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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 8, 2024 7:38:20 GMT -8
Hey Glove, threads like these are interesting to some but are not about OSU athletes or athletics. Shouldn't they be moved to the RT?
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 8, 2024 8:00:00 GMT -8
Hey Glove, threads like these are interesting to some but are not about OSU athletes or athletics. Shouldn't they be moved to the RT? BH guideline has always been that discussions about former OSU players/coaches, whether transfers or pros, can be discussed in that sports forum. Now with the transfer portal, that's becoming less clear. Players may come and go after one season. So I get your point, but I also don't know the answer.
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 8, 2024 10:41:02 GMT -8
Per the thread title, there's not much more 'prime time' than last years tourney run. She wasn't stellar in the run except against Nebraska, but she was a crucial player during the run.
When OSU was playing well, she often wasn't a scoring leader on last year's team either. That will surely be even more the case this year. But she'll win a lot of games.
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 8, 2024 11:28:19 GMT -8
Talia was a leader on this team and played exceedlenly well, but jumped in 3 days. Very disappointed in her and wonder how much her leadership was responsible for the mass exodus? Also wonder how much Scott blames her for this? Hard to believe that a team that had a good chance to be a final four team imploded. I have seen "probable", "good chance", "likely" , and "certain" in terms of blaming the transfers for breaking up a Final 4 team. So, I was curious and looked it up. All those descriptors are pretty much false unless you are a elite group of schools. And, even then those do not fit the actual results. I took a very quick glance back (10) seasons for all teams to see what the following season results were after making an E8 (losing at that stage): E8 to a F4: (2) Stanford... F4 and CH (1) Notre Dame... CH (1) Louisville... F4 (1) Oregon... F4 E8 to E8: terminal game (7) times... (3) belong to Baylor E8 to Rd 16: terminal game (12) times E8 to Rd 32: terminal game (8) times E8 to No Invite:(9) times So... the chances of just another E8 appearance is far less than "certain", "likely", "probable", etc. Too many things can happen during a season. So they players left, for whatever reason. But, they didn't diffuse a "probable" set tourney finish. And, with all that can/does happen it is why most of the consistent post season success is bunched in a group of 5-6 teams. Of the last (24) titles, 21 have been won by (6) teams: UConn (10) 25/25 postseasons, (20) F4 appearances SCar (3) 14/25 postseasons, last 12 in a row Baylor (3) 22/25 postseasons, last 21 in a row ND (2) 22/25 postseasons, 13 of last 14, (5) times runner's up UT (2) 23/25 postseasons Stanford (1), 25/25 postseasons, (10) Final 4's Of these (6) teams over the last 24 seasons they have "improved" on an E8 appearance 8 of 24 times... (9) were E8 to E8... (3) were E8 to Rd16, (4) were E8 to Rd32. So for even the highly successful programs E8 appearances do not make certain and improvement the following season.
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 8, 2024 13:29:03 GMT -8
Hey Glove, threads like these are interesting to some but are not about OSU athletes or athletics. Shouldn't they be moved to the RT? BH guideline has always been that discussions about former OSU players/coaches, whether transfers or pros, can be discussed in that sports forum. Now with the transfer portal, that's becoming less clear. Players may come and go after one season. So I get your point, but I also don't know the answer. Let's vote on it. If anybody wants to post something about a player in any sport who portaled out, should it be on the Rotating Tap or in that sport's forum. If we do vote, I'm going to choose RT. Agree with Hank on this one.
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 8, 2024 14:31:27 GMT -8
BH guideline has always been that discussions about former OSU players/coaches, whether transfers or pros, can be discussed in that sports forum. Now with the transfer portal, that's becoming less clear. Players may come and go after one season. So I get your point, but I also don't know the answer. Let's vote on it. If anybody wants to post something about a player in any sport who portaled out, should it be on the Rotating Tap or in that sport's forum. If we do vote, I'm going to choose RT. Agree with Hank on this one. Should that also apply to "ex" OSU athletes of all types? MLB, NFL, transfers?? A completely separate Topic area... "Beaver Trails"? I do not care (and I'll keep it to "one" post as it appears that is how you show you don't ) either way. It seems some post wherever anyway and specified threads do not seem to matter which makes more work for The Glove. I know if you are reading a thread of interest it is tough to just skip over random posts you think do not belong, but is it really that big of deal? To make "NCAA" type rules that will be randomly followed and enforcement creates more work for going thru and moving them? I truly think this is a issue for the guy who has to do all the work
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 8, 2024 14:36:27 GMT -8
Then maybe just make a running "transfer update" thread in every sport so we don't have 15 threads about TVO, etc., updating their performance after every single game. Works well for women's soccer, volleyball and cross country on the "Other Sports" page.
