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Post by hof99 on Jan 5, 2017 11:59:24 GMT -8
He is focused on headlines , not on actual performance. "Hey everyone, look at me , I'm as busy as a phony can be". It is like when you have a staff meeting, at work, there is always that one guy in the room that wants to dominate all of the discussions and take credit for everyone else's work. But, when it comes to his action items - he says " I am still working on that one"..... month after month after month. He sure has Goe wrapped around his middle finger. I find Goe the least informed and least rational sports reporter in the area. He must be a duck grad because he treats them like every move they make is 'magical'. Look to the Hoke hiring follow up... he was so far off base it was laughable. Best, by far, is Kerry Eggers. Balanced, actually has some inside contacts, writes actual stories based on facts and gets it right a lot more often than he gets it wrong. I don't know about Canzano - I 'think' he has limited insider contacts ( burned bridges at both schools), so he resorts to that 'un-named source style - which can be either a lucky guess or a big swing and a miss. Additionally, his article about HS basketball and West Linn seemed to have a personal side to it, like he was calling someone out - or hitting at some unethical parenting... hard to tell, but sure raised some people's ire.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 5, 2017 16:24:20 GMT -8
Not only that, but offering 4/5* kids who are verbally committed somewhere else - and those programs are generally in much better shape at the moment. Now I get that kids change commitments all the time and all's fair in war, but you have to cast an awful wide net to fill out the rest of your class going that route at this stage in the game. I'm sure they'll get a couple kids to flip, but they've got a lot of spots left to fill in this class. Sort of like us offering a Colorado commit today? Again, I'm all for hating on the Ducks for legitimate reasons, but I really feel like we're reaching right now on this Taggart deal. If you want to go after Leavitt for laying hands on a player at USF, I've got no problem with that. But to say a guy is desperate for offering players committed to other schools is just ridiculous.
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Post by hof99 on Jan 5, 2017 16:50:13 GMT -8
Here is the difference - most of Beaver nation did not even know about this offer. If it was slick Willie, it would have his photo and columns of praise from indulgent duck fans for being such a go getter. It's also not an offer from USC or Norte Dame that we are competing against . The ducks are putting a kids opportunity for an education at risk, by trying to do the shoe schmooze and, quite purposely, ditching the kids future. Hey Willie, for some of these kids and families, it is not alll about you and some football. If he wants to do things this way, he should do it quietly and under the radar. The kids are the ones that pay the ultimate price for their choices. He does not need to put their decisions under a microscope for all to see, and for years to come. I keep thinking about Colt Lyerla. He ended up choosing the worst place to play football - Eugene is loaded with people and temptations that are not good environments for kids that need a more controlled situation. He made a bad decision, got tons of bad publicity and has paid the price. If you were applying for different jobs, I don't think you want to be 'lured' into a situation that you will later regret because it ruins your whole career. If you are gullible and impressed by promises over substance, that is how you mess up your career and it follows you for a long time afterwards.
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 5, 2017 17:55:39 GMT -8
Not only that, but offering 4/5* kids who are verbally committed somewhere else - and those programs are generally in much better shape at the moment. Now I get that kids change commitments all the time and all's fair in war, but you have to cast an awful wide net to fill out the rest of your class going that route at this stage in the game. I'm sure they'll get a couple kids to flip, but they've got a lot of spots left to fill in this class. Sort of like us offering a Colorado commit today? Again, I'm all for hating on the Ducks for legitimate reasons, but I really feel like we're reaching right now on this Taggart deal. If you want to go after Leavitt for laying hands on a player at USF, I've got no problem with that. But to say a guy is desperate for offering players committed to other schools is just ridiculous. Very different circumstances. This is not MULTIPLE offers to 4*/5* kids. This is a kid with a connection to a coach that has moved to OUR #1 rival. This is not 3,4,5, ? how many offers to kids...kids committed to multiple historical top 5-10 type programs. Not Colorado. But once again you have the opportunity to take a shot at OSU in a veiled effort. Not even close to a valid comparison, except in your and your few supporters on this site's minds. How are the multiple offers reported in the Big O for oregon compared to an offer by OSU. 10%...20%? Reach all you want to compare, really more a house of cards arguement.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 5, 2017 18:52:08 GMT -8
