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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 13, 2016 10:29:19 GMT -8
Poor Ol' Luton might as well hang 'em up if he reads the expert analysis here! Go sell shoes, kid! Al Bundy raised a family that way...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 12:16:12 GMT -8
Poor Ol' Luton might as well hang 'em up if he reads the expert analysis here! Go sell shoes, kid! RIGHT? Its astonishing how much qb coaching expertise is packed into this thread.
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Post by beavs6 on Dec 13, 2016 13:45:49 GMT -8
Also wouldn't surprise me at all if a couple of those guys end up leaving the program... Luton and Willard could still flip their commitments, Conor could transfer and DG could retire / start his coaching career (has he graduated yet?) Luton has indicated that he's signing tomorrow, so I think he's as solid as can be. Willard - I think he's solid as well. Has visited a couple times, and he's the only HS QB in the class. He's really under the radar, was hurt most of his senior year/team didn't win much this season, not recruited very heavily in part because he committed to us way back in May of last year. Really no idea what to expect... He did run a veer offense, but passed some as well. Are we discussing Willard or Herbert? I don't know anything about Willard, but if he was hurt and is actually a baller...it could be similar to the Herbert situation. He had a broken leg (I think) at Sheldon and basically fell into the ucks lap.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 13, 2016 14:33:30 GMT -8
Poor Ol' Luton might as well hang 'em up if he reads the expert analysis here! Go sell shoes, kid! RIGHT? Its astonishing how much qb coaching expertise is packed into this thread. Seems like pretty basic football/QB observations... not sure anyone said he CAN'T succeed, or WON'T... pretty obvious shortcomings when you watch more that highlight reels and look at stats versus a pretty weak JC league.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 13, 2016 14:50:56 GMT -8
Poor Ol' Luton might as well hang 'em up if he reads the expert analysis here! Go sell shoes, kid! RIGHT? Its astonishing how much qb coaching expertise is packed into this thread. I watched him run enough routes to form a final, unshakable, opinion.
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Post by jimbeav on Dec 13, 2016 15:33:21 GMT -8
Clearly, 3M has shown the most success of any QB on our roster, save Moran who is untested. I have no doubt there are many QBs out there who could do better, and it sounds like our coaches are still keen on finding and utilizing one.
However, at this point 3M has something that you can't coach: experience. And he's used that experience to show clear improvement and progression; by his senior year, we could all be surprised how much of a weapon he is. Even if we go out and get a hot blue-chip QB recruit, or Luton comes in and is on fire, or Moran bulks up in the weight room and impresses in the spring, I just think you have to set a VERY high bar for anybody supplanting 3M as the starter.
Our schedule is set up for a decent start next year, and 3M gives us the best chance to win on day 1 out of any other QB, whether they're currently on our roster or not. I say we ride that horse wherever it takes us.
We are entering the prime years of Ryan Nall, and just like Steven Jackson before him, all you need in the backfield with a generational talent like that is somebody at QB who won't screw up (I love Derek Anderson, but it pains me how many games he lost for us when he had Jackson lining up behind him). Let's not screw around with the next hot prospect or pin our hopes on sky-high potential. I am perfectly OK with a backfield of McMaryion and Nall for the next 2 years, and then we can break in our next hotshot QB for Pierce's senior year.
GO BEAVS!
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Post by seastape on Dec 13, 2016 16:01:29 GMT -8
Clearly, 3M has shown the most success of any QB on our roster, save Moran who is untested. I have no doubt there are many QBs out there who could do better, and it sounds like our coaches are still keen on finding and utilizing one. However, at this point 3M has something that you can't coach: experience. And he's used that experience to show clear improvement and progression; by his senior year, we could all be surprised how much of a weapon he is. Even if we go out and get a hot blue-chip QB recruit, or Luton comes in and is on fire, or Moran bulks up in the weight room and impresses in the spring, I just think you have to set a VERY high bar for anybody supplanting 3M as the starter. Our schedule is set up for a decent start next year, and 3M gives us the best chance to win on day 1 out of any other QB, whether they're currently on our roster or not. I say we ride that horse wherever it takes us. We are entering the prime years of Ryan Nall, and just like Steven Jackson before him, all you need in the backfield with a generational talent like that is somebody at QB who won't screw up (I love Derek Anderson, but it pains me how many games he lost for us when he had Jackson lining up behind him). Let's not screw around with the next hot prospect or pin our hopes on sky-high potential. I am perfectly OK with a backfield of McMaryion and Nall for the next 2 years, and then we can break in our next hotshot QB for Pierce's senior year. GO BEAVS! Agree with you here, jimbeav. MacMaryion has had the best production by far of any QB for the past two years and even had three very good-to-excellent games last year against WSU, UA and the yucks. I don't really care if it was three of the weakest defenses in the Pac 12; they were still good games. His stats for the Arizona game were outstanding, no matter how bad Arizona's D was. I believe someone on these boards pointed out it was the most efficient game at the FBS level in five years. That's saying a lot.
