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Post by ostate on Jan 29, 2017 14:46:22 GMT -8
Anyone know? I'm seeing 23 'commits' which would leave 2 more available unless: - Wallace and Garcia count towards this class - The two returning from LDS missions - We have more than the 25 max allowed Anyone in the know? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 29, 2017 14:59:55 GMT -8
Anyone know? I'm seeing 23 'commits' which would leave 2 more available unless: - Wallace and Gar0cia count towards this class - The two returning from LDS missions - We have more than the 25 max allowed Anyone in the know? We have zero right now and 25 +/- to give... no one has signed, there will be defections as always, there will be RS/greyshirt/walkon statuses to be determined... They'll figure it all out. |
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Post by bhowren on Jan 29, 2017 15:19:34 GMT -8
Actually, some have signed and are already in school! Saying none have signed is incorrect!
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 29, 2017 15:37:28 GMT -8
Anyone know? I'm seeing 23 'commits' which would leave 2 more available unless: - Wallace and Garcia count towards this class - The two returning from LDS missions - We have more than the 25 max allowed Anyone in the know? [ I've seen it mentioned a couple of times now that we are expected to take more than 25 between greyshirts, kids counting against last year, etc. So it could be more like 26-27 total. |
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Post by ostate on Jan 29, 2017 15:43:47 GMT -8
Anyone know? I'm seeing 23 'commits' which would leave 2 more available unless: - Wallace and Garcia count towards this class - The two returning from LDS missions - We have more than the 25 max allowed Anyone in the know? [ I've seen it mentioned a couple of times now that we are expected to take more than 25 between greyshirts, kids counting against last year, etc. So it could be more like 26-27 total. That would make sense, I forgot about Lucas leaving... I wonder if Owens was on scholarship too... and there was Olson who medically retired... It will be interesting to see how it plays out on Wednesday... |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 29, 2017 15:56:32 GMT -8
Actually, some have signed and are already in school! Saying none have signed is incorrect! None of those he was speaking of... and the signees have not been designated any monies as of now... so the 25 +/- limit still applies to this class. |
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Post by bhowren on Jan 29, 2017 17:47:53 GMT -8
Actually, some have signed and are already in school! Saying none have signed is incorrect! None of those he was speaking of... and the signees have not been designated any monies as of now... so the 25 +/- limit still applies to this class. You can't have it both ways! If those guys don't count, there are less than 25 spots left! He said signed, and some JC guys signed! Technically the High School guys that are in school now also signed, but just a Financial Aid Agreement. |
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Post by blackbug on Jan 29, 2017 19:47:28 GMT -8
Anyone know? I'm seeing 23 'commits' which would leave 2 more available unless: - Wallace and Garcia count towards this class - The two returning from LDS missions - We have more than the 25 max allowed Anyone in the know? Emony Robinson the grayshirt started school this term. Josh Bowcut, one of the recruits is expected to go on a mission. No one knows for sure whether the 2 returning missionaries are coming here (I would guess including the coaches). The fact that they have recruited light at linebacker and defensive end makes it look like the staff is expecting the return missionaries to show (although there is not much need in numbers at those positions right now). Wallace does not count toward this year. I am pretty sure Garcia does not as well. There are enough scholarships available to sign 25, the maximum. At least 26 will be signed in my opinion. If they sign more than this there is a good chance the additions will need to be gray shirts. Hope this helps. The exact numbers are hard to determine. |
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Post by osubeavs721 on Jan 29, 2017 22:30:19 GMT -8
Actually, some have signed and are already in school! Saying none have signed is incorrect! None of those he was speaking of... and the signees have not been designated any monies as of now... so the 25 +/- limit still applies to this class. you couldn't be more wrong, all you would have to do is click the link provided and see that there are early enrollees on the list and are counting towards the 25 total. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 29, 2017 22:37:37 GMT -8
None of those he was speaking of... and the signees have not been designated any monies as of now... so the 25 +/- limit still applies to this class. you couldn't be more wrong, all you would have to do is click the link provided and see that there are early enrollees on the list and are counting towards the 25 total. Signed doesn’t necessarily = scholarship. There are ways to get in more than 25 per class... they do not so have to end on scholarship. You're allowed 85 full rides, no splitting schollies, 25 each year for initial counters that are given scholarships... can over-sign to 28 NLIs... but the 129 FBS teams have average roster sizes of 117 players counting players not on scholarship. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 30, 2017 9:02:46 GMT -8
I don't know how many they have to give against the "25" limit, but teams almost always seem to be able to get around that problem. I would assume that the JC guys who signed - Luton, Sattelmaier, and Evans certainly go against LAST year's number, along with Emony Robinson. We were certainly below the scholarship limit last year, so Robinson's delayed entry was not about being over the limit.
The 85 limit is a much better # to look at. As best as I can tell, we had 64 scholarship players with eligibility remaining after the season ended. Owens, Lucas, Olson, and Kearsley are said to have left the team, leaving 60 spots taken. During the Riley era, it was common to sign enough players to be 5-10 over the limit on signing day. Off-season roster churn and signing day DNQs usually kept the # of grayshirts down to 0-2, with the rare exception of 2007 when we took a bunch of grayshirts.
I'm not sure if NCAA rules on "oversigning" have had any effect on how much wiggle room you have on being over the limit on signing day.
I would not be surprised if we have a class of 30 - especially considering this staff's penchant for signing missionaries who certainly don't count against the limits.
