|
|
Post by nabeav on Jan 26, 2017 13:17:41 GMT -8
Angie Machado on JBS right now - She said Calvin may have miscalculated by not honoring his commitment at the All American Bowl. Said some of his offers have dried up and now he's picking between Nebraska and Washington State, and that Washington State wasn't even on his radar a month ago, which wasn't Wazzu one of the hats on the table at the All American Bowl? Also, it sounded to me like Neb. was always his top school, so this info seems to not jive with that.
|
|
|
|
Post by TheGlove on Jan 26, 2017 13:30:49 GMT -8
Or you look at the calendar and realize it's 10 days til signing day and you need to fill out a class and figure out which homes to go visit ASAP. Rather not wait til last call to figure out who you're going home with. Like most middle of the road and below teams we're scrambling a bit right now. You're hoping to keep your key commits, keeping in touch/ praying for a big flip or two, and scrambling to find under the radar talent that needs some "love". Recruiting is a complete crap shoot. Once they're signed no matter how big the coup, they still have to perform. The difference is that the "big boys" have more high level 3/4/5* "crap to throw at the wall" hence, more "sticks". We can't afford to have any actual signees not be contributors. It's just so funny to me that there is an entire industry built on the complete nonsense of a bunch of 18 y/os and their astute decision making. And worse yet fans that put a lot of importance on it and the so called "rankings" of said BS. The evaluations of these kids is rarely in person, if so rarely on multiple occasions, based on play vs mostly less than D1 talent... and often from guys who aren't good enough to actually coach. It's simply their paycheck and they live off the obvious recruiting talents that are really no brainers. Being a recruiting "guru" is a great gig. Rate players without truly "seeing" them, do some phone interviews with coach who has a vested interest in being the developer of such talent, and rarely be called on being wrong! "Flops" are always about the kid or college coaches fault. About like being a political "expert"... never a scoreboard to keep track of all the BS spouted, just the occasional "hit". The only way to "rank" a kid or class is after they have, or have not contributed on a D1 football field. Does it really matter if a kid is a 2* and is a stud? A 5* and doesn’t pan out for whatever reason? Is it a flop or just poor evaluations in the first place? And what does it matter if your classes are in the top 30 if it doesn't produce W's? GA's issue so far, IMHO, is not recruiting numbers and ranking. It's actually having a system to recruit to and sticking with it... specifically on offense. Is the Moran or the new JC the QB prototype? What is the type of OL you want? Other than defensive personnel and a plethora of WR the classes have no real pattern of developing a system. Nor have the coaches shown a great ability in player development. Seems that this year needs to show some real signs of developing players to a "plan". You can't just keep recruiting athletes and have to teach them how to play new positions at the college level. has this recruiting stuff dialed in. Especially his comments about the industry. Teen boy stalking. The level of attention given to these kids is way over the top. I'll admit that I enjoy signing day. It's exciting to see the next class actually sign on the dotted line. I'll also cop to getting excited when a 4 or 5 star guy "verbals" even though I know it can change 24 hours later. But other than that, I try to not put much attention into the recruiting game except for moderating the boards here at bennyshouse.com. |
|
|
|
Post by nforkbeav on Jan 26, 2017 13:54:05 GMT -8
