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Post by ricke71 on Oct 10, 2024 17:40:50 GMT -8
D-1 Baseball ranks the top 100 college baseball programs every so often in terms of their OVERALL quality (or in their words): "assess the overall health of each program in the current era"
For what it's worth, here is how the Beavers have stacked up, according to the D-1 Baseball staff, through the last ten years:
2015: 8th
2017: 8th
2019: 6th
2022: 5th
2024: 13th
D1: "There’s no doubt OSU needs to get back to Omaha..."
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Post by easyheat on Oct 10, 2024 18:26:44 GMT -8
There are several factors involved in the '24 ranking and the resulting "slippage". One obvious issue is beating an SEC team in the Super Regional. In '22 we hosted Auburn and lost, in '23 we lost at LSU and in '24, we lost at Kentucky. We're knocking on the door but the door isn't opening for us. Probably a good place to start would be to play well enough during the regular season that we are a high seed and offset the inherent schedule/RPI advantage the SEC schools enjoy.
If I'm reading my recruiting tea leaves right, '25 through '28 could be very good years for the Beavs.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 10, 2024 19:19:17 GMT -8
There are several factors involved in the '24 ranking and the resulting "slippage". One obvious issue is beating an SEC team in the Super Regional. In '22 we hosted Auburn and lost, in '23 we lost at LSU and in '24, we lost at Kentucky. We're knocking on the door but the door isn't opening for us. Probably a good place to start would be to play well enough during the regular season that we are a high seed and offset the inherent schedule/RPI advantage the SEC schools enjoy. If I'm reading my recruiting tea leaves right, '25 through '28 could be very good years for the Beavs. "Knocking on the door but the door isn't opening".....that's about a perfect analogy of Beaver baseball the last few years. And yes, the recruiting is top notch......putting guys in the bigs is huge for said recruiting, obviously. The two overall #1's, but there's plenty of others. Guys like Kwan who was a long shot to even start on a D1 program, to all star, gold glove winner.....incredible! like D1 said, we just need some things to fall in place, and a trip, to two to Omaha to keep it rollin.....easier said, than done |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 10, 2024 19:40:02 GMT -8
There are several factors involved in the '24 ranking and the resulting "slippage". One obvious issue is beating an SEC team in the Super Regional. In '22 we hosted Auburn and lost, in '23 we lost at LSU and in '24, we lost at Kentucky. We're knocking on the door but the door isn't opening for us. Probably a good place to start would be to play well enough during the regular season that we are a high seed and offset the inherent schedule/RPI advantage the SEC schools enjoy. If I'm reading my recruiting tea leaves right, '25 through '28 could be very good years for the Beavs. "Knocking on the door but the door isn't opening".....that's about a perfect analogy of Beaver baseball the last few years. And yes, the recruiting is top notch......putting guys in the bigs is huge for said recruiting, obviously. The two overall #1's, but there's plenty of others. Guys like Kwan who was a long shot to even start on a D1 program, to all star, gold glove winner.....incredible! like D1 said, we just need some things to fall in place, and a trip, to two to Omaha to keep it rollin.....easier said, than done Ummmm, Kwan and Adley were on a NC team and not recruited by MC. Can’t compare those guys to the current team or Bazzana, who was recruited by Pat Bailey. MC has not recruited a 1-1 pick. Better win 45+ games this year to get a top seed. We’re not going to get a ton of respect without a conference. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 11, 2024 7:39:19 GMT -8
"Knocking on the door but the door isn't opening".....that's about a perfect analogy of Beaver baseball the last few years. And yes, the recruiting is top notch......putting guys in the bigs is huge for said recruiting, obviously. The two overall #1's, but there's plenty of others. Guys like Kwan who was a long shot to even start on a D1 program, to all star, gold glove winner.....incredible! like D1 said, we just need some things to fall in place, and a trip, to two to Omaha to keep it rollin.....easier said, than done Ummmm, Kwan and Adley were on a NC team and not recruited by MC. Can’t compare those guys to the current team or Bazzana, who was recruited by Pat Bailey. MC has not recruited a 1-1 pick. Better win 45+ games this year to get a top seed. We’re not going to get a ton of respect without a conference. Well duh! None of the past will matter if we don't keep playing at a high level......but the program is absolutely using the development of players for the draft as a recruiting pitch.....and it's working, based on our recruiting classes. |
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Post by beav44 on Oct 11, 2024 9:49:38 GMT -8
"Knocking on the door but the door isn't opening".....that's about a perfect analogy of Beaver baseball the last few years. And yes, the recruiting is top notch......putting guys in the bigs is huge for said recruiting, obviously. The two overall #1's, but there's plenty of others. Guys like Kwan who was a long shot to even start on a D1 program, to all star, gold glove winner.....incredible! like D1 said, we just need some things to fall in place, and a trip, to two to Omaha to keep it rollin.....easier said, than done Ummmm, Kwan and Adley were on a NC team and not recruited by MC. Can’t compare those guys to the current team or Bazzana, who was recruited by Pat Bailey. MC has not recruited a 1-1 pick. Better win 45+ games this year to get a top seed. We’re not going to get a ton of respect without a conference. |
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Post by beav44 on Oct 11, 2024 9:50:10 GMT -8
Canham remembers extending the offer, then holding out his hand for a visibly emotional Bazzana to shake. Bazzana expressed his deep gratitude but didn't accept on the spot -- he wanted to talk it over with his parents before making such a significant decision.