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Post by osubeavs721 on Jan 30, 2017 11:05:04 GMT -8
you couldn't be more wrong, all you would have to do is click the link provided and see that there are early enrollees on the list and are counting towards the 25 total. Signed doesn’t necessarily = scholarship. There are ways to get in more than 25 per class... they do not so have to end on scholarship. You're allowed 85 full rides, no splitting schollies, 25 each year for initial counters that are given scholarships... can over-sign to 28 NLIs... but the 129 FBS teams have average roster sizes of 117 players counting players not on scholarship. When they are 4* and 3* guys yes it does. Preferred walk-ons aren't signing early and enrolling. Get real. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 30, 2017 12:18:45 GMT -8
Signed doesn’t necessarily = scholarship. There are ways to get in more than 25 per class... they do not so have to end on scholarship. You're allowed 85 full rides, no splitting schollies, 25 each year for initial counters that are given scholarships... can over-sign to 28 NLIs... but the 129 FBS teams have average roster sizes of 117 players counting players not on scholarship. When they are 4* and 3* guys yes it does. Preferred walk-ons aren't signing early and enrolling. Get real. LOL... I'll forgive you your ignorance since you've never been in the biz or coached kids signing D1 NLIs... there are many 3-4* kids not on a "football" scholly for many reasons... wealthy parents and offer to accept "scholly" in word only, have excellent academic rides/grants/minority schollies, sharing schollies with another sport (although football typically takes the load) are just some of the examples of ways you can save on the limit of 85. The NLI limit is for those who sign... walkons or kids going to greyshirt do not sign NLIs, but certainly can enroll early if they qualify for admittance to the university. Who qualifies under the 2016 class, who gets and how many of the 85 schollies are allotted will be decided by May 31st. You can have over 28 in a class, but only 28 NLIs signed by the may deadline. At that time Spring practice is over for those on campus, you know the status of those expected for Fall camp, etc. There is lots of "play" in how and when you allot the 85 and the time frame varies by how a staff uses it and what their "plans" are. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 30, 2017 13:21:53 GMT -8
When they are 4* and 3* guys yes it does. Preferred walk-ons aren't signing early and enrolling. Get real. LOL... I'll forgive you your ignorance since you've never been in the biz or coached kids signing D1 NLIs... there are many 3-4* kids not on a "football" scholly for many reasons... wealthy parents and offer to accept "scholly" in word only, have excellent academic rides/grants/minority schollies, sharing schollies with another sport (although football typically takes the load) are just some of the examples of ways you can save on the limit of 85. The NLI limit is for those who sign... walkons or kids going to greyshirt do not sign NLIs, but certainly can enroll early if they qualify for admittance to the university. Who qualifies under the 2016 class, who gets and how many of the 85 schollies are allotted will be decided by May 31st. You can have over 28 in a class, but only 28 NLIs signed by the may deadline. At that time Spring practice is over for those on campus, you know the status of those expected for Fall camp, etc. There is lots of "play" in how and when you allot the 85 and the time frame varies by how a staff uses it and what their "plans" are. While I do believe that all of those possibilities are in play, I believe that they are VERY rare - except for the multiple sport thing, in which I believe Football is FORCED to eat the scholarship. In all practical respects, the scholarship count and the NLIs will be a 1:1 match. I've been "counting" the scholarships for this team for many years, and in that time, I do not believe the secret football/not-really-football scholarship you speak of has occurred in the past 7 years at least, and if it has, they haven't taken advantage of it by offering that extra scholarship to anybody else. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 30, 2017 13:43:55 GMT -8
LOL... I'll forgive you your ignorance since you've never been in the biz or coached kids signing D1 NLIs... there are many 3-4* kids not on a "football" scholly for many reasons... wealthy parents and offer to accept "scholly" in word only, have excellent academic rides/grants/minority schollies, sharing schollies with another sport (although football typically takes the load) are just some of the examples of ways you can save on the limit of 85. The NLI limit is for those who sign... walkons or kids going to greyshirt do not sign NLIs, but certainly can enroll early if they qualify for admittance to the university. Who qualifies under the 2016 class, who gets and how many of the 85 schollies are allotted will be decided by May 31st. You can have over 28 in a class, but only 28 NLIs signed by the may deadline. At that time Spring practice is over for those on campus, you know the status of those expected for Fall camp, etc. There is lots of "play" in how and when you allot the 85 and the time frame varies by how a staff uses it and what their "plans" are. While I do believe that all of those possibilities are in play, I believe that they are VERY rare - except for the multiple sport thing, in which I believe Football is FORCED to eat the scholarship. In all practical respects, the scholarship count and the NLIs will be a 1:1 match. I've been "counting" the scholarships for this team for many years, and in that time, I do not believe the secret football/not-really-football scholarship you speak of has occurred in the past 7 years at least, and if it has, they haven't taken advantage of it by offering that extra scholarship to anybody else. It is possible? yes. But, I would say it is a rare event to be sure. It is more likely a well ranked recruit is willing to walk on to a better school than didn't have room than to be acting altruistically to a school that wanted him. Lastly, there is never a situation where football can get a player that is on scholarship on another sport and absolutely no scholarship sharing whatsoever. Football HAS to own the scholarship, that is the rule the NCAA specifically created to prevent what you speak of. NCAA rules allows for a player in another sport to PRACTICE in football without counting. but once that player enters competition, they must be counted as a football scholarship (if they are scholarship in another sport). |
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