MacMaryion seems to be coming into his own. He should be named the started until someone beats him out. And by that I mean they really have to prove that they are beyond him, not just be a little better in practice.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 13, 2016 16:31:59 GMT -8
Clearly, 3M has shown the most success of any QB on our roster, save Moran who is untested. I have no doubt there are many QBs out there who could do better, and it sounds like our coaches are still keen on finding and utilizing one. However, at this point 3M has something that you can't coach: experience. And he's used that experience to show clear improvement and progression; by his senior year, we could all be surprised how much of a weapon he is. Even if we go out and get a hot blue-chip QB recruit, or Luton comes in and is on fire, or Moran bulks up in the weight room and impresses in the spring, I just think you have to set a VERY high bar for anybody supplanting 3M as the starter. Our schedule is set up for a decent start next year, and 3M gives us the best chance to win on day 1 out of any other QB, whether they're currently on our roster or not. I say we ride that horse wherever it takes us. We are entering the prime years of Ryan Nall, and just like Steven Jackson before him, all you need in the backfield with a generational talent like that is somebody at QB who won't screw up (I love Derek Anderson, but it pains me how many games he lost for us when he had Jackson lining up behind him). Let's not screw around with the next hot prospect or pin our hopes on sky-high potential. I am perfectly OK with a backfield of McMaryion and Nall for the next 2 years, and then we can break in our next hotshot QB for Pierce's senior year. GO BEAVS! 3M must simply be awful during practice, that's the only thing I can think of. He's one of those kids that shines under real game-time pressure. Based on what we've seen from 4 different QBs the past two years, it's a no brainer which one not only is best, but if you consider his lack of experience, has serious potential upside. I'm a little worried Luton comes in with guns blazing and becomes a coach favorite during practice, and they forget all about how clutch 3M was in several games this year, and last too if you include the Civil War.
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Post by blackbug on Dec 13, 2016 16:48:10 GMT -8
A couple of notes to put some thoughts in this thread in context (according to my opinion). Luton played as a true freshman at Idaho. I saw him play in a game on TV and although he and his team were over matched I was somewhat impressed by his skills even though his inexperience showed. When Idaho decided to go down to FCS from FBS he decided to transfer through community college. Luton is considered the 4th best pro style quarterback in JC. The OSU staff decided they needed better depth at quarterback through JC and found the 4th best in the ranks long before he was even ranked in the JC division. A 15 interception number does not mean nearly as much when you compare it to 40 touchdowns and 462 attempted passed. I would still prefer to see a lower number interceptions. He also, definitely improved over the season with interceptions being the biggest improvement. I agree that 56% completion is not ideal, but you have to compare it as well. He led his league in completion percentage, which gives an idea of receiver quality versus secondary quality in the entire league. Luton completed 65% of his passes at Idaho (not a huge sample size), but this gives a bigger picture of his accuracy.
Concerning Blount, I would guess that the fact 2 quarterbacks are in this class indicates that he will continue as a walkon until more playing time and performance dictate earning a scholarship. Ideally I think most teams would like to have 1-2 walkon quarterbacks on roster. This puts the number at 5 scholarship quarterbacks next year and not 6 when the staff is trying to manage scholarship staffing. I definitely do not think this number is overkill. Another big question to me is whether Blount uses this last year as a redshirt as he definitely played less than 25% the season. I do not ever see recruiting 2 quarterbacks in a class as a slight to any of the existing quarterbacks.
I think that good competition is healthy and I think that the players we have at quarterback can handle it. I am looking forward to 3M competing as the penciled in starter (right now to me every starter is penciled in as things change) and showing us how he has continued to improve. I am also looking forward to the other quarterbacks competing and showing improvement. Luton will be very intriguing to watch. I am actually excited to see Garretson compete as I think a lot of his accuracy issues may have been fluky, he actually has a lot more data from the past that shows he can be much more accurate.
