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Post by mbabeav on Jan 31, 2017 10:45:42 GMT -8
Weekly awards are nice, but it is the trophy at the end of the season that you shoot for. Both OSU and UW were in the final 4 fighting for 2nd place last year, and OSU was the best of the rest - this season the Pups were supposed to be at the top of the charts and OSU in rebuild mode. We know how that prediction has fared so far.
The last half of the season is going to be unreal - going to try to be at every home game because the ruins, furd and every other squad coming into Gill are going to be bringing their A++ game, and starting to think that a road trip to Seattle might be worthwhile.
Plum is the anchor of her squad, but I bet if you asked the coaches in the conference which player they would build their team around. Syd and maybe Canada for UCLA would be a bit ahead of her.
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Post by bennyskid on Jan 31, 2017 11:12:14 GMT -8
I think SR nailed it in his last press conference. It isn't the awards - it's the competition that matters. His point was that all those free throws Bre made at the end of the last game are something she's going to carry with her for the rest of her life. If we were up by 30, though, who would care? I'm with Scott - it's about having the chance to contribute and compete at the highest level you can.
And isn't that why Plum bothers us so much? Yes, she is a great player. So is Sydney. But Sydney's play - and the way SR coaches her - brings the whole team to a higher level. When asked about Syd's play, she said, "I get pumped!" Because Syd played well in this game, Bre's efforts became more meaningful. And this is something that we've seen game after game. There is hardly a player on our team that hasn't had a few huge moments - the sort that you carry with you for the rest of your life. I don't know if that's true for any of those girls in Seattle.
And I really think that in the long run, SR's coaching style pays off with wins, because every girl on that team gets tempered by the experience. UW might have another magic run like they did last year based on Plum's ability, but they are also much more likely than most teams to fall flat, simply because no one else on the team (except maybe Osahor) has had to perform under pressure. I may be seeing things though orange-colored glasses, but I think our team has the best tournament prospects of any in the Pac because we are eight-deep with players who have made crunch-time shots and defensive stops.
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Post by obf on Jan 31, 2017 11:41:59 GMT -8
I would be willing to bet Plum would trade half her points, and the silly weekly award for..... THE WIN!
Beavs Win, that's all that matters...
GO BEAVS!
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Post by nabeav on Jan 31, 2017 11:42:25 GMT -8
There's nothing to dislike about this current batch of OSU women's players....but just because we don't know literally anything about Washington's players doesn't mean that they're not fantastic humans as well. I don't understand why Plum bothers anyone at all....she's an incredible talent and really fun to watch play. As for her not sharing the ball - Plum is currently averaging more assists per game than Syd is. This whole thread seemed like it was started as a hit job on Plum as if it's her fault she was named POW, which is totally unfair to her.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 31, 2017 12:23:24 GMT -8
There's nothing to dislike about this current batch of OSU women's players....but just because we don't know literally anything about Washington's players doesn't mean that they're not fantastic humans as well. I don't understand why Plum bothers anyone at all....she's an incredible talent and really fun to watch play. As for her not sharing the ball - Plum is currently averaging more assists per game than Syd is. This whole thread seemed like it was started as a hit job on Plum as if it's her fault she was named POW, which is totally unfair to her. It certainly wasn't anything like "hit job". She's OBVIOUSLY a great player - the best scorer in conference history, that says a lot. I have no idea what sort of person she is nor do I particularly care. Her coach speaks very highly of her.
For all of her superlatives, I'm just not convinced that she's a great "point guard". I've given my reasons. You don't have to agree with me - I won't take personally if you dont.
And I'm sure Kelsey couldn't care less what's written on an OSU message board by a bunch of middle aged Oregon State fans.
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Post by grumpybeaver on Jan 31, 2017 13:02:26 GMT -8
Great player, however, her numbers would not be close to what they are if the officials negated the extreme offensive advantage gained by carrying the ball at the top of her dribble. Her signature move is to hesitate with the ball at the top of the dribble (carry), and then pull up, cross-over, or continue in the same direction. This is incredibly hard to defend, which is why it is illegal. Ionescu uses a similar move, but not as blatant. I don't know how Gabby defends them so well. I also don't know why it is NEVER called on Plum. Will the WNBA call it, or will they also shelter a star scorer.?
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Post by bennyskid on Jan 31, 2017 14:26:49 GMT -8
And I'm sure Kelsey couldn't care less what's written on an OSU message board by a bunch of middle aged Oregon State fans.
