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Post by 93beav on Oct 22, 2024 8:56:30 GMT -8
There are many, many other costs related with running a professional league beyond player salaries. From what I've seen 2024 income is expected to top out at around $240 million for 12 teams. Expenses expected to be $290 million. Expenses vary by team, but... players, travel that players wanted changed to private, medical/training staff, front office staff/facilities, arena rent & staffing fees, practice facility (rent or financed of their own), insurance of multiple types, etc. I seem to recall a comment somewhere that is was switching to charter flights for every team that caused most of the ballooning of costs. But again, I don't think they're going on strike. They're just opting out of their agreement. They have until Nov 1st to do so. |
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Post by 93beav on Oct 22, 2024 9:01:33 GMT -8
I think one problem with most women’s sports is the level of play. An all-state boy’s high school basketball team would run a wnba team off the floor. Martina Navratilova at her peak said she wouldn’t win the men’s 16 and under title at Wimbledon. The Olympic gold medal soccer team of Hamm, Fouty and Chastain lost to a Florida state U-15 boys soccer team by a 12-4 score over 3 games. The idea that you are a hater because you don’t watch women’s sports is bullsh*t. Part of my love of sports is watching it played at the highest level. I watch and attend beavers women’s sports because I feel a connection and support all beavers sports. But at the professional level I just can’t get into high school level action. People who like it great, but if you don’t there is not some great character flaw. Don't agree. An WNBA team that had played together for a few years would still hold their own against an all-state boy's high school team. Also, "Part of my love of sports is watching it played at the highest level" - you're part of the reason the B10 and SEC think so highly of themselves. It's not that I think there's some great character flaw, but that's a pretty dismissive statement for players at all levels of sports. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 22, 2024 12:16:21 GMT -8
I think one problem with most women’s sports is the level of play. An all-state boy’s high school basketball team would run a wnba team off the floor. Martina Navratilova at her peak said she wouldn’t win the men’s 16 and under title at Wimbledon. The Olympic gold medal soccer team of Hamm, Fouty and Chastain lost to a Florida state U-15 boys soccer team by a 12-4 score over 3 games. The idea that you are a hater because you don’t watch women’s sports is bullsh*t. Part of my love of sports is watching it played at the highest level. I watch and attend beavers women’s sports because I feel a connection and support all beavers sports. But at the professional level I just can’t get into high school level action. People who like it great, but if you don’t there is not some great character flaw. Don't agree. An WNBA team that had played together for a few years would still hold their own against an all-state boy's high school team. Also, "Part of my love of sports is watching it played at the highest level" - you're part of the reason the B10 and SEC think so highly of themselves. It's not that I think there's some great character flaw, but that's a pretty dismissive statement for players at all levels of sports. I wouldn't know about that. The US Women's Soccer team was largely together for years, they also lost handily to a under 15 all-star group from Dallas rather handily back in 2017. Look in our own neighborhood... Gavin played all of 17/18 games in high school. Put him in the WNBA and he'd be the only person in the league that can play 18-24 inches above the rim. He'd probably flippin' dominate. Put walkon Josiah in the WNBA and watch what happens. The women could probably hold their own against high school al-state teams from some small states that aren't big recruiting areas, but against a lot of them the women would probably struggle. Women's basketball has come a long ways, and they put out a very entertaining product nowadays, but playing head to head against men is another thing, it's a different product. |
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Post by 93beav on Oct 22, 2024 13:28:28 GMT -8
Don't agree. An WNBA team that had played together for a few years would still hold their own against an all-state boy's high school team. Also, "Part of my love of sports is watching it played at the highest level" - you're part of the reason the B10 and SEC think so highly of themselves. It's not that I think there's some great character flaw, but that's a pretty dismissive statement for players at all levels of sports. I wouldn't know about that. The US Women's Soccer team was largely together for years, they also lost handily to a under 15 all-star group from Dallas rather handily back in 2017. Look in our own neighborhood... Gavin played all of 17/18 games in high school. Put him in the WNBA and he'd be the only person in the league that can play 18-24 inches above the rim. He'd probably flippin' dominate. Put walkon Josiah in the WNBA and watch what happens. The women could probably hold their own against high school al-state teams from some small states that aren't big recruiting areas, but against a lot of them the women would probably struggle. Women's basketball has come a long ways, and they put out a very entertaining product nowadays, but playing head to head against men is another thing, it's a different product. Sure - against NBA level competition. Still sticking with against all-state high school, nope. WNBA team. But I guess we'll never know until the 2025 Drunkandstoopidbeav Challenge - think of the sponsorships you could get with your name!  |
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Post by ag87 on Oct 22, 2024 13:29:15 GMT -8
