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Post by arminious on Dec 12, 2016 12:40:03 GMT -8
Just got done watching some of his tape and i'm pretty impressed. He has got a complete gun for an arm. He can throw well on the run. Knows how to put touch on the ball which we haven't seen in a while at OSU, and has a decent deep ball. I know it's just JC but he looks pretty legit. Surprised he doesn't have more offers, guess there is a reason i'm not a college coach . Looking forward to the QB battle.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 12, 2016 15:59:44 GMT -8
First issue is he thinks he has a "gun". He's above average, but certainy no cannon. Leads to...
Second issue... because of #1 he often throws late and allows DBs to recover. If you watch more than highlights he has many openings that are defended when there should be no play.
Third, because of #1/#2 he has WAY too many TOs for that level of competition. INTs and fumbles are way high.
He has a ton to prove versus D1 caliber athletes.
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Jake Luton
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Post by osulax24 on Dec 12, 2016 16:14:49 GMT -8
I watched his highlights a couple weeks ago and was not very impressed. Footwork looks shoddy and he throws late and off back foot almost 90% of the time. Also, he is playing against some weak defenses so I doubt he would put up those kind of TD's vs the PAC. We need depth so a good pick up, but McM is the future.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 12, 2016 17:34:40 GMT -8
First issue is he thinks he has a "gun". He's above average, but certainy no cannon. Leads to... Second issue... because of #1 he often throws late and allows DBs to recover. If you watch more than highlights he has many openings that are defended when there should be no play. Third, because of #1/#2 he has WAY too many TOs for that level of competition. INTs and fumbles are way high. He has a ton to prove versus D1 caliber athletes. I agree the INTs are way to high for JC football. and I'd buy that it is due in part to having bad habits from a strong JC level arm that works out to being probably an average to good P5 arm. But, you never know the whole story. I haven't seen extensive video on the guy at all.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 12, 2016 19:32:25 GMT -8
First issue is he thinks he has a "gun". He's above average, but certainy no cannon. Leads to... Second issue... because of #1 he often throws late and allows DBs to recover. If you watch more than highlights he has many openings that are defended when there should be no play. Third, because of #1/#2 he has WAY too many TOs for that level of competition. INTs and fumbles are way high. He has a ton to prove versus D1 caliber athletes. Not to mention I'd hope he'd be able to complete 60% of his passes at that level unless Norv Turner is his OC. 56%? yikes.
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 13, 2016 8:10:21 GMT -8
I can't think of too many guys who went JC to Pac-12 and made an instant impact - Aaron Rodgers spent 1 year at Butte.. to a lesser extent Adams and I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple guys.
I'm just happy to have more depth as we've seen that in our offense, QBs are going to take some hits. Let's get him here, into spring ball, have a great QB competition and see where everything falls into place. (and my inside voice is saying GA - please pick a guy...the right guy... and stick with him)
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Post by obf on Dec 13, 2016 9:41:16 GMT -8
I still ride with McM! However the stable of QB's is growing and interesting... Marcus McMaryion -- Should clearly be the starter going into spring ball... Improved over his starting experience, finally showed a willingness (maybe coaches told him not to?) to pull the ball and run in the zone read play making it way more effective... Clearly of the passes we have actually seen thrown in games has the best arm, accuracy, decision making, etc. in the pass game. Darell Garretson -- Boy we sure thought he was the answer before the year... For as bad as his passing was to end his year he looked great in the spring game, especially throwing... An efficient 263 yards and 3 touchdowns against a Beaver secondary that turned out to be pretty good... Plus he has the best feel for the zone read and is a good runner. I see why the coaches pegged him as the starter and stuck with him until he got hurt, he flashed the potential... But at this point I think his time as an OSU QB is over, we don't need a 1 year stop gap QB next year, we need to be grooming the next long term starter at OSU. Also it is not a guarantee that he makes it back from his broken ankle in time to even start the 2017 football season. Sean Harlow had a similar injury at a similar time and we saw how long it took him to come back and he almost red shirted the season over it. Conor Blount -- I knew nothing of him coming into the season, and even after a few flashes and a few flops in a couple games... still no pretty much nothing about him He fits the mold of young and will be around for a while to be more than a 1 year starter, but even Rivals knows nothing about him, not even rating him... At this point I assume he is well back in line for potential starter and a very long shot, injury emergency. Mason Moran -- The forgotten prospect... Successfully redshirted, many people thought he would win the job from DG to start the 2016 season and force us to play a true freshman! He is the real wild card in this all, as no one has really seen him and so we don't know if he is a hidden gem that the coaches managed to resist all temptation and keep him red shirted or if he underwhelmed and never really pushed for the job... (Rivals rating: 5.7, 3 star) Jake Luton -- Like everyone else nothing in his stats or in his highlight package scream MUST START, to me. If he comes in and blows the coaches socks off then cool, but he shouldn't get a thumb on the scale just because he is new. Hopefully he provides some great competition for 3M and 2M and makes every one better in the process. He does have 2 years left so he isnt just a 1 year stop gap. (Rivals rating: 5.6, 3 star) Aidan Willard -- A pro-style commit, that again I don't know much about, but wasn't very highly lauded or talked about during recruiting. Unlike Moran who everyone was excited about... If he doesn't de-commit I assume he red shirts to get accustomed to the program. (Rivals Rating: 5.5, 3 star) If my memory serves correctly we really pushed and got Luton when DG broke his ankle (DG broke his ankle Oct 15... Luton committed [via twitter at least] Oct 20). So the coaches hadn't seen the maturation of McM yet. I am guessing the Luton was a slight reach out of desperation for a stop gap QB for 2017. But then 3M cemented himself and now I think it is his job to lose. The more interesting thing to see is where Mason fits in to it all... I f he really is a 4 year starter heir apparent then he needs to start getting game time. Other wise 3M is the ManManMan SO there you go. Marcus is the presumptive starter, Luton is the fallback option who could still have some upside if he comes in really balling, and Moran is the wildcard.
