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Post by justdamwin on Nov 27, 2016 21:01:52 GMT -8
I am NOT making up facts. Why do you think Riley was given a nudge to either get his act together or else. He took the 'Or else' - good for him. I have several season tickets in all Beaver sports, and donate heavily to athletics as well as academics. In Rileys last two years, when I did go - the booing was the loudest noise in the stadium GUARANTEED! I, along with many other 'more than fans' were ready to dump the ticket and the donation 'investments'. The numbers were mounting up in the season ticket losses and there, at least, had to be a discussion' with MR nice guy. The revisionist history is for people like you that look back at these years and say everything was perfect. Anyone that actually invests in the programs and had to sit through that product he put on the field knows better. From an unbiased source in cfbstats.com, over the last 5 years of Riley, he had attendance below 40,000 fans twice. 1 time was the rescheduled Nicholls state game in 2012. The other time was against Hawaii at home in 2013. Gary Andersen, has had attendance OVER 40,000 only twice in 2 years. This Civil War that was just played and versus Boise State this year as well. The point is, no matter how much you want to close your eyes and pretend fans were leaving in droves, they were not. and in fact, Mike Riley leaving and Gary Andersen taking over did not spike attendance as one would expect from your position, that fans were fed up with Riley. Fans did not rejoice and come out in droves... But all that aside, i am simply going to say this: Why the hell is there even a thread bagging on Riley after a Civil War win? seriously? That is where you mind goes? good grief. Don't let facts get in the way of the story. It'll be interesting to see if booster dollars do roll in. |
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Post by osulax24 on Nov 27, 2016 21:54:10 GMT -8
Iowa 40- #18 Riley 10... yawn. Riley sucks get over it!
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 27, 2016 22:18:43 GMT -8
I am NOT making up facts. Why do you think Riley was given a nudge to either get his act together or else. He took the 'Or else' - good for him. I have several season tickets in all Beaver sports, and donate heavily to athletics as well as academics. In Rileys last two years, when I did go - the booing was the loudest noise in the stadium GUARANTEED! I, along with many other 'more than fans' were ready to dump the ticket and the donation 'investments'. The numbers were mounting up in the season ticket losses and there, at least, had to be a discussion' with MR nice guy. The revisionist history is for people like you that look back at these years and say everything was perfect. Anyone that actually invests in the programs and had to sit through that product he put on the field knows better. . I'm not sure why people have to make comparisons at all. If you've been a season-ticket holding fan for any period of time, you have to admit that Riley did amazing things for this program. I can buy the "things had gotten stale" argument, but I don't know if it's a generational difference or what. Some of you seem so bent on proving that Riley wasn't a good coach that you can't just allow for that, wish him well and move on. The revisionist history that I observe is ignoring that the Beavs had the 3rd of 4th most wins in this conference for nearly 10 years, we went to bowls nearly every year and won most. This guy came in and changed our culture, handed it off to DE when he - like most good coaches at the D1 level would - chose to move to the highest level and give that a shot. DE finished the transformation, and when Riley returned he picked right up and gave us a lot of good football while placing a boatload of young men in the NFL. After getting it wrong for a quarter of a century, when we hired Mike Riley in '97, we got it right, and nobody can convince me otherwise. Riley did this with character. People could wish he'd be a raving lunatic on the sidelines. We could wish he'd be less loyal and dump weak assistants. We could complain about losing to hole 7 straight years, understandable even given that some of the losses to them were epic and that was a string of hole teams that were historically strong by most standards. There is nothing wrong with wanting change, but I get tired of people trying to reinforce their view by taking shots at a guy. The oh-so-clever barbs about his personality, the ripping on his tendencies, the claims that he'd lost his players or finding joy when he has had a bad game at Nebraska. These silly "Riley's team wouldn't have won that game in that circumstance" type of comments are ridiculous. It seems like some people have a hard time letting it go. I'm happy for Coach Riley and his fresh start, but I'm even more happy for our program, and some signs of life. I'm not talking in comparison to Riley's last couple of teams, I'm talking in comparison with last season's woeful excuse for a team and the one that didn't look like it had a pulse earlier this year in Boulder. I'm seeing improvement, and that's all I need right now. I was stoked when I heard that GA was coming, but admit that I was getting frustrated with a feeling during the first part of '16 that we were no better than the '15 team was, which was one of the 5 or 6 worst D1 teams in the country. I was rankled when the anti-Riley crowd tried to insinuate that we were somehow better off now, because to that point GA hadn't proven that to me and our team was a mess. I was so happy to see our kids competing so much better the last half of the season, including 3 PAC 12 wins and finally breaking through yesterday in the Civil War. I am very excited for the future. I don't know how good we'll become or how long GA will stick around, but we are trending up and it's great. Maybe next fall we can discuss our program in the here and now. It would be nice to discuss the current coaches, players and opponents. 2017 can be good, bad, or whatever without comments about Riley weaseled into the conversation, either how he would have done better or worse. Continuing to beat a dead horse is not appealing, especially on a sports message board. Let's leave that to politicians, who seem to be more intent on tearing others down than focusing on the real issue. |
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 27, 2016 22:30:31 GMT -8
The point is, no matter how much you want to close your eyes and pretend fans were leaving in droves, they were not. Yes, they were. Droves would be an understatement. Do you know why the 2015 attendance numbers plummeted? You think those would have been better under Riley? Try the opposite. You're absolutely delusional. I'm 100% sure that a coach who kept attendance at 41-45K for 10+ years would NOT have had a drop-off of 7,000 per game in ONE season because so many people all at once felt he "lost it". I think we all understand who has the delusions here. |
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Post by electricbeaver on Nov 27, 2016 23:37:16 GMT -8
First: i am a CGA skeptic.
