle's coffin. The new AD starts in a couple weeks and with one of his money making programs tanking in revenue, forget the wins and losses, it will get is attention. If players and fans quit on the coach, donors will as well. College basketball is not men's rowing. But since I predicted the Beavs to win one tonight, I'm probably wrong on this as well. I really was hoping for a freshman or sophomore to blossom at the end of the season. Oh well.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 4, 2017 18:11:41 GMT -8
Feb 3, 2017 5:16:11 GMT -8 bill82 said: you have a serious hard on over lack of attendance Attendance for the Pac-12 season is down about 30%. I guess that is about $1.0 million in revenue. We probably were expecting an increase this year, so yes, I think attendance could be the final nail in Tinkle's coffin. The new AD starts in a couple weeks and with one of his money making programs tanking in revenue, forget the wins and losses, it will get is attention. If players and fans quit on the coach, donors will as well. College basketball is not men's rowing. But since I predicted the Beavs to win one tonight, I'm probably wrong on this as well. I really was hoping for a freshman or sophomore to blossom at the end of the season. Oh well. You're not wrong. Revenue in general and booster "interest" are huge factors in evaluating D1 hoop staffs. Nice guys who don't win or bring $ don't last long. WT is not in the hot seat. Yet. The new AD, if asked, will give the standard "... we sit down and evaluate all programs and coaches once their season concludes...". But, the seat could get warmer faster depending how he and his players handle a 4/5 win season could change that. If you see a key asst. leave or a player defection or two... it's a sign there might be bigger issues.
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Post by sagebrush on Feb 4, 2017 18:49:48 GMT -8
At least I made a butt load of money today giving points. I took ASU and gave 4.5 and took hole and gave 3. Geez, only 4.5. A lock.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 4, 2017 22:21:21 GMT -8
It's a crappy day to be a Beaver men's basketball fan. We get smeared by a lousy ASU team...at home...and the friggin' schmucks destroy a very good 'zona team. If I were a heavy drinker, I'd drink MORE heavily.... Asu isn't lousy. We are, but they aren't. Not sure how good Arizona is. We led them by 4 after half after all....
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Post by beavfan14 on Feb 5, 2017 0:23:37 GMT -8
Sorry if this makes people mad (actually I'm not) but I'm tired of the BS about the coaches and players. We are simply overmatched. Whether because of injuries or academics or whatever, we just don't have the players. But don't tell me the coaches or players have given up. That's just crap. They have no bench and are playing hard trying to make up for that. Tinkle is up and yelling and coaching and the bench players are trying to stay in the game. Could they get better? Of course. You can not like Tinkle as a coach, I can't dispute that or would try and change people's mind. That's your opinion. And if you can't see a better future, that's also something I can't give you. By the endless and very pointless posts about how they suck are riciculous. You can critique, that's what fans do, but every week there's dumb posts about how terrible the program is with no constructive conversation. Every Beaver fan is disappointed in this season. I truely believe it will get better and soon. And if some of you don't I get it. It's hard to see anything positive right now. But this is a young team trying to learn how to win. And they will. Give them a little time. Not anti-WT, but most if your key points fall directly on his broad shoulders. His job is to have a competitive roster... MD departure was known in time to sign a late JC... CN is not really a factor and WT chose not to find another big expecially with Kone' coming off ACL and Big G having little experience. Losing Tres is tough but other teams lose their best player and still have a roster that competes. All you have to do is watch at the games... effort is sporadic at best. Coaches constantly have to yell at kids what to in the offense and OB plays. "Caring" not sure you can say that, but typically people surmise that from actions they observe if it's not directly stated to them. So... there are periods of lack of "caring", inattention and focus, respect for following the game plan (mentioned almost every post game by WT)... some, combo of all?! Out manned or not you still should know your offense, OB plays, hustle 100% of your on court time then sit, and follow a game plan. It's not happening. Not sure if you attend games, but you see much more than the TV game allows. If you don't, come on down and see if you change your tune somewhat.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Feb 5, 2017 0:41:48 GMT -8
Attendance for the Pac-12 season is down about 30%. I guess that is about $1.0 million in revenue. We probably were expecting an increase this year, so yes, I think attendance could be the final nail in Tinkle's coffin. The new AD starts in a couple weeks and with one of his money making programs tanking in revenue, forget the wins and losses, it will get is attention. If players and fans quit on the coach, donors will as well. College basketball is not men's rowing. You are out of your mind if you think a coach is in jeopardy one season removed from our first NCAA berth in 26 years! Obviously this is a craptastic season, but it's hardly a trend. I drove down from Portland for the game today, and I didn't see any reason to question the effort of anyone out there - players or coaches. ASU was ridiculously hot from distance in the first half, while we couldn't finish in the paint. Some of that was the PAC-12 officials swallowing their whistles, some it was we don't have any consistent finishers but Eubanks. Blazers lose at home to Dallas, that's absolutely an effort issue. Beavs lose at home to a decent ASU team, that's a talent issue. Without Tres, this team does not have any way to consistently break down a defense. They don't have the shooters to pull the defense away from Eubanks, nor the skill to drive and finish in the paint. Tres can do both. Hopefully Ethan Thompson can too. Until we have those guys, I'm not sure how anyone can expect a different outcome.
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