Angie Machado on JBS right now - She said Calvin may have miscalculated by not honoring his commitment at the All American Bowl. Said some of his offers have dried up and now he's picking between Nebraska and Washington State, and that Washington State wasn't even on his radar a month ago, which wasn't Wazzu one of the hats on the table at the All American Bowl? Also, it sounded to me like Neb. was always his top school, so this info seems to not jive with that. Wasn't there an article on here quoting his mom as saying, Nebraska is where his heart is, but he was torn between his favorite and somewhere closer to his family. When he put on the Beaver hat his decision was made out of consideration to family travel and not what program he felt the best about. Who knows if that's truly the case, but most of his actions since the AA game look to support that account. If so, how can anyone dog the kid. Makes a decision he feels is best for his family, family realized that's not where his heart is. Kid then decommits from OSU and contacts N only to find out they made alternate plans after he surprised them with his OSU announcement. They're still interested, but acted on another player. If other player goes Nebraska then Calvin goes WSU. If other players goes somewhere else Calvin goes Nebraska. |
|
|
|
Post by 93beav on Jan 26, 2017 14:21:38 GMT -8
Angie Machado on JBS right now - She said Calvin may have miscalculated by not honoring his commitment at the All American Bowl. Said some of his offers have dried up and now he's picking between Nebraska and Washington State, and that Washington State wasn't even on his radar a month ago, which wasn't Wazzu one of the hats on the table at the All American Bowl? Also, it sounded to me like Neb. was always his top school, so this info seems to not jive with that. Wasn't there an article on here quoting his mom as saying, Nebraska is where his heart is, but he was torn between his favorite and somewhere closer to his family. When he put on the Beaver hat his decision was made out of consideration to family travel and not what program he felt the best about. Who knows if that's truly the case, but most of his actions since the AA game look to support that account. If so, how can anyone dog the kid. Makes a decision he feels is best for his family, family realized that's not where his heart is. Kid then decommits from OSU and contacts N only to find out they made alternate plans after he surprised them with his OSU announcement. They're still interested, but acted on another player. If other player goes Nebraska then Calvin goes WSU. If other players goes somewhere else Calvin goes Nebraska. Still not understanding, though...if Neb actually did say "Hey we're going with another player after OSU announcement" why not just bounce back to OSU? Why go WSU? Pretty sure OSU would welcome him still with open arms. |
|
|
|
Post by osubeavs721 on Jan 26, 2017 14:35:26 GMT -8
Wasn't there an article on here quoting his mom as saying, Nebraska is where his heart is, but he was torn between his favorite and somewhere closer to his family. When he put on the Beaver hat his decision was made out of consideration to family travel and not what program he felt the best about. Who knows if that's truly the case, but most of his actions since the AA game look to support that account. If so, how can anyone dog the kid. Makes a decision he feels is best for his family, family realized that's not where his heart is. Kid then decommits from OSU and contacts N only to find out they made alternate plans after he surprised them with his OSU announcement. They're still interested, but acted on another player. If other player goes Nebraska then Calvin goes WSU. If other players goes somewhere else Calvin goes Nebraska. Still not understanding, though...if Neb actually did say "Hey we're going with another player after OSU announcement" why not just bounce back to OSU? Why go WSU? Pretty sure OSU would welcome him still with open arms. Sounds like the staff doesn't want him back after the decommitment. |
|
|
|
Post by nforkbeav on Jan 26, 2017 15:00:50 GMT -8
Still not understanding, though...if Neb actually did say "Hey we're going with another player after OSU announcement" why not just bounce back to OSU? Why go WSU? Pretty sure OSU would welcome him still with open arms. Sounds like the staff doesn't want him back after the decommitment. Because he put on the hat, I think people are losing sight of the fact OSU was/is not where he wanted to go. He put that hat on for the family not him. Once family realized that, they removed that concern for him so he's going with where his heart is and that was never OSU apparently. Once coaches realized that I'm sure they did back off as well. |
|
|
|
Post by seastape on Jan 26, 2017 17:40:38 GMT -8