Here is the difference - most of Beaver nation did not even know about this offer. If it was slick Willie, it would have his photo and columns of praise from indulgent duck fans for being such a go getter. It's also not an offer from USC or Norte Dame that we are competing against . The ducks are putting a kids opportunity for an education at risk, by trying to do the shoe schmooze and, quite purposely, ditching the kids future. Hey Willie, for some of these kids and families, it is not alll about you and some football. If he wants to do things this way, he should do it quietly and under the radar. The kids are the ones that pay the ultimate price for their choices. He does not need to put their decisions under a microscope for all to see, and for years to come. I keep thinking about Colt Lyerla. He ended up choosing the worst place to play football - Eugene is loaded with people and temptations that are not good environments for kids that need a more controlled situation. He made a bad decision, got tons of bad publicity and has paid the price. If you were applying for different jobs, I don't think you want to be 'lured' into a situation that you will later regret because it ruins your whole career. If you are gullible and impressed by promises over substance, that is how you mess up your career and it follows you for a long time afterwards. No... the real difference is Beaver fan looking for any reason to hate the ucks. This is ridiculous. Point being, most on here are in the loop, I am in the loop, but do not search out items to just hate on the ucks. Knew zero of all this supposed Taggart publicity until I come here. Most just skip over uck news. But oh no, not this stupid thread. Holy cow, we won the CW, they fired maybe the only coach in their staff with any integrity... actually leading to firing rise with none... they make what seems to be a questionable if not weird hire. But, thus entire thread of WT being all about "look at me" is ludicrous and quite frankly embarrassing. Glove... why is this still in this thread? This is not about Beaver football, OSU, and enough is enough. Really? WT is the "look at me" one here? Jeez, some on here need to grow up.
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 5, 2017 20:08:56 GMT -8
Here is the difference - most of Beaver nation did not even know about this offer. If it was slick Willie, it would have his photo and columns of praise from indulgent duck fans for being such a go getter. It's also not an offer from USC or Norte Dame that we are competing against . The ducks are putting a kids opportunity for an education at risk, by trying to do the shoe schmooze and, quite purposely, ditching the kids future. Hey Willie, for some of these kids and families, it is not alll about you and some football. If he wants to do things this way, he should do it quietly and under the radar. The kids are the ones that pay the ultimate price for their choices. He does not need to put their decisions under a microscope for all to see, and for years to come. I keep thinking about Colt Lyerla. He ended up choosing the worst place to play football - Eugene is loaded with people and temptations that are not good environments for kids that need a more controlled situation. He made a bad decision, got tons of bad publicity and has paid the price. If you were applying for different jobs, I don't think you want to be 'lured' into a situation that you will later regret because it ruins your whole career. If you are gullible and impressed by promises over substance, that is how you mess up your career and it follows you for a long time afterwards. No... the real difference is Beaver fan looking for any reason to hate the ucks. This is ridiculous. Point being, most on here are in the loop, I am in the loop, but do not search out items to just hate on the ucks. Knew zero of all this supposed Taggart publicity until I come here. Most just skip over uck news. But oh no, not this stupid thread. Holy cow, we won the CW, they fired maybe the only coach in their staff with any integrity... actually leading to firing rise with none... they make what seems to be a questionable if not weird hire. But, thus entire thread of WT being all about "look at me" is ludicrous and quite frankly embarrassing. Glove... why is this still in this thread? This is not about Beaver football, OSU, and enough is enough. Really? WT is the "look at me" one here? Jeez, some on here need to grow up. I would suggest trying to read for content, not offense. Someone that is as educated, intelligent, wise, connected, and travelled as you are should not be offended by the statements in this thread. Instead of running to a monitor to ask for retraction, use your self-gratification in knowing the staff and athletes like you do to buffer you from those that are beneath your knowledge. When they go low, you should go high. Plebians do not have the common sense to stay on the high road. They take a more animalistic stance vs a rival. Especially a rival as despicable as oregon has been to OSU. Animalistic instincts are way below a more cultured perspective such as you posses. For me...I'm tired of seeing the new uo head coach portrayed in my low level local media medium(I realize it is not on your radar) as being a wonder kind on the recruiting trail. He seems to be all-worldly enough to offer 5* athletes. Lots of them. Then when OSU offers a kid (1 kid), my team I prefer to follow, is portrayed as being on the same level by those that claim to love the same team I do. In the off season-leading up to the final month until LOI day-IMHO, all of this seems to be in the relm of being Beaver related.(Wow, guess I CAN still learn from others. LOL)
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Post by hof99 on Jan 5, 2017 20:10:40 GMT -8
Out of the loop baseball Apparently you only read what you post. Watch the news, read the news - get informed. If you have not seen, or heard of the embarrassing coverage of everything ducky - you are hiding under a rock somewhere. The point is that OSU ALWAYS GETS SHORT SHRIFT FROM THE Oregonian, while the ducks are Oregon's team and when they blow their noses, it's front page news. The real question is why you bother to post anything when you have no idea what is going on... and it is getting worse. Pay attention !