I am totally happy that the team thrashed the ucks.
But until the final touchdown was scored with less than two minutes to go, i was still wondering how this coaching staff was going to screw this game up. Would they go away from what was successful? Would they return to the 'one running play, two incomplete passes, and a punt' play calling of the previous 9-10 games? As we go forward, what will the pattern be? Will the team go through another agonizing 'let's have two quarterbacks' situation? Will we see another round of dumping on the quarterback that actually moves the team, and trying someone who can run but can't pass worth a damn?
Those questions, and others, still are troublesome as I sit and ponder them.
On the other hand: maybe the defensive coordinator has a good handle on the job. One of the statistics Jim Wilson gave during the game was that no team had converted a 3rd and long (greater than 10 yards) the whole season. I was taken aback. I did not realize the defense had done that! I was not sure whether that meant most teams gained so many yards they never needed a long third down play, or that the defense had improved measurably from last year.
I will admit I am impressed how well the defense played in spite of the cascade of injuries for DL. LB, and secondary players. I will admit I am impressed that the defense played well enough that the team was within a score or two in the fourth quarter of most of their games. They were not getting blown out.
I continually hope the Beavs will improve so that next year's win/loss record is much improved. I hope the offense becomes more cohesive and consistent. I wouldn't care if the team became a grind-it-out offense that just wears defenses out and crushes them with multiple 1000 yard backs, and only throw the ball 10-20 times a game, if that brings wins. The last half of the 3rd quarter and the fourth were a thing of beauty.
Thank you Beavers, for the win! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you.
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Post by beavsaregood on Nov 28, 2016 5:07:57 GMT -8
Mike Riley did great things at OSU. He brought the program back. We went to bowl games. Lots of bowl games. His vitae is incredible. MR gets it. He's a local guy. MR went to Corvallis HS. His dad was an assistant coach for the Beavs. He understands the unique situation at OSU. MR did what he could and for the most part, he did very well. So, I wouldn't speak ill of the guy that basically pulled a program out of the dark ages. Yes. He dropped off a bit as of late but as frustrated as I was at the time, I understood that we were so lucky to have him. And some times, you hit a rough patch every now and then especially with a smaller program like the Beavs.
So now we have CGA and he's a solid coach. A breath of fresh air. But...were the players under MR not tough or smart .......is what some of you are questioning/saying?! The players under CGA play harder and smarter? Smarter?? You know playing HARD but making mistakes........not gonna get you Ws ..........Hey, CGA has his kids playing hard. Heck. I even said it. And you know what? 4-8. Last I checked we still don't have many Ws under CGA. And as stated earlier, MR never pulled an ofer in pac-12 play like CGA did last year or have this horrible two year record.
Recruiting. CGA is now a great recruiter? Right now, he's not. His three top recruits last year were Simi Kuli - esque. .....and his prior year's class had some of the most talented recruits going on missions and I don't think they'll ever come back. So, to me, at this time, his recruiting is a NOT GOOD. So, we'll see if he can recruit a Jacquizz Rogers, James Rogers, Sean Mannion, Canfield, Jordan Poyer, Sammy Stroughter, etc to the Beavs and DEVELOP them onto the next level - NFL.