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Post by beaveragain on Nov 8, 2024 14:52:31 GMT -8
Talia was a leader on this team and played exceedlenly well, but jumped in 3 days. Very disappointed in her and wonder how much her leadership was responsible for the mass exodus? Also wonder how much Scott blames her for this? Hard to believe that a team that had a good chance to be a final four team imploded. I have seen "probable", "good chance", "likely" , and "certain" in terms of blaming the transfers for breaking up a Final 4 team. So, I was curious and looked it up. All those descriptors are pretty much false unless you are a elite group of schools. And, even then those do not fit the actual results. I took a very quick glance back (10) seasons for all teams to see what the following season results were after making an E8 (losing at that stage): E8 to a F4: (2) Stanford... F4 and CH (1) Notre Dame... CH (1) Louisville... F4 (1) Oregon... F4 E8 to E8: terminal game (7) times... (3) belong to Baylor E8 to Rd 16: terminal game (12) times E8 to Rd 32: terminal game (8) times E8 to No Invite:(9) times So... the chances of just another E8 appearance is far less than "certain", "likely", "probable", etc. Too many things can happen during a season. So they players left, for whatever reason. But, they didn't diffuse a "probable" set tourney finish. And, with all that can/does happen it is why most of the consistent post season success is bunched in a group of 5-6 teams. Of the last (24) titles, 21 have been won by (6) teams: UConn (10) 25/25 postseasons, (20) F4 appearances SCar (3) 14/25 postseasons, last 12 in a row Baylor (3) 22/25 postseasons, last 21 in a row ND (2) 22/25 postseasons, 13 of last 14, (5) times runner's up UT (2) 23/25 postseasons Stanford (1), 25/25 postseasons, (10) Final 4's Of these (6) teams over the last 24 seasons they have "improved" on an E8 appearance 8 of 24 times... (9) were E8 to E8... (3) were E8 to Rd16, (4) were E8 to Rd32. So for even the highly successful programs E8 appearances do not make certain and improvement the following season. A lot on information here. But this all ignores WHO is coming back, just that the team is. OSU was going to have all the players back. Of those teams that didn't even make it back to the tourney the next year how many do you think had all of their players back? It's not the name of the team that's important, it's who is on the team that's important.
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Post by beaveragain on Nov 8, 2024 15:02:04 GMT -8
And on those who dislike talking about former players.
A- It seems pretty easy not to click on something titled "Talia".
B- And as a fan of the team I like to see what's up with former players. This lets me see what it is that Rueck brings to his team. While former U of O players have gone on to much better success after leaving I don't know of a single OSU players that has improved after transferring and mostly they have done markedly worse. I find this interesting.
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 8, 2024 15:32:11 GMT -8
And on those who dislike talking about former players. A- It seems pretty easy not to click on something titled "Talia". B- And as a fan of the team I like to see what's up with former players. This lets me see what it is that Rueck brings to his team. While former U of O players have gone on to much better success after leaving I don't know of a single OSU players that has improved after transferring and mostly they have done markedly worse. I find this interesting. B- until this season has OSU had a "truly talented" player transfer that then underachieved? As far as I can remember they were underachieving here (like Kennedy) or role players at best that had some brief shining moments. I think OSU's "best" previous transfers Taylor... did well at Texas... and Taya was a grad transfer to Duke, not a portal transfer. Maybe I missed someone or you've got a higher opinion of one, but don't see any as dropping off what they showed at OSU?! As for "markedly" better I'm not sure if folks are going to look at team wins/tourney progression or individual/stats as the measure of success. For teams making the E8 or further it takes more than just an transfers input, plus a bunch of good fortune. Plus what are you comparing it to? The fabrication that is they stayed OSU was a team guaranteed the E8 or better? As for the transfers I see only (2), maybe (3) as "elite" difference makers. Hunter was good as a true frosh in SR's system surrounded by talent, but do not see her as mush more than a the starter/role player. The rest... pretty much like the previous defectors... ehhh.