I'm not middle aged. I'm OLD. Now get off my lawn, you dam punk.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 31, 2017 17:34:54 GMT -8
Great player, however, her numbers would not be close to what they are if the officials negated the extreme offensive advantage gained by carrying the ball at the top of her dribble. Her signature move is to hesitate with the ball at the top of the dribble (carry), and then pull up, cross-over, or continue in the same direction. This is incredibly hard to defend, which is why it is illegal. Ionescu uses a similar move, but not as blatant. I don't know how Gabby defends them so well. I also don't know why it is NEVER called on Plum. Will the WNBA call it, or will they also shelter a star scorer.? I spent a ton of time with my DVR after the 'ucks games watching Sabrina Ionescu with her dribble in general and her allegedly amazing hesitation moves. I concluded I did not understand the rules of a carry, since much of her dribbling seemed to involve what I thought was a carry. I even thought we just had a year recently where carry was a "point of emphasis" among referees. At any rate, as they say, "it's only a foul if it gets called". And it is not getting called. The cynical side in me would say the Pac-12 is looking to anoint their next media darling post-Plum, but the fact that Plum almost fouled out of her game against Stanford gives me hope that she isn't getting "Jordan rules" applied to her despite nearing the all-time scoring record. And I need some sports entertainment I am not cynical about - already given up on most all pro sports, and MBB isn't doing it for me this year either.... Go Beavs!
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Post by jefframp on Jan 31, 2017 21:10:36 GMT -8
The cynical side in me would say the Pac-12 is looking to anoint their next media darling post-Plum, but the fact that Plum almost fouled out of her game against Stanford gives me hope that she isn't getting "Jordan rules" applied to her despite nearing the all-time scoring record. Plum actually did foul out of the Stanford game in the final few seconds, with the outcome already decided.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 31, 2017 22:58:54 GMT -8
The cynical side in me would say the Pac-12 is looking to anoint their next media darling post-Plum, but the fact that Plum almost fouled out of her game against Stanford gives me hope that she isn't getting "Jordan rules" applied to her despite nearing the all-time scoring record. Plum actually did foul out of the Stanford game in the final few seconds, with the outcome already decided. The refs kept Kelsey in as long as they could. Finally with the outcome decided they fouled her out. Just to make it look "right"
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Post by blueheron on Feb 1, 2017 7:18:00 GMT -8
There's nothing to dislike about this current batch of OSU women's players....but just because we don't know literally anything about Washington's players doesn't mean that they're not fantastic humans as well. I don't understand why Plum bothers anyone at all....she's an incredible talent and really fun to watch play. As for her not sharing the ball - Plum is currently averaging more assists per game than Syd is. This whole thread seemed like it was started as a hit job on Plum as if it's her fault she was named POW, which is totally unfair to her. Exactly. I and other Beavers fans would be happy as clams had this been a performance and career by a Beavers player.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 1, 2017 7:45:03 GMT -8
There's nothing to dislike about this current batch of OSU women's players....but just because we don't know literally anything about Washington's players doesn't mean that they're not fantastic humans as well. I don't understand why Plum bothers anyone at all....she's an incredible talent and really fun to watch play. As for her not sharing the ball - Plum is currently averaging more assists per game than Syd is. This whole thread seemed like it was started as a hit job on Plum as if it's her fault she was named POW, which is totally unfair to her. Exactly. I and other Beavers fans would be happy as clams had this been a performance and career by a Beavers player. Don't speak for me. I'd be disappointed that we squandered a late lead and lost a game we should have won because our point guard thought she had to win it singlehandedly.
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Post by nabeav on Feb 1, 2017 8:18:25 GMT -8
Exactly. I and other Beavers fans would be happy as clams had this been a performance and career by a Beavers player. Don't speak for me. I'd be disappointed that we squandered a late lead and lost a game we should have won because our point guard tried to win it singlehandedly. DID YOU WATCH US VS. OREGON ON SUNDAY? SYD singlehandedly won the game for us down the stretch. If she misses one of those 3's are we talking about her trying to play hero ball as we lose to Oregon after having a 10 point lead in the 3rd quarter?
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 1, 2017 9:05:09 GMT -8
Don't speak for me. I'd be disappointed that we squandered a late lead and lost a game we should have won because our point guard tried to win it singlehandedly. DID YOU WATCH US VS. OREGON ON SUNDAY? SYD singlehandedly won the game for us down the stretch. If she misses one of those 3's are we talking about her trying to play hero ball as we lose to Oregon after having a 10 point lead in the 3rd quarter? NO NO NO NO NO! Syd, Gabby, Kolbie, Marie and Breanna ALL made crucial shots and free throws in crunch time to secure the win. Syd did not "singlehandedly" try to win the game. Unlike you, I DID watch the entire game. Sounds like you only watched some "highlights". Breanna scored 7 points in the fourth to Syd's 11.
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Post by beavs6 on Feb 1, 2017 9:59:43 GMT -8
DID YOU WATCH US VS. OREGON ON SUNDAY? SYD singlehandedly won the game for us down the stretch. If she misses one of those 3's are we talking about her trying to play hero ball as we lose to Oregon after having a 10 point lead in the 3rd quarter? NO NO NO NO NO! Syd, Gabby, Kolbie, Marie and Breanna ALL made crucial shots and free throws in crunch time to secure the win. Syd did not "singlehandedly" try to win the game. Unlike you, I DID watch the entire game. Sounds like you only watched some "highlights". Breanna scored 7 points in the fourth to Syd's 11. LOL...Typical and expected. Keep up the good fight and being a Beaver Believer squonk.
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