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Post by hof99 on Jan 5, 2017 20:24:16 GMT -8
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Post by nabeav on Jan 5, 2017 21:30:28 GMT -8
I love the Beavs. You love the Beavs. Everyone on this board loves the Beavs. You know who doesn't? A majority of people in Oregon. Small wonder the newspaper caters to the majority of people. www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/4i51df/rcfb_fan_map/Personally, I've never found the Oregonian's coverage of Oregon State lacking. They have two beat writers assigned to the program, and they crank out a ton of content. Andrew Nemec, the recruiting writer, is FAR more complimentary towards Gary Andersen's efforts recruiting than he has been to Oregon lately. Hell, he wrote a whole column about how Oregon got full of itself and lazy in recruiting a few weeks ago. It's ok to have a bias. Most fans do. The entire state of Wisconsin thinks Joe Buck and Troy Aikman are out to get Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers. I'm not buying that it's somehow more arrogant to offer a 4* committed to another school than it is to offer a 3* committed elsewhere. My rule of thumb is that if I think something the Ducks did is arrogant or just plain dumb, I ask myself if I would cringe if the Beavs did it. Putting a billboard up in Times Square? I'd cringe. Roboduck? See Randy the Logger. Floating a rumor you might play a game in Beijing? I remember how irritated I was when the news leaked that OSU was trying to play a basketball game on the White House lawn. But offering a player that is really good, and then capitalizing on press touting that you're going after really good players? That's just smart. That's what everyone liked about Andersen I thought.....that he was unafraid to recruit high profile players and go toe to toe with schools that were maybe a step above us in the pecking order. Much like OSU needed a perception shift from "doing more with less" and "Corvallis is not a destination," OSU fans will be much better off when we stop caring so much about every little thing the Ducks do and start treating them with the indifference their fan base has shown us for so many years
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 5, 2017 21:41:47 GMT -8
Sort of like us offering a Colorado commit today? Again, I'm all for hating on the Ducks for legitimate reasons, but I really feel like we're reaching right now on this Taggart deal. If you want to go after Leavitt for laying hands on a player at USF, I've got no problem with that. But to say a guy is desperate for offering players committed to other schools is just ridiculous. Very different circumstances. This is not MULTIPLE offers to 4*/5* kids. This is a kid with a connection to a coach that has moved to OUR #1 rival. This is not 3,4,5, ? how many offers to kids...kids committed to multiple historical top 5-10 type programs. Not Colorado. But once again you have the opportunity to take a shot at OSU in a veiled effort. Not even close to a valid comparison, except in your and your few supporters on this site's minds. How are the multiple offers reported in the Big O for oregon compared to an offer by OSU. 10%...20%? Reach all you want to compare, really more a house of cards arguement. Exactly right Beav6. I didn't think it was very hard to see the difference but I didn't think of the NABeavs out there. My point was it's going to be hard to fill out an entire class going after all the 5 stars committed elsewhere at this late stage in the game. Seems pretty straight forward... thought even he could follow that one.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 5, 2017 22:14:14 GMT -8
I just don't know how you know that they're only going after 5* committed kids.....looking at oregonlive recruiting stories in the past days there's one about a 3* safety including UO in his top 6, a 3* TE who has an official visit that was once committed to Tennessee but isn't any longer, one about the offer to 4* Arizona QB commit Burmeister (so there you go), an offer to a 4* uncommitted linebacker from Hawaii, and then one about two RBs setting visits - one a USC commit (another feather in your cap) and the other a former Clemson commit that opened his recruiting back up last month.