Don't agree. An WNBA team that had played together for a few years would still hold their own against an all-state boy's high school team. Also, "Part of my love of sports is watching it played at the highest level" - you're part of the reason the B10 and SEC think so highly of themselves. It's not that I think there's some great character flaw, but that's a pretty dismissive statement for players at all levels of sports. I wouldn't know about that. The US Women's Soccer team was largely together for years, they also lost handily to a under 15 all-star group from Dallas rather handily back in 2017. Look in our own neighborhood... Gavin played all of 17/18 games in high school. Put him in the WNBA and he'd be the only person in the league that can play 18-24 inches above the rim. He'd probably flippin' dominate. Put walkon Josiah in the WNBA and watch what happens. The women could probably hold their own against high school al-state teams from some small states that aren't big recruiting areas, but against a lot of them the women would probably struggle. Women's basketball has come a long ways, and they put out a very entertaining product nowadays, but playing head to head against men is another thing, it's a different product. This is nearly ancient history. There used to be a touring professional women's basketball team, the All-American Redheads. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-American_Red_Heads I saw them play the men's teaching staff of Roseburg High School in or about 1973. The Redhead's barnstormed and played against men. The attached article says they had three teams. As a guess, they were probably the top women's team in the world at that point in time. To be fair, on the team I saw, they had no African-american players. RHS had one guy who had played at Oregon (Stew Robertson) but he did not play with the teachers. The teachers got ahead and then basically toyed with the Redheads the rest of the way. Thurman Bell was probably in his early 30's played most of the game but I don't believe he ever played basketball at OSU. Anyway, I think the RHS boys team (who were very good and placed 2nd at state) would have destroyed the teacher's team. |
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Post by gnawitall on Oct 24, 2024 6:28:27 GMT -8
Does this article by Whitlock hurt negotiations?
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 24, 2024 7:55:31 GMT -8
Does this article by Whitlock hurt negotiations? I don’t think we should be amplifying that misogynists message. |
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Post by obf on Oct 24, 2024 9:56:00 GMT -8
I think one problem with most women’s sports is the level of play. An all-state boy’s high school basketball team would run a wnba team off the floor. Martina Navratilova at her peak said she wouldn’t win the men’s 16 and under title at Wimbledon. The Olympic gold medal soccer team of Hamm, Fouty and Chastain lost to a Florida state U-15 boys soccer team by a 12-4 score over 3 games. The idea that you are a hater because you don’t watch women’s sports is bullsh*t. Part of my love of sports is watching it played at the highest level. I watch and attend beavers women’s sports because I feel a connection and support all beavers sports. But at the professional level I just can’t get into high school level action. People who like it great, but if you don’t there is not some great character flaw. I think this is a flawed argument. The WNBA IS the highest level of womens basketball. who cares how they would do against boy or men. It is better to just think about it like a different sport. A different sport that draws less attention than mens basketball? Sure, but also pulls in a different set of fans than the NBA. When it comes to college basketball at Oregon State I prefer watching the women. Not because I think the women would beat the men, but because they play beautiful, precise basketball with a clear and interesting offensive plan and high energy, hard nosed defense. What the WNBA really needs to do is stop trying to be like the NBA, but lean into their differences. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 24, 2024 11:50:32 GMT -8
Does this article by Whitlock hurt negotiations? Nobody of consequence pays attention to Jason Whitlock. |
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Post by gnawitall on Oct 24, 2024 14:28:42 GMT -8
Does this article by Whitlock hurt negotiations? Nobody of consequence pays attention to Jason Whitlock. I've always thought you were arrogant Henry and now you've removed all doubt. |
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Post by gnawitall on Oct 24, 2024 14:31:08 GMT -8
Does this article by Whitlock hurt negotiations? I don’t think we should be amplifying that misogynists message. Well, it's your site so not much to argue here. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 24, 2024 14:38:53 GMT -8
So where is all of this additional money supposed to come from? It seems to me the WNBA is essentially operating as a charitable enterprise to begin with, so maybe it’s just a matter of asking their not-for-profit donors to dig deeper into their wallets, regardless of how many people are buying tickets or eyeballs are watching electronically.
Hey, if you can get it - get it.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 24, 2024 14:43:43 GMT -8
Nobody of consequence pays attention to Jason Whitlock. I've always thought you were arrogant Henry and now you've removed all doubt. You may have Whitlock confused with Michael Wilbon, who is a commentator of consequence. Been called many things by many people. Arrogant has never been one of them. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 24, 2024 14:45:29 GMT -8
Sabrina busted out a new, custom-made jacket for the Liberty's victory parade. She only buttoned one of the 19 buttons.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 24, 2024 14:58:27 GMT -8
Does this article by Whitlock hurt negotiations? Nobody of consequence pays attention to Jason Whitlock. Did you always think that of him? I'm asking because I enjoyed him when he was purely a sports guy. I haven't seen enough of him in his new arena to say one way or another. |
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