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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 4, 2024 9:01:58 GMT -8
Bit confused... aren't most donations "self serving" in some fashion depending on that definition?! Good for Phil, good for biz/ Nike? Isn't that the point? Do things that benefit yourself, family, your business. FWIW in this weird discussion of Phil, he and his wife have given billions to multiple organizations... academic, medical, community development. Some of the largest donations to Oregon are academically based. Endowments for professors, programs, scholarships, buildings. The point is, weirdly, OSU fans would have zero complaints if the Nike was on the other foot. NONE, NADA. He's a billionaire he's made his money in some unscrupulous ways, like many many other wealthy folks. He & his wife support his Alma Mater. Nothing different than other big time donors all over the country. It's this type of stuff that keeps the "jealous little brother" crap alive and well. You have missed the point 100%. They are are our rival, period. They hit the jackpot with Phil. I admit there is jealousy there, but mostly disdain for the bandwagon that knows zero about the history of the rivalry.....the same ones who say "we root for the Beavers when they aren't playing the ducks.".....then there's the "little brother" s%#t......my favorite is when I go somewhere away from the state of Oregon (with Beaver gear on) and someone asks me why I'm not wearing duck gear. Actually I think my favorite is the duck fans who say "our real rival has been u dub for quite some time.".....essentially saying the Beavs just dont matter to them anymore......there is some truth there, but it's dismissive asshole s%#t......anyway, FTd!!! I hope Phil never sees a natty because again, FTd |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 4, 2024 9:02:13 GMT -8
I may be in the minority, but speak for yourself, George. Moral relativism is one of the reasons this country is headed into the crapper. And no, I would not be happy if the shoe was on the other foot. Greed and corruption are not graded on the curve. When I choose to give to an organization, I do so freely, without expecting anything in return. No quid pro quo.
Not jealous of anything that slimy corrupt organization down south does. I have no control over it. But I do have control over how I choose to live, and what I choose to support. I sleep much better that way. You do you. Others mileage may vary.
Hate to break it to you. "Moral relativism" had been around pretty much since the beginning of mankind. And, you're maybe the only person ever that hasn't made moral judgment(s) relative to a particular viewpoint for family, friends, work, etc. Funny never saw a mention of someone telling you how to live, what to support?? Also funny, you get to choose how you live, and what you choose to support. But, you also get to choose how Phil lives? Who, what, how he supports? Yeah... you do you! In my experience you are 97% right about the Phil thing, but also respect NBs position. I get why some fans would be turned off by it. I'm pre Phil era, although I grew up with Phils nephew in late 70s, great guy who always had the coolest kicks. Anyway, most of my old school Duck friends have broke the way you posited, total homer Duck fans, but fully aware of billionaire daddy. They simply don't care. But I also have a few ambivalent to it all, if not mostly turned off by it and what it has turned Duck culture into. Fandom is a funny thing, but mostly whichever team is ingrained in your heart...just win baby. I really have no ties to OSU, I'm an Aztec. But I will ALWAYS be a Beaver at heart. And if Sugar Daddy wants to invest the capital to lift OSU to national prominence, I'm all for it. Go Beavs! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 4, 2024 9:40:34 GMT -8
Obviously, U of O is the main focus, but I believe Knight gives to Stanford as well, for academic pursuits. There’s also the $500 Mil cancer center challenge at OHSU. Just to file under credit where credit is due. Any large business/ corporation, if they are smart and have good tax advice - spread around their donations. Give philanthropically, or give it to the government.