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Post by beaveragain on Nov 8, 2024 18:59:35 GMT -8
"truly talented"? Who is going to decide who that is? You? I don't care who that is, I'm looking all of the players who left.
Destiny- Pretty much identical to playing at OSU.
Morris- Totally bombed after leaving OSU.
Taya- Got hurt and never really got a chance at Duke.
Brown- Overall a little worse at Duke than at OSU.
Jones- Pretty much the same. Little better here, little worse there.
Sasha- Sick, but overall worse.
Savannah- Worse with no improvements.
Greta- Went from a starter to a benchwarmer. And for good reason.
Shalexx- Pretty much everything downhill.
They all either stayed the same or got worse.
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 8, 2024 19:19:46 GMT -8
"truly talented"? Who is going to decide who that is? You? I don't care who that is, I'm looking all of the players who left. Destiny- Pretty much identical to playing at OSU. Morris- Totally bombed after leaving OSU. Taya- Got hurt and never really got a chance at Duke. Brown- Overall a little worse at Duke than at OSU. Jones- Pretty much the same. Little better here, little worse there. Sasha- Sick, but overall worse. Savannah- Worse with no improvements. Greta- Went from a starter to a benchwarmer. And for good reason. Shalexx- Pretty much everything downhill. They all either stayed the same or got worse. Lol... first, you have zero idea how any player would have progressed if they stayed put. It's just fabricated 20/20 hindsight on how they did elsewhere. Sasha... far more than just "sick" than Taya "injured", yet you think one was excusable?! Lol Second, as mentioned none were really any more than they turned out to be. HS hype coming in was high for some, but never showed in D1 ball. SR's fault? So, how you perceive the play elsewhere may have zero to do with the other coaches. Another example... "Starter"... so? Greta was a 5 & 2 player. She went to a good program, played less (2/2), like she would have if she stayed. Third... "and mostly they have done markedly worse." Not true... Of course your definition of "markedly" seems to be bias to try and prove some point SR is superior to ??. PS- Beers at 18/11 tonight... at the half. "Markedly"...
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Post by nwhoopfan on Nov 8, 2024 20:15:37 GMT -8
Watched the USC-Ole Miss game. Wasn't a particularly good game for TVO, but it should be noted 2 or 3 times she worked the pick and roll game to perfection only to have a teammate miss a wide open layup, so she should've had several more assists. Yeah, w/ Juju as a teammate the ball isn't going to be in TVO's hand very often. I remain very unimpressed w/ Gottlieb's coaching. If she gets anywhere close to maximizing the talent on this team I'll be shocked.
Gardiner looked good in her UCLA debut. High-low game w/ Betts could be deadly. Timea hit 5 3's, most of them off kickouts from Betts. Gardiner didn't start, but she was very productive off the bench.
Watched some of the TCU game, Hunter was getting after it on defense but pretty poor game offensively. It was pretty much Prince and Van Lith doing all the scoring, the rest of the team looked totally out of sync.
I've watched a tiny bit of Iowa St. They've been beating bad opponents, everybody has been getting playing time, probably some combinations of players that won't be the normal rotation. Lily hasn't found her shooting touch at all so far, 0-6 in 2 games.
I haven't seen Oklahoma play yet but Beers is killing it so far.
Blacklock had 1 good game and 1 bad game with Texas Tech.
Who am I missing?
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Post by messi on Nov 8, 2024 20:56:32 GMT -8
First game: 23 minutes, 0-5, 2 pts, 2 rebs, 2 assists, 2 turnovers and 4 fouls Versus? Did USC win? Was she a lockdown defender on the other teams best guard? While I'd love to see her and USC completely fail this year (I'm a petty, vindictive, ahole...online) there can be a lot more to the story than a simple stat line. If she were a lock down defender, it was a lousy job picking up 4 fouls.
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 8, 2024 21:57:57 GMT -8
Versus? Did USC win? Was she a lockdown defender on the other teams best guard? While I'd love to see her and USC completely fail this year (I'm a petty, vindictive, ahole...online) there can be a lot more to the story than a simple stat line. If she were a lock down defender, it was a lousy job picking up 4 fouls. Maybe, but not necessarily. If you keep the other player from scoring.
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