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Post by sonoma beav on Oct 8, 2024 9:40:52 GMT -8
Speaking of cal and stanford just because they are supposed to be smart doesn't mean they have common sense. Has Stanford/Cal considered their carbon footprint of excessive travel?
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Post by ricke71 on Oct 8, 2024 10:20:49 GMT -8
USC Trojans 2025 Baseball schedule is out. Weekend road series in Ann Arbor mid-March. Ann Arbor average MARCH temperatures: 46 High / 27 Low. Their roster has over 25 players from SoCal, Las Vegas, Texas or Hawaii.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 8, 2024 10:29:44 GMT -8
Speaking of cal and stanford just because they are supposed to be smart doesn't mean they have common sense. Has Stanford/Cal considered their carbon footprint of excessive travel? An extra 1,200 miles on four or five plans trips a year has an infinitesimal impact on the environment.
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Post by NativeBeav on Oct 8, 2024 10:43:20 GMT -8
Has Stanford/Cal considered their carbon footprint of excessive travel? An extra 1,200 miles on four or five plans trips a year has an infinitesimal impact on the environment. Very True - but that is not the narrative the same crowd (the university and faculty) who have created the unnecessary travel uses when making their argument about climate change. Many of us are simply saying, you should lead by example - or do you really believe what you preach?
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Post by sonoma beav on Oct 8, 2024 11:25:50 GMT -8
An extra 1,200 miles on four or five plans trips a year has an infinitesimal impact on the environment. Very True - but that is not the narrative the same crowd (the university and faculty) who have created the unnecessary travel uses when making their argument about climate change. Many of us are simply saying, you should lead by example - or do you really believe what you preach? My point was more about Sustainable Stanford than the actual impact. The Stanford womens volleyball team will travel 33,700 miles this year! Add in all the sports teams and is it infinitesimal? Maybe/probably, but not supportive of university goals.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 8, 2024 11:45:25 GMT -8
Very True - but that is not the narrative the same crowd (the university and faculty) who have created the unnecessary travel uses when making their argument about climate change. Many of us are simply saying, you should lead by example - or do you really believe what you preach? My point was more about Sustainable Stanford than the actual impact. The Stanford womens volleyball team will travel 33,700 miles this year! Add in all the sports teams and is it infinitesimal? Maybe/probably, but not supportive of university goals. Most "minor" sports don't charter. So if they fly commercial on flights that were already scheduled, then there will be no additional impact whatsoever.
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 8, 2024 12:00:24 GMT -8
My point was more about Sustainable Stanford than the actual impact. The Stanford womens volleyball team will travel 33,700 miles this year! Add in all the sports teams and is it infinitesimal? Maybe/probably, but not supportive of university goals. Most "minor" sports don't charter. So if they fly commercial on flights that were already scheduled, then there will be no additional impact whatsoever. The above mileage for Stanford women’s volleyball is only the conference regular season. Doesn’t count post season games which they usually participate in. They will charter at least 3 flights.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 8, 2024 12:36:23 GMT -8
Most "minor" sports don't charter. So if they fly commercial on flights that were already scheduled, then there will be no additional impact whatsoever. The above mileage for Stanford women’s volleyball is only the conference regular season. Doesn’t count post season games which they usually participate in. They will charter at least 3 flights. And the NCAA would have chartered those flights no matter which conference Stanford was in.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 8, 2024 13:01:26 GMT -8
My point was more about Sustainable Stanford than the actual impact. The Stanford womens volleyball team will travel 33,700 miles this year! Add in all the sports teams and is it infinitesimal? Maybe/probably, but not supportive of university goals. Most "minor" sports don't charter. So if they fly commercial on flights that were already scheduled, then there will be no additional impact whatsoever. Every person on a standard round trip flight between Miami and San Jose puts up as much CO2 as driving 18,000 miles. For a 20-person team (16 players and four coaches give or take), you are looking at as much CO2 as driving 360,000 miles, about as much as 30 people drive in a year. The airlines schedule around sports schedules. And, if there is added demand, the airlines will add flights, which can increase the foregoing numbers by an order of magnitude or more. And that is just one road-trip. There is the trip to Pittsburgh and the trip to Louisville/Notre Dame, as well. And that is just one team in one sport. There is a volcanic crater in Arizona called the Sunset Crater. Basically, for a reason that no one can quite determine, there was a volcanic eruption at the Sunset Crater in between 1064-1085. It was made a National Monument by Herbert Hoover in 1930 to protect it from being blown up in a movie. After it was made a National Monument, hiking was permitted up to the top of the cone. None of the hikers did anything wrong. Just walked up the side of the volcano. But hiker by hiker, year after year, very noticeable grooves started to be worn into the sides of the crater. They eventually closed the top of Sunset Crater off to hiking, and the grooves have started to disappear little by little, year after year. Another story. I was out on a dock in Newport in July, and I was showing the kids the grooves in the wooden railing on the dock and asking them what those were. And none of them could figure out what the grooves were. And so I told them it was from the rope from the crab rings. One rope being pulled up one time is not going to cause that groove. But you have another crabber come the next day and the day after and the day after that, etc. Eventually, you have what was once a perfectly flat piece of wood with a ton of grooves worn into it. Inch by inch, day by day. The phrase "after awhile, it starts to be real money" comes to mind. Actions speak louder than words. The environment and global warming is either important, or it is not. If the environment is not important enough to not be flying to Florida five years out of every eight, flatly, it is not important. And that is outrageous. And I cannot believe that there is not more of a pushback by the students and staff at Cal and Stanford. Berkeley pumping out CO2 like it's going out of style. Outrageous!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 8, 2024 13:14:38 GMT -8