I sincerely doubt the donations to Stanford, OHSU, etc, equal the donations given to the UofO. But hey, maybe he has found a true selfless bone in his body, and is giving for the right reasons. Who knows. But anyone who thinks the donations to UofO are not self serving, is kidding themselves. It is good business for Nike, and good business for Uncle Phil. A few things here. First, Nike isn't making the donatations. Sure, Nike was the vehicle that made Knight his money, but Knight is using his own money. Nike funds them in different ways, and they also fund hundreds of other colleges, although to a lesser extent I'm sure. Regarding the line about the equality of the donations, I said "Obviously, U of O is the main focus". I hate the U of O and their great success grinds on me like it probably does every Beaver fan. But Knight gives a s%#tload of money to non-U of O entities. Hell, if I had his money I would do everything I could to help Oregon State be great in athletics and academics, and would enjoy assisting in the building of a national power. I don't blame him a bit. I'd also welcome his dough in a New York Minute. But that's just me. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 4, 2024 10:09:56 GMT -8
If we cut this down to where the rubber meets the road, the only reason Nike U is where it is, is because of Uncle Phil dollars. If not for the Bill Bowerman/ Bill Dellinger connection, starting Nike as an outgrowth of his time at UofO, there may never have been a Nike. Second, he only spends the money on Nike U because 10's of thousands of his useful idiot fans locally and around the country will buy gobs of his overpriced, ugly, made in 3rd world sweatshops clothes, shoes, equipment, apparel, etc. Does anyone think, really think, if Phil Knight had gotten to be a billionaire in any other industry, he would be spending the quantity of money on his Alma mater? really? No way. His Alma mater is his collegiate marketing outreach program to sell his sh*t. He and Nike are benefiting greatly by all of the free press and attention by sponsoring hole. And if UofO benefits as well in the process - so be it. It is self serving - nothing else. "New car, caviar, four star day dream, think I'll buy me a football team" - right? He wants to buy a natty before he dies, and I guarantee every picture, every article of clothing, etc - will have the swoosh on it. As an off and on runner since high school, serious runners I have known over the years do not run on Nike. Saucony, Brooks, New Balance, Adidas, Hoke - all make better running shoes than Nike. Haven't knowingly bought anything Nike in over 20 years - and never will.Exactly. Many prominent runners/basketball players would not wear Nikes if they were not paid so well. I ran for 30 years before injuries sidelined me and never, ever wore Nikes. Saucony Grid, New Balance, adidas (the Oregon was the greatest interval/racing flat ever invented), Brooks, or Skechers. Nike shoes suck. So does the quality of much of their apparel. Gear, Champion, Big Cotton or adidas shirts and sweatshirts are far superior. |
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 4, 2024 10:21:29 GMT -8
Hate to break it to you. "Moral relativism" had been around pretty much since the beginning of mankind. And, you're maybe the only person ever that hasn't made moral judgment(s) relative to a particular viewpoint for family, friends, work, etc. Funny never saw a mention of someone telling you how to live, what to support?? Also funny, you get to choose how you live, and what you choose to support. But, you also get to choose how Phil lives? Who, what, how he supports? Yeah... you do you! In my experience you are 97% right about the Phil thing, but also respect NBs position. I get why some fans would be turned off by it. I'm pre Phil era, although I grew up with Phils nephew in late 70s, great guy who always had the coolest kicks. Anyway, most of my old school Duck friends have broke the way you posited, total homer Duck fans, but fully aware of billionaire daddy. They simply don't care. But I also have a few ambivalent to it all, if not mostly turned off by it and what it has turned Duck culture into. Fandom is a funny thing, but mostly whichever team is ingrained in your heart...just win baby. I really have no ties to OSU, I'm an Aztec. But I will ALWAYS be a Beaver at heart. And if Sugar Daddy wants to invest the capital to lift OSU to national prominence, I'm all for it. Go Beavs! Hey, thx for the well-thought response. This post covers a couple other posts. And, really a topic that makes zero sense... IMHO. I certainly can respect a viewpoint until it claims a hypocritical moral high ground. Nike/Phil supports 100's of ADs and other significantly important social institutions. Mention on this board is due to his support of his alma mater which is pretty much a normal activity of millions of fans. Having the $$ to allow an alma mater to have the "best" of everything is a situation a lot of us would like to be in. And, in a world of billionaires I doubt many would pass the highly ethical and moral "test". But, I digress. Mentioning "moral relativism" is hypocritical in several ways. First, Nike is by far and away no where near the only corporation/institution that has highly questionable practices, yet everyone on this board supports companies and brands that are part of corporate greed. How many of us actually go in-depth to research background info on companies? Most likely a extreme minority. Hence, we do indeed pick and chose where to draw our "moral" line in the sand even if it is based on ignorance. Second, the same corrupt, immoral, unethical corporation and person has given millions to OSU in terms of AD gear and extras. No where near the billions in academic and athletic support as to Oregon and Stanford, but they are his alma maters. OSU is a "rival" and Nike/Phil/Penny has done a ton for the OSU AD (rumors have it more than just gear etc?!). So, I guess some here would suggest OSU should never have been a Nike school? And, since OSU is a filthy NIKE school, they no longer support OSU? Oh wait... they are a =n OSU fan. Again "moral relativism" at work. We can support OSU despite NIke/Phil/Penny's support cuz it isn't as much as Oregon gets! Got it. Lastly, we all get the rival angle. Stick to that. But, the Nike/Phil immorality "clause" seems a bit uneducated and truly hypocritical, especially after the recent ongoing news of one of OSU's biggest donors/supporters and their CEO. I do not care what Oregon does or has, but I certainly do not whine and judge about... donors, calls on the field, etc. Especially when tossing such stones leaves one living in a glass house. |
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 4, 2024 10:23:37 GMT -8
Any large business/ corporation, if they are smart and have good tax advice - spread around their donations. Give philanthropically, or give it to the government.