Basically, what I'm saying is MR did great things for our Beavs. And now we don't know what we have with CGA (other than some people think CGA has his players playing harder). It looks as though we're improving..........actually I know so. I hope the Beavs do great things under CGA. And still the Beavs are not bowl bound with a 4-8 record (2-10 in 2015). Under MR, the odds were that the Beavs will go bowling somewhere. The last few years were tough but, I knew MR will eventually get the Beavs bowlin' as in years past. So, CGA seems to be staked with a little more $$/support to build a program that does a little more than go to the Humanitarian Bowl or Cereal Bowl.......and heck, I'm on board. I have to be. Lets remember though that we've only just begun. ..........Carpenters song? And CGA has done a lot........maybe, but, in terms of Ws/Ls, not much.
I thank MR for bringing cred to Beaver Nation. And to me, CGA has some big shoes to fill. And I hope he can do it. I want him to do it.
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Post by beaverintheberg on Nov 28, 2016 7:22:03 GMT -8
Could this now pointless thread please be locked???
Onward!!
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 28, 2016 8:00:22 GMT -8
Mike Riley did great things at OSU. He brought the program back. We went to bowl games. Lots of bowl games. His vitae is incredible. MR gets it. He's a local guy. MR went to Corvallis HS. His dad was an assistant coach for the Beavs. He understands the unique situation at OSU. MR did what he could and for the most part, he did very well. So, I wouldn't speak ill of the guy that basically pulled a program out of the dark ages. Yes. He dropped off a bit as of late but as frustrated as I was at the time, I understood that we were so lucky to have him. And some times, you hit a rough patch every now and then especially with a smaller program like the Beavs. So now we have CGA and he's a solid coach. A breath of fresh air. But...were the players under MR not tough or smart .......is what some of you are questioning/saying?! The players under CGA play harder and smarter? Smarter?? You know playing HARD but making mistakes........not gonna get you Ws ..........Hey, CGA has his kids playing hard. Heck. I even said it. And you know what? 4-8. Last I checked we still don't have many Ws under CGA. And as stated earlier, MR never pulled an ofer in pac-12 play like CGA did last year or have this horrible two year record. Recruiting. CGA is now a great recruiter? Right now, he's not. His three top recruits last year were Simi Kuli - esque. .....and his prior year's class had some of the most talented recruits going on missions and I don't think they'll ever come back. So, to me, at this time, his recruiting is a NOT GOOD. So, we'll see if he can recruit a Jacquizz Rogers, James Rogers, Sean Mannion, Canfield, Jordan Poyer, Sammy Stroughter, etc to the Beavs and DEVELOP them onto the next level - NFL. Basically, what I'm saying is MR did great things for our Beavs. And now we don't know what we have with CGA (other than some people think CGA has his players playing harder). It looks as though we're improving..........actually I know so. I hope the Beavs do great things under CGA. And still the Beavs are not bowl bound with a 4-8 record (2-10 in 2015). Under MR, the odds were that the Beavs will go bowling somewhere. The last few years were tough but, I knew MR will eventually get the Beavs bowlin' as in years past. So, CGA seems to be staked with a little more $$/support to build a program that does a little more than go to the Humanitarian Bowl or Cereal Bowl.......and heck, I'm on board. I have to be. Lets remember though that we've only just begun. ..........Carpenters song? And CGA has done a lot........maybe, but, in terms of Ws/Ls, not much. I thank MR for bringing cred to Beaver Nation. And to me, CGA has some big shoes to fill. And I hope he can do it. I want him to do it. Simi Kuli = Keysar Soze |
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 28, 2016 8:13:35 GMT -8
From an unbiased source in cfbstats.com, over the last 5 years of Riley, he had attendance below 40,000 fans twice. 1 time was the rescheduled Nicholls state game in 2012. The other time was against Hawaii at home in 2013. Gary Andersen, has had attendance OVER 40,000 only twice in 2 years. This Civil War that was just played and versus Boise State this year as well. The point is, no matter how much you want to close your eyes and pretend fans were leaving in droves, they were not. and in fact, Mike Riley leaving and Gary Andersen taking over did not spike attendance as one would expect from your position, that fans were fed up with Riley. Fans did not rejoice and come out in droves... But all that aside, i am simply going to say this: Why the hell is there even a thread bagging on Riley after a Civil War win? seriously? That is where you mind goes? good grief. Don't let facts get in the way of the story. It'll be interesting to see if booster dollars do roll in. In this brave new world of Truthiness, actual facts do not matter. In no point in Riley's entire existence did attendence drop off as much as it did going into 2015. Attendence did not rebound in any meaningful way in 2016 either... |
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Post by nabeav on Nov 28, 2016 8:36:37 GMT -8
That might be the first time we ever got a sold out civil war with the Oregon Band occupying an entire section. Aren't they usually lining a corner of the field?