Like most middle of the road and below teams we're scrambling a bit right now. You're hoping to keep your key commits, keeping in touch/ praying for a big flip or two, and scrambling to find under the radar talent that needs some "love". Recruiting is a complete crap shoot. Once they're signed no matter how big the coup, they still have to perform. The difference is that the "big boys" have more high level 3/4/5* "crap to throw at the wall" hence, more "sticks". We can't afford to have any actual signees not be contributors. It's just so funny to me that there is an entire industry built on the complete nonsense of a bunch of 18 y/os and their astute decision making. And worse yet fans that put a lot of importance on it and the so called "rankings" of said BS. The evaluations of these kids is rarely in person, if so rarely on multiple occasions, based on play vs mostly less than D1 talent... and often from guys who aren't good enough to actually coach. It's simply their paycheck and they live off the obvious recruiting talents that are really no brainers. Being a recruiting "guru" is a great gig. Rate players without truly "seeing" them, do some phone interviews with coach who has a vested interest in being the developer of such talent, and rarely be called on being wrong! "Flops" are always about the kid or college coaches fault. About like being a political "expert"... never a scoreboard to keep track of all the BS spouted, just the occasional "hit". The only way to "rank" a kid or class is after they have, or have not contributed on a D1 football field. Does it really matter if a kid is a 2* and is a stud? A 5* and doesn’t pan out for whatever reason? Is it a flop or just poor evaluations in the first place? And what does it matter if your classes are in the top 30 if it doesn't produce W's? GA's issue so far, IMHO, is not recruiting numbers and ranking. It's actually having a system to recruit to and sticking with it... specifically on offense. Is the Moran or the new JC the QB prototype? What is the type of OL you want? Other than defensive personnel and a plethora of WR the classes have no real pattern of developing a system. Nor have the coaches shown a great ability in player development. Seems that this year needs to show some real signs of developing players to a "plan". You can't just keep recruiting athletes and have to teach them how to play new positions at the college level. at one point I enjoyed the recruiting game - it was something to keep me occupied between the bowl game and spring ball, watch hudl film and keep track of how our commits were doing during their senior season - but after a couple of seasons, I realized it was a pretty messy process and a lot of these kids you are looking forward to seeing play never make it in. Now I just have too much going on in my life personally to pay attention to it - I am lucky if I get to sit down and watch the game these days. Recruiting can drive you batty if you follow it too closely. Looking back, I think the most enjoyable off-season time for me was 15-25 years ago. In mid-late June, Athlon, Lindy's and the Sporting News would publish their college football and Pac 10 football annuals. Each mag had great lists: All American, All Conference, Top 25, Conference rankings and predictions. There would be conference rankings for position groups. There would be a list of the recruiting class and each recruit's accolades coming in. That was the only time I would hear about recruits and I think it was actually more enjoyable to see who the Beavs got in the end as opposed to tracking it from summer to early February every year.
Hmm...perhaps I'll go back to that.
|
|
|
|
Post by ag87 on Jan 26, 2017 20:12:00 GMT -8
I attended OSU from 1983 to 1987. Those years, earlier, and then some later, you learned who signed where from the Oregonian and or the Journal. The day after signing they'd have a huge list with all the Pac-8,10, Big Sky and WAC teams. Then there'd be some others listed of local interest (like perhaps the CHS qb who signed with Alabama.) Because I was at least semi-geeky I'd always be surprised that some guy who I saw at high school games signed at a powerhouse or dropped to Idaho State.
|
|
youngbuckbeav
Freshman
Im probably hungry right now...
Posts: 179 
|
Post by youngbuckbeav on Jan 27, 2017 10:06:03 GMT -8
Calvin just committed to Nebraska. I hope it snows every game and his family has a hard time traveling to the games and that he ends up sitting out a year and transfers to OSU. Im not bitter...