I sincerely doubt the donations to Stanford, OHSU, etc, equal the donations given to the UofO. But hey, maybe he has found a true selfless bone in his body, and is giving for the right reasons. Who knows. But anyone who thinks the donations to UofO are not self serving, is kidding themselves. It is good business for Nike, and good business for Uncle Phil. A few things here. First, Nike isn't making the donatations. Sure, Nike was the vehicle that made Knight his money, but Knight is using his own money. Nike funds them in different ways, and they also fund hundreds of other colleges, although to a lesser extent I'm sure. Regarding the line about the equality of the donations, I said "Obviously, U of O is the main focus". I hate the U of O and their great success grinds on me like it probably does every Beaver fan. But Knight gives a s%#tload of money to non-U of O entities. Hell, if I had his money I would do everything I could to help Oregon State be great in athletics and academics, and would enjoy assisting in the building of a national power. I don't blame him a bit. I'd also welcome his dough in a New York Minute. But that's just me. Yeah... the distinction of "his own money" means little to some here. Nike made him his money so all is lumped into one. Again... like you we all get the rival aspect. But, the hypocritical moral judgment is pretty funny. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 4, 2024 10:41:28 GMT -8
If we cut this down to where the rubber meets the road, the only reason Nike U is where it is, is because of Uncle Phil dollars. If not for the Bill Bowerman/ Bill Dellinger connection, starting Nike as an outgrowth of his time at UofO, there may never have been a Nike. Second, he only spends the money on Nike U because 10's of thousands of his useful idiot fans locally and around the country will buy gobs of his overpriced, ugly, made in 3rd world sweatshops clothes, shoes, equipment, apparel, etc. Does anyone think, really think, if Phil Knight had gotten to be a billionaire in any other industry, he would be spending the quantity of money on his Alma mater? really? No way. His Alma mater is his collegiate marketing outreach program to sell his sh*t. He and Nike are benefiting greatly by all of the free press and attention by sponsoring hole. And if UofO benefits as well in the process - so be it. It is self serving - nothing else. "New car, caviar, four star day dream, think I'll buy me a football team" - right? He wants to buy a natty before he dies, and I guarantee every picture, every article of clothing, etc - will have the swoosh on it. As an off and on runner since high school, serious runners I have known over the years do not run on Nike. Saucony, Brooks, New Balance, Adidas, Hoke - all make better running shoes than Nike. Haven't knowingly bought anything Nike in over 20 years - and never will.Exactly. Many prominent runners/basketball players would not wear Nikes if they were not paid so well. I ran for 30 years before injuries sidelined me and never, ever wore Nikes. Saucony Grid, New Balance, adidas (the Oregon was the greatest interval/racing flat ever invented), Brooks, or Skechers. Nike shoes suck. So does the quality of much of their apparel. Gear, Champion, Big Cotton or adidas shirts and sweatshirts are far superior. Nike shoes run long, and narrow. I have wide feet. I never end up getting Nike shoes. Just don't fit me right, and I don't like their styles mostly. I prefer Brooks, Saucony, or even Asics. The kids line up around the corner for all their stuff still though, and that's what matters. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 4, 2024 10:50:19 GMT -8
Any large business/ corporation, if they are smart and have good tax advice - spread around their donations. Give philanthropically, or give it to the government.