I follow you just fine - you're just looking at the information you want to see. Yes, they're offering bigtime recruits committed elsewhere, but that's hardly all they are doing. Any time there's a coaching change, recruiting is going to be tougher and you're probably going to have to reach a little bit.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 5, 2017 22:58:20 GMT -8
No... the real difference is Beaver fan looking for any reason to hate the ucks. This is ridiculous. Point being, most on here are in the loop, I am in the loop, but do not search out items to just hate on the ucks. Knew zero of all this supposed Taggart publicity until I come here. Most just skip over uck news. But oh no, not this stupid thread. Holy cow, we won the CW, they fired maybe the only coach in their staff with any integrity... actually leading to firing rise with none... they make what seems to be a questionable if not weird hire. But, thus entire thread of WT being all about "look at me" is ludicrous and quite frankly embarrassing. Glove... why is this still in this thread? This is not about Beaver football, OSU, and enough is enough. Really? WT is the "look at me" one here? Jeez, some on here need to grow up. I would suggest trying to read for content, not offense. Someone that is as educated, intelligent, wise, connected, and travelled as you are should not be offended by the statements in this thread. Instead of running to a monitor to ask for retraction, use your self-gratification in knowing the staff and athletes like you do to buffer you from those that are beneath your knowledge. When they go low, you should go high. Plebians do not have the common sense to stay on the high road. They take a more animalistic stance vs a rival. Especially a rival as despicable as oregon has been to OSU. Animalistic instincts are way below a more cultured perspective such as you posses. For me...I'm tired of seeing the new uo head coach portrayed in my low level local media medium(I realize it is not on your radar) as being a wonder kind on the recruiting trail. He seems to be all-worldly enough to offer 5* athletes. Lots of them. Then when OSU offers a kid (1 kid), my team I prefer to follow, is portrayed as being on the same level by those that claim to love the same team I do. In the off season-leading up to the final month until LOI day-IMHO, all of this seems to be in the relm of being Beaver related.(Wow, guess I CAN still learn from others. LOL) Obviously it's you that needs to read for content... where in my post did I day I was offended? But, you two make our point for us. You spend more time posting on the uck coach than Beaver material. And, really, who cares about what a uck coach does with recruiting? It's recruiting for gawds sake. A lot of coaches do crazy things to garner attention... pre-game, half time, post game, practices, and yep recruiting. This guy doesn't even budge the needle except in some small worlds...LMAO
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 6, 2017 8:24:13 GMT -8
I just don't know how you know that they're only going after 5* committed kids.....looking at oregonlive recruiting stories in the past days there's one about a 3* safety including UO in his top 6, a 3* TE who has an official visit that was once committed to Tennessee but isn't any longer, one about the offer to 4* Arizona QB commit Burmeister (so there you go), an offer to a 4* uncommitted linebacker from Hawaii, and then one about two RBs setting visits - one a USC commit (another feather in your cap) and the other a former Clemson commit that opened his recruiting back up last month. I follow you just fine - you're just looking at the information you want to see. Yes, they're offering bigtime recruits committed elsewhere, but that's hardly all they are doing. Any time there's a coaching change, recruiting is going to be tougher and you're probably going to have to reach a little bit. You're pretty much talking to the same people who said Riley never offered highly sought kids and was only after lower ranked kids without looking at the actual offer list.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 6, 2017 8:54:49 GMT -8
And I'm alright with people posting that as long as they can back it up with some sort of source or fact. The idea that we never won recruiting battles against other pac-12 schools just wasn't true. According to Rivals, our 2012 class (which would be the guys that either just graduated or finished last year) the following guys had offers from other Power-5 schools:
Tyler Hasty Zack Robinson Cade Cowdin Chris Brown Kendall Hill Garrett Weinreich Grant Bays Caleb Smith Isaac Seumalo Brent VanderVeen Gavin Andrews Malik Gilmore
I also left off a few guys who only received offers from Wazzu, because some on this board think they don't count. Caleb Saulo, who turned out be a dang good player, had no other offers from P5 schools.
The thing that's so funny to me is that there is always some sort of "yeah, but...." associated with any guy we get or don't get based on your point of view. We get a guy that everyone wants like Seumalo and it's "yeah, but his dad coached here." We get a guy like Brandin Cooks and it's "yeah, but he was undersized, so how badly did these other schools want him really?" Conversely, we win a competition for a guy like Shurod Thompson and it's "yeah, but he never got into school," or we get a 2* lightly recruited guy like Andy Levitre who becomes an NFL player and it's "yeah, but nobody else wanted him anyway!" Everyone's trying to fit their own narrative, and that includes me.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 6, 2017 9:45:31 GMT -8
I am paying for an Oregonian subscription Why do you hate money?
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