Next year should be fun.
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Post by rockybeav on Dec 13, 2016 19:51:31 GMT -8
A couple of notes to put some thoughts in this thread in context (according to my opinion). Luton played as a true freshman at Idaho. I saw him play in a game on TV and although he and his team were over matched I was somewhat impressed by his skills even though his inexperience showed. When Idaho decided to go down to FCS from FBS he decided to transfer through community college. Luton is considered the 4th best pro style quarterback in JC. The OSU staff decided they needed better depth at quarterback through JC and found the 4th best in the ranks long before he was even ranked in the JC division. A 15 interception number does not mean nearly as much when you compare it to 40 touchdowns and 462 attempted passed. I would still prefer to see a lower number interceptions. He also, definitely improved over the season with interceptions being the biggest improvement. I agree that 56% completion is not ideal, but you have to compare it as well. He led his league in completion percentage, which gives an idea of receiver quality versus secondary quality in the entire league. Luton completed 65% of his passes at Idaho (not a huge sample size), but this gives a bigger picture of his accuracy. Concerning Blount, I would guess that the fact 2 quarterbacks are in this class indicates that he will continue as a walkon until more playing time and performance dictate earning a scholarship. Ideally I think most teams would like to have 1-2 walkon quarterbacks on roster. This puts the number at 5 scholarship quarterbacks next year and not 6 when the staff is trying to manage scholarship staffing. I definitely do not think this number is overkill. Another big question to me is whether Blount uses this last year as a redshirt as he definitely played less than 25% the season. I do not ever see recruiting 2 quarterbacks in a class as a slight to any of the existing quarterbacks. I think that good competition is healthy and I think that the players we have at quarterback can handle it. I am looking forward to 3M competing as the penciled in starter (right now to me every starter is penciled in as things change) and showing us how he has continued to improve. I am also looking forward to the other quarterbacks competing and showing improvement. Luton will be very intriguing to watch. I am actually excited to see Garretson compete as I think a lot of his accuracy issues may have been fluky, he actually has a lot more data from the past that shows he can be much more accurate. Next year should be fun. I want to see 3M enter the year as the starter. I think he deserves it the way he played, with limited time working with the first team. That being said, I have NO PROBLEM adding depth and competition for any position. Remember, earlier this year we were one play away from having to burn Moran's redshirt. Nothing wrong with bringing in a JC guy to compete for the starting job. I doubt GA is going to hand over the keys to the offense unless Luton is absolutely lights out in practice, spring game, etc. If Luton is signing on to try to win the job, good for him. He could have found another program if he was threatened by 3M's recent performances. I like the fact he's willing to come in and fight for a job. As for Garretson, I know that the USU beat writer talked about how surprised they were to see his deep throw issues. I don't know if it's a case of "the yips" or what, but he clearly didn't have it last year. I personally think his time as a starter is over. Again, it doesn't hurt the team to have him as a backup. He's shown to be a fairly effective runner at least. SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by zebraworks on Dec 13, 2016 22:58:24 GMT -8
to a degree isn't the completions and interception numbers also a factor of the receivers? Makes one wonder how well they performed with their routes and catching the ball. I feel sorry for QB's who take a hit in stats when their own guys run the the wrong route or ball bounces off their hands or pads into the defense!
Not saying that is the case because I have never heard anything from those who would know (fans who know his team).
Thing is that irregardless of how good some of the defenses were this year some of our QB's didn't have the accuracy to throw a completion to open receivers that were even behind the DB's covering them! frustrating. McM had a real bad game himself as I recall but overall his passes looked incredible in comparison to the others. I can't wait to see how accurate Luton is.
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Post by vhalum92 on Dec 14, 2016 8:26:33 GMT -8
I read today that Solomon from Arizona is going to transfer. I believe he is going to be a graduate transfer. I'm not saying he is coming here... but the thought did cross my mind....
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 14, 2016 10:09:45 GMT -8
I read today that Solomon from Arizona is going to transfer. I believe he is going to be a graduate transfer. I'm not saying he is coming here... but the thought did cross my mind.... Wouldn't want to even think about getting on that cycle. Graduate transfers are for teams ready to compete at a high level who don't already have people in place. OS is still in development, and we have numbers at QB. Solomon "can" be good, but he's not a great Division I QB.
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