I sincerely doubt the donations to Stanford, OHSU, etc, equal the donations given to the UofO. But hey, maybe he has found a true selfless bone in his body, and is giving for the right reasons. Who knows. But anyone who thinks the donations to UofO are not self serving, is kidding themselves. It is good business for Nike, and good business for Uncle Phil. A few things here. First, Nike isn't making the donatations. Sure, Nike was the vehicle that made Knight his money, but Knight is using his own money. Nike funds them in different ways, and they also fund hundreds of other colleges, although to a lesser extent I'm sure. Regarding the line about the equality of the donations, I said "Obviously, U of O is the main focus". I hate the U of O and their great success grinds on me like it probably does every Beaver fan. But Knight gives a s%#tload of money to non-U of O entities. Hell, if I had his money I would do everything I could to help Oregon State be great in athletics and academics, and would enjoy assisting in the building of a national power. I don't blame him a bit. I'd also welcome his dough in a New York Minute. But that's just me. I've always hated the "but Phil gives to OSU too" argument by Beavers. Didn't his wife go to OSU? Maybe THEY should give more! Thing is, it's peanuts compared to him literally trying to buy a f%#*ing national championship in football, at hole. It's looking like they will get over the hump at some point. Maybe even this season......hopefully they blow it. The duck tears will be streaming, and the Goodwill's will be flush with human hi liter gear. FTd |
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 4, 2024 12:18:42 GMT -8
A few things here. First, Nike isn't making the donatations. Sure, Nike was the vehicle that made Knight his money, but Knight is using his own money. Nike funds them in different ways, and they also fund hundreds of other colleges, although to a lesser extent I'm sure. Regarding the line about the equality of the donations, I said "Obviously, U of O is the main focus". I hate the U of O and their great success grinds on me like it probably does every Beaver fan. But Knight gives a s%#tload of money to non-U of O entities. Hell, if I had his money I would do everything I could to help Oregon State be great in athletics and academics, and would enjoy assisting in the building of a national power. I don't blame him a bit. I'd also welcome his dough in a New York Minute. But that's just me. I've always hated the "but Phil gives to OSU too" argument by Beavers. Didn't his wife go to OSU? Maybe THEY should give more! Thing is, it's peanuts compared to him literally trying to buy a f%#*ing national championship in football, at hole. It's looking like they will get over the hump at some point. Maybe even this season......hopefully they blow it. The duck tears will be streaming, and the Goodwill's will be flush with human hi liter gear. FTd "THEY" can do whatever they want with THEIR money. Why don't we all bang on the Autzen family too! Hell, he was an OSU graduate! Maybe because the money pales in comparison to Knights. Most do. I don't think $500 Mil is "peanuts" but if you do, ok. They also donated $125 Mil to OHSU for the Cardiovascular Institute. Yes, they've donated that much to U of O as well. I too hope they will lose when it counts. But it won't be to Maryland at home! |
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Post by NativeBeav on Nov 4, 2024 12:50:08 GMT -8
Any large business/ corporation, if they are smart and have good tax advice - spread around their donations. Give philanthropically, or give it to the government.
I sincerely doubt the donations to Stanford, OHSU, etc, equal the donations given to the UofO. But hey, maybe he has found a true selfless bone in his body, and is giving for the right reasons. Who knows. But anyone who thinks the donations to UofO are not self serving, is kidding themselves. It is good business for Nike, and good business for Uncle Phil. A few things here. First, Nike isn't making the donatations. Sure, Nike was the vehicle that made Knight his money, but Knight is using his own money. Nike funds them in different ways, and they also fund hundreds of other colleges, although to a lesser extent I'm sure. Regarding the line about the equality of the donations, I said "Obviously, U of O is the main focus". I hate the U of O and their great success grinds on me like it probably does every Beaver fan. But Knight gives a s%#tload of money to non-U of O entities. Hell, if I had his money I would do everything I could to help Oregon State be great in athletics and academics, and would enjoy assisting in the building of a national power. I don't blame him a bit. I'd also welcome his dough in a New York Minute. But that's just me. Picking nits. Yes, I know it is Phil's money, but not only did it originally come from Nike, as hole rises in national exposure and prominence, it also elevates Nike. And Uncle Phil, who I am sure has ooodles of stock options and other financial payouts as the founder and past CEO, those profits, or a percentage of them, come back to Uncle Phil. It is a win/win for him - it benefits his Alma mater, and his former company.
Regarding the other donations - I would never criticize them. Why? because he has really nothing to gain, other than a plaque or a quick mention somewhere of his and Penny's philanthropic benevolence. I think that is outstanding.
If the founder and CEO of Nvida was to give us equal or greater money as a gift, what would make it different, is he would not be expecting it to generate more revenue from that gift, unless he gave it to a new AI wing at OSU, that indirectly promoted his company, Nvida. I think there is a pretty clear distinction there.
