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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 30, 2017 13:15:18 GMT -8
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Post by beavdowg on Jan 30, 2017 14:04:09 GMT -8
No kidding! I totally agree, squonk. And yet we're still ranked behind them...and Stanford!! Ridiculous.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 30, 2017 14:41:32 GMT -8
Wouldnt be surprised if some of her teammates are getting a little tired of being bit players in the Kelsey Plum WNBA audition roadshow. I will be curious to see how well Kelsey Plum will do in the WNBA as well...... Jamie Wiesner had challenges and seems to be taller, a very good rebounder, and shot better percentages than her. Go Beavs! |
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Post by rafer on Jan 30, 2017 15:24:45 GMT -8
No kidding! I totally agree, squonk. And yet we're still ranked behind them...and Stanford!! Ridiculous. Mystery and east coast bias remains solid, how this happens is nuts, but it can be used for motivation too, shove their rankings right up.......... |
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Post by beavdowg on Jan 30, 2017 17:00:30 GMT -8
Well, the Stanford rematch in Corvallis on the 24th will settle it all, I suppose. Sure would like to prove it was no fluke in Palo Alto. Let's take care of business down in Tempe this weekend first, though. Devils' backs are in a corner and Charlie-whatever-her-fiesty-name is will be all fired up to try and beat us.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 30, 2017 18:17:18 GMT -8
From a game story I read on ESPN.com - Plum scored 44 points and moved into third place in the NCAA career scoring list, before fouling out in the closing seconds. But while Plum carried the Huskies, her supporting cast provided very little and allowed the Cardinal a chance to rally. She made seven 3-pointers, but her final attempt with 6 seconds remaining bounced twice on the rim and fell off. It was her only 3-point miss and could have pulled the Huskies even. She was 17 of 27 overall and the 44 points were one off her career high. Aside from Plum, the Huskies were 6-of-37 shooting. How many assists might she have had if her teammates had cashed in a couple opportunities? The entire Stanford team knows she's going to put the ball up, is probably running two or three girls at her, and she still shoots 63% from the field and you're unimpressed? She fouled out with less than five seconds left after playing 36 minutes and you're acting like she let her team down with her fouls? C'mon guys, I thought Sydney Wiese had an amazing game too, but that doesn't mean that Plum's game wasn't more amazing. It's like saying a guy who goes 3-3 with 3 singles, two steals, and a couple great plays in the field deserves player of the game over the DH who hit four HRs. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 30, 2017 18:39:40 GMT -8
From a game story I read on ESPN.com - Plum scored 44 points and moved into third place in the NCAA career scoring list, before fouling out in the closing seconds. But while Plum carried the Huskies, her supporting cast provided very little and allowed the Cardinal a chance to rally. She made seven 3-pointers, but her final attempt with 6 seconds remaining bounced twice on the rim and fell off. It was her only 3-point miss and could have pulled the Huskies even. She was 17 of 27 overall and the 44 points were one off her career high. Aside from Plum, the Huskies were 6-of-37 shooting. How many assists might she have had if her teammates had cashed in a couple opportunities? The entire Stanford team knows she's going to put the ball up, is probably running two or three girls at her, and she still shoots 63% from the field and you're unimpressed? She fouled out with less than five seconds left after playing 36 minutes and you're acting like she let her team down with her fouls? C'mon guys, I thought Sydney Wiese had an amazing game too, but that doesn't mean that Plum's game wasn't more amazing. It's like saying a guy who goes 3-3 with 3 singles, two steals, and a couple great plays in the field deserves player of the game over the DH who hit four HRs. Plum picked up her 4th foul with 3 minutes left in the 3rd. It forced Neighbors to sit her in late "offense for defense" situations and definitely contributed to Stanford's 4th quarter surge and closeout. Stanford outscored UW 22 to 13 in the 4th. Let's not forget that UW was heavily favored in this game and playing at home in front of a record setting capacity crowd of 10,000.
Hope we play them again in the tournament - notwithstanding their lofty ranking and the home game atmosphere at Key Arena. I like the matchup and think it favors OSU.
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Post by beaver94 on Jan 30, 2017 19:35:45 GMT -8
nabeav - I'm curious if you saw the game, or anyone that did? You said that Stanford was probably running two or three girls at her knowing she's going to shoot the ball. I didn't see the game, and was curious when I saw she had 44 if Stanford didn't decide to just let her have her points and stop everyone else. She's definitely an impressive scorer, but I'd rather have someone like Wiese who does such a great job getting everyone involved.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 31, 2017 0:50:45 GMT -8
I did not watch the game, but the highlights I saw did not make it appear like she was taking wide open shots. I saw more than one move where she dribbled around and through multiple Stanford defenders on the way to the hoop. A couple of the threes she took were in transition, where her ball handling skills forced the defender to take a step back, allowing her just enough room to pull up before the D could recover.
And yes, we are the better team. We should beat them most nights, sort of like the Celtics in the early 80s vs. the Bulls. In a series, there's no doubt OSU wins more often than not, but there's always the chance Plum is red hot that one night you catch them in an elimination tournament.....and then you're left shaking your head as to how this amazing team was done in by one incredible player on a hot streak.