"The fact that he didn't get sped up in that environment, that told me right there … that's our guy," Canham said. "That's why he's so special. Because when the arena is putting pressure on you and trying to speed everything up, you pause and you know what your values are."
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 11, 2024 9:51:46 GMT -8
Canham remembers extending the offer, then holding out his hand for a visibly emotional Bazzana to shake. Bazzana expressed his deep gratitude but didn't accept on the spot -- he wanted to talk it over with his parents before making such a significant decision. "The fact that he didn't get sped up in that environment, that told me right there … that's our guy," Canham said. "That's why he's so special. Because when the arena is putting pressure on you and trying to speed everything up, you pause and you know what your values are." But, Bailey was the one that found him. He then passed him off to Canham. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 11, 2024 10:00:24 GMT -8
Canham remembers extending the offer, then holding out his hand for a visibly emotional Bazzana to shake. Bazzana expressed his deep gratitude but didn't accept on the spot -- he wanted to talk it over with his parents before making such a significant decision. "The fact that he didn't get sped up in that environment, that told me right there … that's our guy," Canham said. "That's why he's so special. Because when the arena is putting pressure on you and trying to speed everything up, you pause and you know what your values are." But, Bailey was the one that found him. He then passed him off to Canham. Great, Bailey found him....thank you Coach!!......he flourished in Canham's program, and become overall #1 pick. I'm not sure what your point is ......are you saying Bailey gets all the credit for Bazzana being where he is? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 11, 2024 10:03:57 GMT -8
But, Bailey was the one that found him. He then passed him off to Canham. Great, Bailey found him....thank you Coach!!......he flourished in Canham's program, and become overall #1 pick. I'm not sure what you're point is ......are you saying Bailey gets all the credit for Bazzana being where he is? No, I'm saying he wouldn't have come here if not for Bailey. |
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Post by ricke71 on Oct 11, 2024 10:21:24 GMT -8
"Knocking on the door but the door isn't opening".....that's about a perfect analogy of Beaver baseball the last few years. And yes, the recruiting is top notch......putting guys in the bigs is huge for said recruiting, obviously. The two overall #1's, but there's plenty of others. Guys like Kwan who was a long shot to even start on a D1 program, to all star, gold glove winner.....incredible! like D1 said, we just need some things to fall in place, and a trip, to two to Omaha to keep it rollin.....easier said, than done Ummmm, Kwan and Adley were on a NC team and not recruited by MC. Can’t compare those guys to the current team or Bazzana, who was recruited by Pat Bailey. MC has not recruited a 1-1 pick. Better win 45+ games this year to get a top seed. We’re not going to get a ton of respect without a conference. "MC has not recruited a 1-1 pick". So nationally, who has recruited a 1-1 pick (between Adley 2018 and Bazzana 2024)?...
...or more specifically, who were the head college coaches in the Freshman Seasons of the 2020 - 2023, 1-1 MLB Draft picks?