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Post by obf on Dec 13, 2016 9:45:49 GMT -8
Also wouldn't surprise me at all if a couple of those guys end up leaving the program... Luton and Willard could still flip their commitments, Conor could transfer and DG could retire / start his coaching career (has he graduated yet?)
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 13, 2016 9:50:03 GMT -8
Also wouldn't surprise me at all if a couple of those guys end up leaving the program... Luton and Willard could still flip their commitments, Conor could transfer and DG could retire / start his coaching career (has he graduated yet?) Yeah. I agree with your other post assessment that Luton was maybe a bit of a kneejerk grab. I don't want to be a debbie downer or anything but he does not scream D-1 ready player to me. With DG and 3M now and young Moran with 4 years still (and Blount...), we are set up to focus on HS talent, not immediate help. I will not lie, I think this is a bit of a head scratching grab. Is he worth a scholarship? I'd really like to see us focus on 3M growing in his last two years and having Moran right behind him for a quality two years. I think that would be ideal for OSU. or a situation similar to that with any other young prospect we get. Other than overall depth, I am not seeing the value of grabbing a JC QB with questionable, at best, stats for his level of competition.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 13, 2016 10:16:30 GMT -8
Also wouldn't surprise me at all if a couple of those guys end up leaving the program... Luton and Willard could still flip their commitments, Conor could transfer and DG could retire / start his coaching career (has he graduated yet?) Yeah. I agree with your other post assessment that Luton was maybe a bit of a kneejerk grab. I don't want to be a debbie downer or anything but he does not scream D-1 ready player to me. With DG and 3M now and young Moran with 4 years still (and Blount...), we are set up to focus on HS talent, not immediate help. I will not lie, I think this is a bit of a head scratching grab. Is he worth a scholarship? I'd really like to see us focus on 3M growing in his last two years and having Moran right behind him for a quality two years. I think that would be ideal for OSU. or a situation similar to that with any other young prospect we get. Other than overall depth, I am not seeing the value of grabbing a JC QB with questionable, at best, stats for his level of competition. It’s just another sign pointing to how little faith the coaching staff had in 3M. He went from being the co-starter in game one of 2015, to being relegated to playing only when he was the last man standing. Twice he’s been theoretically “in line” to be the starting QB, only to have the 3rd QB leap-frog him into the starting job. The good news is, Marcus has really shown he’s the only QB in the last 2 years to look like he has any ability to make D-I level QB throws. He looked pretty rough in some of his early games, but absolutely killed it vs Arizona. I would hope that the coaches recognize that he’s earned it, but he’s been demoted twice before.
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 13, 2016 10:16:44 GMT -8
Also wouldn't surprise me at all if a couple of those guys end up leaving the program... Luton and Willard could still flip their commitments, Conor could transfer and DG could retire / start his coaching career (has he graduated yet?) Luton has indicated that he's signing tomorrow, so I think he's as solid as can be. Willard - I think he's solid as well. Has visited a couple times, and he's the only HS QB in the class. He's really under the radar, was hurt most of his senior year/team didn't win much this season, not recruited very heavily in part because he committed to us way back in May of last year. Really no idea what to expect... He did run a veer offense, but passed some as well.
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Post by obf on Dec 13, 2016 10:20:48 GMT -8
I will not lie, I think this is a bit of a head scratching grab. Is he worth a scholarship? </snip> Other than overall depth, I am not seeing the value of grabbing a JC QB with questionable, at best, stats for his level of competition. Having just lived through 2 of the worst Quarterbacked years in school HISTORY (except for 3M late this last season), and that is saying something since OSU was a triple option school for a long time , I think we can definitely use all the QB talent we can get. Even if Luton never plays it is nice to have a backup who isn't a walk on freshman, and has a bit of upside. I wouldn't turn him away. Totally agreed that this is the preferred path. Injuries and surprises happen, but I assume this is the path forward the coaches envision as well.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 13, 2016 10:21:53 GMT -8
Poor Ol' Luton might as well hang 'em up if he reads the expert analysis here! Go sell shoes, kid!
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Post by obf on Dec 13, 2016 10:26:56 GMT -8
It’s just another sign pointing to how little faith the coaching staff had in 3M. He went from being the co-starter in game one of 2015, to being relegated to playing only when he was the last man standing. Twice he’s been theoretically “in line” to be the starting QB, only to have the 3rd QB leap-frog him into the starting job. The good news is, Marcus has really shown he’s the only QB in the last 2 years to look like he has any ability to make D-I level QB throws. He looked pretty rough in some of his early games, but absolutely killed it vs Arizona. I would hope that the coaches recognize that he’s earned it, but he’s been demoted twice before. Yeah the treatment of 3M has been... odd. Although I will admit that after his 2015 play I too was very surprised to see how well McM matured and played down the stretch of 2016. Of course I have been completely won over now and hopefully the coaches have too.
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Post by obf on Dec 13, 2016 10:28:23 GMT -8
Poor Ol' Luton might as well hang 'em up if he reads the expert analysis here! Go sell shoes, kid! Maybe Luton will pull a Dak Prescott and totally steal the show! I don't think anyone here would complain
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