Don't forget - Plum was 8-23 and Wiese outscored her in our win vs. Washington earlier this season. We only won by 3 at home.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 31, 2017 2:47:17 GMT -8
Note that Sabrina Ionescu received Freshman of the Week honors, and her team lost both games...... Granted, she played quite well individually, and perhaps was the best freshman player in the Pac-12 this past week. I also noticed, however, that Pivec was nominated for the award. While I think the world of Pivec, this week's body of work by her is not one I would draw much attention to...... I am guessing that each team is required to nominate a POTW and FOTW candidate from that fact. Can you not abstain from nominating a candidate? I am not as impressed with the POTW and FOTW awards after discerning these apparent rules :-). Go Beavs! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 31, 2017 7:33:38 GMT -8
I did not watch the game, but the highlights I saw did not make it appear like she was taking wide open shots. I saw more than one move where she dribbled around and through multiple Stanford defenders on the way to the hoop. A couple of the threes she took were in transition, where her ball handling skills forced the defender to take a step back, allowing her just enough room to pull up before the D could recover. And yes, we are the better team. We should beat them most nights, sort of like the Celtics in the early 80s vs. the Bulls. In a series, there's no doubt OSU wins more often than not, but there's always the chance Plum is red hot that one night you catch them in an elimination tournament.....and then you're left shaking your head as to how this amazing team was done in by one incredible player on a hot streak. Don't forget - Plum was 8-23 and Wiese outscored her in our win vs. Washington earlier this season. We only won by 3 at home. And she wasnt named PAC-12 player of the week that weekend. Plum is is a great scorer, statistically the best in conference history. But basketball is not golf or darts, it's a 5 versus 5 team sport so scoring is only one part of a point guard's duties. For a point guard, being an offensive catalyst, finding and creating scoring opportunities for the other 4 players on the floor is EQUALLY important. I think she failed in that against Stanford, to the detriment of her team. UW has a talented team and they were most certainly ready to contribute in front of the largest home crowd in program history, but you wouldn't know that from Sunday's stat line. And as I noted previously, drawing her 4th foul midway through the 3Q limited her court time and defensive effectiveness when it was needed the most. POW is voted on by the conference coaches. Do all 12 know exponentially more about basketball than I do? No doubt. But in my opinion, for the reasons I've stated, I don't think her performance was worthy of the award. In the larger picture, who really cares about individual awards in a team sport anyway? |
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Post by bennyskid on Jan 31, 2017 8:33:33 GMT -8
As though any voter gave more than ten seconds of thought to the exercise . . . or watched more than one or two of the games.
The headline this week was "Plum scores 24 and 44, moves to 3rd on the all-time list." That's a pretty good headline. "Wiese scores 12 and 23, Beavs win" is just an ordinary weekend around here. And "Beaver Women beat the Ducks" is so routine that monks use it to calculate the date of Easter.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 31, 2017 8:49:30 GMT -8
bennyskid has the right idea, and I get what you're saying Werebeaver about Kelsey Plum. I prefer my point guards to be more Isiah Thomas (the one from the Bad Boys teams) than Isaiah Thomas (the one from the Celtics). However, that's not what Plum's game is. She's not, nor is their offense designed, to pass first and set up other players. I don't think you can knock her for not doing something she's not asked to do. Plus, it's hard to argue with what she's doing this year...she's shooting 53% on the year, a full ten percentage points better than her career average. Similarly, her 3 point percentage is way up as well. I jusd on't think there's any way you have a player that efficient (our only player above 50% on the season is Breanna Brown (54.6%) who I don't think has taken a shot more than six feet from the hoop all season) and ask her not to shoot as much as possible. And to argue with the results (Their 3 losses have come at #7 Notre Dame, at #11 Oregon State, and home to #8 Stanford, seems a bit unfair. Those 3 teams have a combined record of 59-8.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 31, 2017 9:45:34 GMT -8
bennyskid has the right idea, and I get what you're saying Werebeaver about Kelsey Plum. I prefer my point guards to be more Isiah Thomas (the one from the Bad Boys teams) than Isaiah Thomas (the one from the Celtics). However, that's not what Plum's game is. She's not, nor is their offense designed, to pass first and set up other players. I don't think you can knock her for not doing something she's not asked to do. Plus, it's hard to argue with what she's doing this year...she's shooting 53% on the year, a full ten percentage points better than her career average. Similarly, her 3 point percentage is way up as well. I jusd on't think there's any way you have a player that efficient (our only player above 50% on the season is Breanna Brown (54.6%) who I don't think has taken a shot more than six feet from the hoop all season) and ask her not to shoot as much as possible. And to argue with the results (Their 3 losses have come at #7 Notre Dame, at #11 Oregon State, and home to #8 Stanford, seems a bit unfair. Those 3 teams have a combined record of 59-8. And UW's best wins are over #13 UCLA and #23 ASU.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 31, 2017 10:17:30 GMT -8
Can't have it both ways... disparaging Plum and UW takes away from one of our best wins!
Ultimately who cares who wins POTW, FOTW, POY... this program has taught us that "wins" matter over everything else. And, not just those on the court... SR and our ladies "win" in every aspect of life. I am not privy to the "inside" accomplishments of other programs and I do not care to.
So... again... WHO CARES about the outside crap, we all know full well "voting"... awards, polls, etc (I'll stay away from the obvious)... can be/is biased and political in most cases.
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