Torkelson #1 in 2020 - Tracy Smith, ASU HC his freshman college season, as well Torkelson's entire HS career. Henry Davis #1 in 2021 - Dan McDonnell, Louisville HC his freshman college season, as well Davis's entire HS career. 2022 #1 was not a college player. 2023 Skenes #1 in 2023 - Mike Kazlausky, Air Force HC his freshman college season, as well Skene's entire HS career. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 11, 2024 11:03:46 GMT -8
Ummmm, Kwan and Adley were on a NC team and not recruited by MC. Can’t compare those guys to the current team or Bazzana, who was recruited by Pat Bailey. MC has not recruited a 1-1 pick. Better win 45+ games this year to get a top seed. We’re not going to get a ton of respect without a conference. Well duh! None of the past will matter if we don't keep playing at a high level......but the program is absolutely using the development of players for the draft as a recruiting pitch.....and it's working, based on our recruiting classes. Guess not... or?? "Both Baseball America and Perfect Game have released their class rankings for 2024. Perfect Game ranked the Beaver's class 37th nationally. That ranking is based on high school recruits only and excludes JuCo and Portal transfers." Baseball America ranks the Top 35, OSU was not in the group. Nor in the Top of the portal transfer group on D1. BUT... WTFC about recruiting rankings. It is message board fodder and hype. How a HS player "ranks" means absolutely zero unless they develop within a system and produce. And, now with the portal teams can grab already developed talent to fill gaps. It is essential that programs do both. Perfect Game always tends to have OSU classes far below what the "finished product" is. And, that is all that counts. The 2015 class... ranked #26... Cadyn, Nick, Bryce, Trevor, Kwan... Followed by the #32 class in 2016... Adley, Jake, Eisert, Grant, Verburg, Malone, Jones, Beau, Armstrong... I'll take back-to-back #26 and #32 classes like those any time. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 11, 2024 11:18:25 GMT -8
Great, Bailey found him....thank you Coach!!......he flourished in Canham's program, and become overall #1 pick. I'm not sure what you're point is ......are you saying Bailey gets all the credit for Bazzana being where he is? No, I'm saying he wouldn't have come here if not for Bailey. I think you just like to argue |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 11, 2024 11:24:36 GMT -8
Well duh! None of the past will matter if we don't keep playing at a high level......but the program is absolutely using the development of players for the draft as a recruiting pitch.....and it's working, based on our recruiting classes. Guess not... or?? "Both Baseball America and Perfect Game have released their class rankings for 2024. Perfect Game ranked the Beaver's class 37th nationally. That ranking is based on high school recruits only and excludes JuCo and Portal transfers." Baseball America ranks the Top 35, OSU was not in the group. Nor in the Top of the portal transfer group on D1. BUT... WTFC about recruiting rankings. It is message board fodder and hype. How a HS player "ranks" means absolutely zero unless they develop within a system and produce. And, now with the portal teams can grab already developed talent to fill gaps. It is essential that programs do both. Perfect Game always tends to have OSU classes far below what the "finished product" is. And, that is all that counts. The 2015 class... ranked #26... Cadyn, Nick, Bryce, Trevor, Kwan... Followed by the #32 class in 2016... Adley, Jake, Eisert, Grant, Verburg, Malone, Jones, Beau, Armstrong... I'll take back-to-back #26 and #32 classes like those any time. I'm not sure why I even engage with u or smails..... It's like beating ur head against a wall. I'm not talking about the rankings, per se.....I'm talking about the quality of the kids we get to fit our program. Also, the more really highly ranked kids you get, the higher risk you run of losing more to the draft.....so ranking baseball classes is a whole different animal anyway. But go ahead and respond by calling me stupid. That's your go to. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 11, 2024 12:21:00 GMT -8
Guess not... or?? "Both Baseball America and Perfect Game have released their class rankings for 2024. Perfect Game ranked the Beaver's class 37th nationally. That ranking is based on high school recruits only and excludes JuCo and Portal transfers." Baseball America ranks the Top 35, OSU was not in the group. Nor in the Top of the portal transfer group on D1. BUT... WTFC about recruiting rankings. It is message board fodder and hype. How a HS player "ranks" means absolutely zero unless they develop within a system and produce. And, now with the portal teams can grab already developed talent to fill gaps. It is essential that programs do both. Perfect Game always tends to have OSU classes far below what the "finished product" is. And, that is all that counts. The 2015 class... ranked #26... Cadyn, Nick, Bryce, Trevor, Kwan... Followed by the #32 class in 2016... Adley, Jake, Eisert, Grant, Verburg, Malone, Jones, Beau, Armstrong... I'll take back-to-back #26 and #32 classes like those any time. I'm not sure why I even engage with u or smails..... It's like beating ur head against a wall. I'm not talking about the rankings, per se.....I'm talking about the quality of the kids we get to fit our program. Also, the more really highly ranked kids you get, the higher risk you run of losing more to the draft.....so ranking baseball classes is a whole different animal anyway. But go ahead and respond by calling me stupid. That's your go to.  First... I will call you out... please go cut and paste where I've called you stupid, let alone multiple times as "That's your go to" infers?? Secondly... are you so internally bias that you can not read a post that essential agrees with you? Pointing out how class rankings do not represent the quality of not only the players, but they work put in to develop "above" what some BS website says. Chirping indeed... |
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First... I will call you out... please go cut and paste where I've called you stupid, let alone multiple times as "That's your go to" infers??