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 28, 2016 8:59:11 GMT -8
I'm 100% sure that a coach who kept attendance at 41-45K for 10+ years would NOT have had a drop-off of 7,000 per game in ONE season because so many people all at once felt he "lost it". I think we all understand who has the delusions here. What happened previous to 2014 has zero bearing on the 2015 numbers. Do you recall how 2014 finished? OSU iost 6 of their last 7, including going 1-4 in their last 5 home games. Even after 2013 (and a bowl game), the season ticket renewals dropped by thousands. In 2013 and (especially) 2014 OSU was giving away thousands (free) of military tickets for almost every single home game. That inflated the attendance numbers fairly substantially. Also lots of discounted ticket deals for many games. The thing that made the terrible 2015 numbers look (even more) awful was jacking up (thanks BDC) the Pac-12 single game prices to $80/ticket. There were very few discount deals and only one or two home games I believe had the free military tickets (up to 4 per person). The hiring of Andersen stemmed to some degree what would have been an even larger drop of season ticket numbers - had Riley remained. Those are stone cold facts (not conjecture). Please. If you've REALLY got STONE COLD FACTS, present us with the facts. Tell us how many season tickets dropped off between 2014 and 2015. Tell us how many THOUSANDS of free tickets were given away, tell us about all of these discounted ticket deals there were. Otherwise, you're just another guy whose sister-in-law is best friends with someone who works in the ticket office spewing nebulous BS "facts" that you've heard 3rd hand. The only verifiable facts we know are that attendance in 2015 was worse than it was in any of the previous 14 seasons - even seasons pre-expansion. But, please enlighten us with your "insider" knowledge. As for your statement that we lost 6 of the last 7 in 2014 including going 1-4 in the last 5 home games. I suppose you realize that’s exactly 1 game worse than we have done in this current “breakout” season. Should I expect ticket sales to drop again next year? |
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Post by beavineugene on Nov 28, 2016 9:23:33 GMT -8
Recruiting. CGA is now a great recruiter? Right now, he's not. His three top recruits last year were Simi Kuli - esque. .....and his prior year's class had some of the most talented recruits going on missions and I don't think they'll ever come back. So, to me, at this time, his recruiting is a NOT GOOD. So, we'll see if he can recruit a Jacquizz Rogers, James Rogers, Sean Mannion, Canfield, Jordan Poyer, Sammy Stroughter, etc to the Beavs and DEVELOP them onto the next level - NFL. You should follow recruiting a tad bit closer....
And pay attention to some of the true freshman who played in 2015 and 2016.
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Post by biggieorange on Nov 28, 2016 9:59:18 GMT -8
Recruiting. CGA is now a great recruiter? Right now, he's not. His three top recruits last year were Simi Kuli - esque. .....and his prior year's class had some of the most talented recruits going on missions and I don't think they'll ever come back. So, to me, at this time, his recruiting is a NOT GOOD. So, we'll see if he can recruit a Jacquizz Rogers, James Rogers, Sean Mannion, Canfield, Jordan Poyer, Sammy Stroughter, etc to the Beavs and DEVELOP them onto the next level - NFL. You should follow recruiting a tad bit closer....
And pay attention to some of the true freshman who played in 2015 and 2016.
Um, just making it onto the field for a team that has won SO FEW games, isn't a great benchmark. |
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Post by beavineugene on Nov 28, 2016 10:04:21 GMT -8
You should follow recruiting a tad bit closer....
And pay attention to some of the true freshman who played in 2015 and 2016.
Um, just making it onto the field for a team that has won SO FEW games, isn't a great benchmark. Simply just making it on the field, agreed. Making an impact though is a solid benchmark! |
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 28, 2016 11:05:22 GMT -8
There's nothing nebulous about my facts, whatsoever. You can dismiss them all you want. That doesn't make them incorrect - due to not citing you figures that are never publicly released to begin with. I believe that the jacked up ticket prices probably had an effect on ticket sales. But again, unless you have the figures on walk-up sales, it’s nothing more than speculation. The effect could have been thousands, or hundreds. There's absolutely EVERYTHING nebulous about your "facts". Your "facts" are all speculation on figures that are never publicly released. That's the very definition of nebulous. The only fact you've noted is that advance season ticket sales were down between 2015 and 2016. Not even the time-frame we were talking about. |
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