A familiar stink emanating from the sdtr

Jan 31, 2017 10:16:17 GMT -8 nforkbeav said:

Terrible season with embarrassing losses on national t.v.

Entire staff fired going into most critical recruiting stretch

Mass decommitments following staff firing

Wasted time until new staff announced and in place

Rocky start with headline generating major screw ups by new staff

Yet we're supposed to believe in the matter of weeks in spite all that, the new shorthanded staff (minus fired coach) have made one of the largest climbs up the recruiting rankings without some "serious help"?  Too many good recruiters out there competing for the same players to believe the ones from sdtr, who were playing catch up from the start and never recruited great before, are all of a sudden super star recruiters.

Unlike 9-10 years ago, almost all big time programs now match or surpass them in uniforms and facilities and have always bested them in stadium size and tradition.  So how does one explain the success they've had with all the obstacles in their way and no prior track record of greatness on the recruiting trail with entire seasons to recruit?   

If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it probably cheats like a .......
 

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This x1000

Jan 31, 2017 12:57:52 GMT -8 lebaneaver said:

NIKE, NIKE, NIKE. Football center.....Facilities, facilities, facilities...a new, animated coach who is African American (That fact shouldn't be ignored)....Glitz. Glamour. Bulls%#t....that about covers it, I think.

Just a few quick facts:

Nike provides more MONEY and more stuff to UW than to Oregon.

Phil Knight donates his own money to Oregon ... just like any alum from OSU can.

The facilities are great:

Football operations building

Athletic Department offices

The weight room

the new Marcus Mariota Performance center

he Jaqua Education Center

I think I actually mentioned the facilities in my previous post as an advantage for recruiting - which would help explain how a new coaching staff could not only expect success, but actually put together a good recruiting class (kinda deflates the "they must be cheating" conclusion drawn in the first post).

I also mentioned the new coaching staff.  Their energy and drive in their first few weeks on the drive were noticeable to everyone that watched them work.

I am not sure the fact that the Head Coach is Black is a huge contributor - I think his personality and positive attitude are more the forces that are making a difference.

And it's not like the Oregon staff was devoid of black coaches in the past.

Not sure how that adds up to bullsh!t ... I mean the facilities do exist and the coaches are doing their job ... how exactly is that bs?

Jan 31, 2017 14:16:06 GMT -8 nforkbeav said:

And yet nowhere above is any mention of the sanctions you served, or the street agents you used, or the forged recruiting documents your coaches signed, or the good as cash swag your players have been bribed with. 

I think it's great you can generate a fairy tale version of your team and believe it so strongly it's become reality for you.  I'd do the same too if they were my team.  Wisconsin has had longer sustained success and doesn't recruit at a similar level.  Why is that?  Better college town, better conference t.v. contract, more local talent, bigger stadium and following, more prestigious university, great facilities.  So why?  Oh that's right Barry runs a clean program. 

A 3-9 season after a monumental melt down to the prior season creates desperation.  People(boosters, coaches) are willing to take dire measures in such times.  The sdtr's brand is not strong enough to sustain another losing season or extended mediocre period and remain a conference contender.  Heck it may already be too late as is with UW already passing you bye for the foreseeable future, Stanford holding steady, and USC about to open up a can of whoop azz like the old days.  Whether you choose to believe it or not, top 25 recruiting isn't all smiles, handshakes, and facilities. 

"And yet nowhere above is any mention of the sanctions you served"

>  Read my post ... I mention that Oregon gets all official visits and all recruit contacts ... which means the sanctioned are lifted ... which is why the 2017 recruiting class COULD be much better even with a 4-8 season.

"A 3-9 season "

>  Oregon finished 4-8 ... just like the Beavers.

"... the street agents you used"

>  Oregon used one recruiting service that had a guy that had no clue about NCAA rules.  That guy violated NCAA rules and Oregon got hit with the sanctions.  It is not that hard to figure out that the "recruiting guru" in this case was at fault, but the NCAA rules say it is the school that pays the penalty.  And not a single player that was questionably recruited through this person ever played a single down for Oregon.  Players recruited when he worked FOR a recruiting service before heading out on his own (a recruiting service used by OSU the same year) did play for Oregon, but those players were never declared ineligible, Oregon was not penalized (because the recruiting was done under then NCAA rules - which changed), and Oregon did not forfeit a single game for playing an ineligible player.  So "street agents" is not only incorrect for use of plural, it is in fact incorrect in that it had no effect on the play on the field - Oregon wins the games they won regardless.

"the forged recruiting documents your coaches signed"

>  Again, your exaggeration belies your hatred ... but lets state the facts:

1.  The PLAYER forged his parents signature

2.  The player never played for Oregon

3.  The incident happened many years before Chip arrived

4.  It was a single incident

I do like how you mention Wisconsin ... Oregon beat Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl in 2012.  Why?  Not because of your fairy tale about cheating, but because on that day Oregon's players on the field made the plays to win a game.  It did not matter how big the stadium in Madison, WI is - they played the game at the Rose Bowl.  It did not matter that Barry Alvarez was the former coach ... he wasn't coaching that day.  Oregon rarely recruits against Wisconsin, so I am not sure how the recruiting class at Wisconsin is important.  Oregon plays in the Pac12, and as I stated typically has a recruiting ranking relative to other Pac12 schools about 5 - behind USC, UCLA, Stanford, UW (now) and sometimes Cal.

As for your prediction of doom for the Oregon football program - and the implied notion that the only way Oregon will be successful in the future is to cheat - it is the simple mind that predicates their conclusion with justification for either outcome.  Which gets us to the final point - no matter how successful the Oregon football program is, you will never give credit to the players on the field that actually play and win games - you will simply hate anything about the University of Oregon.  Kind of sad.

Jan 31, 2017 14:49:38 GMT -8 lebaneaver said:

Ahhhhh...dry your eyes, green. The ONLY REASON hole has had that kind of athletic success is one Philbert Knight. End of story. If YOU can admit that, you'll be light years ahead of an average uck....

Phil Knight has been very generous in many ways.

His donations have built some of the best athletic facilities on any campus.

His status as a Duck alum that built a great legacy for his family and for his school is unmatched.

Oregon players have won the games.

The Oregon basketball team played the last 3 years in Matthew Knight Arena to crowds of 65% capacity and lower.

But the Oregon basketball team played in the NCAA tournament and Coach Dana Altman has won Pac12 Coach of the Year 3 of the last 4 years.

That group of players and coaches played in a nice building, but it was THEIR effort, THEIR talent and THEIR drive to win that forged those victories and that success.

Phil Knight has been a difference maker for Oregon athletics ... AND for Oregon academics ... AND for cancer research in Oregon at OHSU.

Phil Knight has provided his own money - money he earned in a lifetime of success - to the pursuit of athletic championships at Oregon.

Every Oregon fan and every Oregon athlete is indebted to Phil for his generosity.

BUT he is NOT the ONLY REASON for the success at Oregon.

The players play the games.

The players win games at home in the nice stadium, arena, baseball field, soccer field, track, etc. - but they also win the games on the road as visitors to other schools.  The facilities that Phil Knight help build at Oregon do not travel - but the players and coaches certainly do.

So I guess I am the "average Duck fan" because I cannot and will not diminish the accomplishments of the athletes and coaches at Oregon; I will not insult their talent or effort or hard work by simply saying that Phil Knight is the "ONLY REASON" they have success.