|
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Jan 27, 2017 10:13:38 GMT -8
Calvin just committed to Nebraska. I hope it snows every game and his family has a hard time traveling to the games and that he ends up sitting out a year and transfers to OSU. Im not bitter... Maybe he's really into collecting multiple images of himself in different unis, then he'll really decide?? |
|
|
|
Post by osubeavs721 on Jan 27, 2017 10:24:37 GMT -8
Calvin just committed to Nebraska. I hope it snows every game and his family has a hard time traveling to the games and that he ends up sitting out a year and transfers to OSU. Im not bitter... Maybe he's really into collecting multiple images of himself in different unis, then he'll really decide?? That made me laugh a little too much. To the ones who are bitter he isn't with us, we don't want guys who don't want fully to be here. I wish this kid the best at Nebraska. |
|
|
|
Post by spudbeaver on Jan 27, 2017 10:41:41 GMT -8
Calvin just committed to Nebraska. I hope it snows every game and his family has a hard time traveling to the games and that he ends up sitting out a year and transfers to OSU. Im not bitter... There's a book I could get through. Very short chapters! |
|
|
|
Post by beavadelic on Jan 27, 2017 12:04:57 GMT -8
Calvin just committed to Nebraska. I hope it snows every game and his family has a hard time traveling to the games and that he ends up sitting out a year and transfers to OSU. Im not bitter... There's a book I could get through. Very short chapters! Ha-ha....no kidding. I realize that this guy - just like every other high school prospect until Feb. 2, has every right to change his mound a dozen times if he wants. Calvin did nothing wrong, even if decommitting from Nebraska and choosing OSU on national TV, then flipping back to Nebraska makes him look kinda flaky. My problem isn't with kids changing their minds. As much as I hate getting my hopes up with an exciting committ, then seeing them flip or even after signing never even suit up for us, verbals are just that. What I wish would happen is that a "commitment" would actually become a commitment. I would love it if a kid's "yes" had to remain a yes (allowing for a flip due to family illness or a change in the coaching staff). On the other side of that, the coaches would be required to honor their commitment to the athlete - at least giving them one year guaranteed in order to prove that they had recovered from an injury (the exception being that they didn't have an obvious career-ender or simply that they would not qualify) Before anyone jumps me for my naïveté or whatever, I'll say that I understand that this would never happen, and there are probably several good reasons. All I know is that as a Beaver fan, I'd rather see a kid wait until November, weigh all his options and make a FINAL decision that he sticks with, than watch the rollercoaster wafflefest that goes on. It's nail biting until signing day just to make sure that our commitments actually are Beavers, in addition to the painful process of seeing how many signees actually even make it into school, let alone fulfill potential! For some it's all just part of the process, for me it's too much drama. I'd rather save the drama for on the field in the fall! |
|
|
|
Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 27, 2017 12:52:00 GMT -8
Or you look at the calendar and realize it's 10 days til signing day and you need to fill out a class and figure out which homes to go visit ASAP. Rather not wait til last call to figure out who you're going home with. Like most middle of the road and below teams we're scrambling a bit right now. You're hoping to keep your key commits, keeping in touch/ praying for a big flip or two, and scrambling to find under the radar talent that needs some "love". Recruiting is a complete crap shoot. Once they're signed no matter how big the coup, they still have to perform. The difference is that the "big boys" have more high level 3/4/5* "crap to throw at the wall" hence, more "sticks". We can't afford to have any actual signees not be contributors. It's just so funny to me that there is an entire industry built on the complete nonsense of a bunch of 18 y/os and their astute decision making. And worse yet fans that put a lot of importance on it and the so called "rankings" of said BS. The evaluations of these kids is rarely in person, if so rarely on multiple occasions, based on play vs mostly less than D1 talent... and often from guys who aren't good enough to actually coach. It's simply their paycheck and they live off the obvious recruiting talents that are really no brainers. Being a recruiting "guru" is a great gig. Rate players without truly "seeing" them, do some phone interviews with coach who has a vested interest in being the developer of such talent, and rarely be called on being wrong! "Flops" are always about the kid or college coaches fault. About like being a political "expert"... never a scoreboard to keep track of all the BS spouted, just the occasional "hit". The only way to "rank" a kid or class is after they have, or have not contributed on a D1 football field. Does it really matter if a kid is a 2* and is a stud? A 5* and doesn’t pan out for whatever reason? Is it a flop or just poor evaluations in the first place? And what does it matter if your classes are in the top 30 if it doesn't produce W's? GA's issue so far, IMHO, is not recruiting numbers and ranking. It's actually having a system to recruit to and sticking with it... specifically on offense. Is the Moran or the new JC the QB prototype? What is the type of OL you want? Other than defensive personnel and a plethora of WR the classes have no real pattern of developing a system. Nor have the coaches shown a great ability in player development. Seems that this year needs to show some real signs of developing players to a "plan". You can't just keep recruiting athletes and have to teach them how to play new positions at the college level. Great post. For a school like OSU it's far more about developing talent than securing it, because we're never going to get 8 to 10 4 or 5 star recruits every cycle. |
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 27, 2017 13:01:53 GMT -8
8 to 10? I'd think 4 to 5 would be an OSU first. It just may happen this year.
|
|