As long as Uncle Phil has followed NCAA guidelines (do they exist anymore?), then he is welcome to do whatever. But, for some of us, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Or that is passes the sniff test. The arrangement will always have the ick factor for me.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 4, 2024 12:51:17 GMT -8
The Autzen who made all the money (Thomas) was an OSU grad. The kids and grandkids, who controlled the money after the elder Autzen died, went to Oregon. The kids donated money to Oregon to name the new stadium in their father's honor. So the stadium and field at Oregon commemorate OSU graduates.
The founder of the Pape empire went to OSU, but his kids went to Oregon. So we got a nice bell tower named in the elder's memory but the company remained in Eugene and became a major, major Duck sponsor.
So it goes.
And finally, for the umpteenth time, Penny Knight went to Portland State.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 4, 2024 14:10:52 GMT -8
I've always hated the "but Phil gives to OSU too" argument by Beavers. Didn't his wife go to OSU? Maybe THEY should give more! Thing is, it's peanuts compared to him literally trying to buy a f%#*ing national championship in football, at hole. It's looking like they will get over the hump at some point. Maybe even this season......hopefully they blow it. The duck tears will be streaming, and the Goodwill's will be flush with human hi liter gear. FTd "THEY" can do whatever they want with THEIR money. Why don't we all bang on the Autzen family too! Hell, he was an OSU graduate! Maybe because the money pales in comparison to Knights. Most do. I don't think $500 Mil is "peanuts" but if you do, ok. They also donated $125 Mil to OHSU for the Cardiovascular Institute. Yes, they've donated that much to U of O as well. I too hope they will lose when it counts. But it won't be to Maryland at home! At the end of the day, hole is on the forefront of college football. We got left out in the cold. We can split hairs on the whys, and the hows.....and how much money uncle Phil gives here, or there. I honestly don't really give a s%#t. I will still watch, and support, my Beavs, but college football is not life. The amount of money tied up in it is absurd......but, the demand is there. That said, FTd |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 4, 2024 14:14:54 GMT -8
The Autzen who made all the money (Thomas) was an OSU grad. The kids and grandkids, who controlled the money after the elder Autzen died, went to Oregon. The kids donated money to Oregon to name the new stadium in their father's honor. So the stadium and field at Oregon commemorate OSU graduates. The founder of the Pape empire went to OSU, but his kids went to Oregon. So we got a nice bell tower named in the elder's memory but the company remained in Eugene and became a major, major Duck sponsor. So it goes. And finally, for the umpteenth time, Penny Knight went to Portland State. Hey at least we got Parker from the evil empire......coulda swore someone said Phils wife went to OSU. I honestly don't read most threads when they get off in the weeds, which is pretty much every thread, all the time, so pardon me for missing the PSU thing. |
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 4, 2024 15:06:28 GMT -8
"THEY" can do whatever they want with THEIR money. Why don't we all bang on the Autzen family too! Hell, he was an OSU graduate! Maybe because the money pales in comparison to Knights. Most do. I don't think $500 Mil is "peanuts" but if you do, ok. They also donated $125 Mil to OHSU for the Cardiovascular Institute. Yes, they've donated that much to U of O as well. I too hope they will lose when it counts. But it won't be to Maryland at home! At the end of the day, hole is on the forefront of college football. We got left out in the cold. We can split hairs on the whys, and the hows.....and how much money uncle Phil gives here, or there. I honestly don't really give a s%#t. I will still watch, and support, my Beavs, but college football is not life. The amount of money tied up in it is absurd......but, the demand is there. That said, FTd 🤣🤣 you OBVIOUSLY give sh$t! Read all your posts that go on and on... (5) on just this page. Hate to see them if you did give a sh$t.🤣🤣 |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Nov 4, 2024 16:01:03 GMT -8
At the end of the day, hole is on the forefront of college football. We got left out in the cold. We can split hairs on the whys, and the hows.....and how much money uncle Phil gives here, or there. I honestly don't really give a s%#t. I will still watch, and support, my Beavs, but college football is not life. The amount of money tied up in it is absurd......but, the demand is there. That said, FTd 🤣🤣 you OBVIOUSLY give sh$t! Read all your posts that go on and on... (5) on just this page. Hate to see them if you did give a sh$t.🤣🤣 Did ur parents used to have to tie a pork chop around ur neck to get the dog to play with you? You seem like that kinda guy. |
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