Most "minor" sports don't charter. So if they fly commercial on flights that were already scheduled, then there will be no additional impact whatsoever. Every person on a standard round trip flight between Miami and San Jose puts up as much CO2 as driving 18,000 miles. For a 20-person team (16 players and four coaches give or take), you are looking at as much CO2 as driving 360,000 miles, about as much as 30 people drive in a year. The airlines schedule around sports schedules. And, if there is added demand, the airlines will add flights, which can increase the foregoing numbers by an order of magnitude or more. Then from your Miami-San Jose trip, subtract a San Jose-Denver/SLC/EUG/SEA/PHO/LAX trip, which is what Stanford would have flown as a member of the Pac-12, instead of going to Miami. If you can show me ONE instance where an airline has added a flight because of increased demand in a Pac-12 or ACC minor-sport competition, I'm all ears. Otherwise you guys are searching for an answer (or to blame an institution that profiles as "liberal") to a problem that doesn't exist, sort of virtue-signaling. And since I don't want to get dinged by the Glove for being too "political," I'm out of here.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 8, 2024 13:24:48 GMT -8
Every person on a standard round trip flight between Miami and San Jose puts up as much CO2 as driving 18,000 miles. For a 20-person team (16 players and four coaches give or take), you are looking at as much CO2 as driving 360,000 miles, about as much as 30 people drive in a year. The airlines schedule around sports schedules. And, if there is added demand, the airlines will add flights, which can increase the foregoing numbers by an order of magnitude or more. Then from your Miami-San Jose trip, subtract a San Jose-Denver/SLC/EUG/SEA/PHO/LAX trip, which is what Stanford would have flown as a member of the Pac-12, instead of going to Miami. If you can show me ONE instance where an airline has added a flight because of increased demand in a Pac-12 or ACC minor-sport competition, I'm all ears. Otherwise you guys are searching for an answer (or to blame an institution that profiles as "liberal") to a problem that doesn't exist, sort of virtue-signaling. And since I don't want to get dinged by the Glove for being too "political," I'm out of here. Tennessee bought out a single Allegiant plane to go to the College World Series just last year?
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Post by sonoma beav on Oct 8, 2024 13:29:19 GMT -8
Stanford men's and women's basketball and football use charter flights for all road games.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 8, 2024 13:44:15 GMT -8
Every person on a standard round trip flight between Miami and San Jose puts up as much CO2 as driving 18,000 miles. For a 20-person team (16 players and four coaches give or take), you are looking at as much CO2 as driving 360,000 miles, about as much as 30 people drive in a year. The airlines schedule around sports schedules. And, if there is added demand, the airlines will add flights, which can increase the foregoing numbers by an order of magnitude or more. Then from your Miami-San Jose trip, subtract a San Jose-Denver/SLC/EUG/SEA/PHO/LAX trip, which is what Stanford would have flown as a member of the Pac-12, instead of going to Miami. If you can show me ONE instance where an airline has added a flight because of increased demand in a Pac-12 or ACC minor-sport competition, I'm all ears. Otherwise you guys are searching for an answer (or to blame an institution that profiles as "liberal") to a problem that doesn't exist, sort of virtue-signaling.And since I don't want to get dinged by the Glove for being too "political," I'm out of here. I am not virtue-signaling, at least I hope that I am not. I care about the environment. I want to limit the amount of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere. It is aggravating that more people are not taking steps to individually limit CO2. Everyone should be working together to do so. That is the way that you affect change. Person by person. Little by little. What is galling to me is hypocrisy. Hypocrisy galls me. How can the great students, staff, and people of Berkeley be ok with this? I look to Berkeley and Stanford to set the environmental example, to care even more about the environment than I do, your average Joe Shmoe. And here those sons of b#*tches are, pumping CO2 into the atmosphere like it is going out of style. Hypocrites! Every single student, staff, and homeowner in Berkeley and Stanford are hypocrites. Where are the protests? Where are the campus takeovers? You're a bunch of pathetic, spineless hypocrites all of you! Start talking about banning cows and then this? The environment must not be important. Global warming is a hoax! It is a hoax! I know that it is a hoax, because Cal and Stanford took a pay-cut to join the ACC. Sniveling and spineless slugs. I really want Oregon State to destroy Cal in 18 days. They not only sold Oregon State out, but they also sold everyone in the world out. I never expected more out of Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Washington. They sold their souls a long time ago. But Cal and Stanford! Two once-proud universities, used to stand for something, used to mean something, but those days must be gone, because here we are.
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 8, 2024 14:24:40 GMT -8
The above mileage for Stanford women’s volleyball is only the conference regular season. Doesn’t count post season games which they usually participate in. They will charter at least 3 flights. And the NCAA would have chartered those flights no matter which conference Stanford was in. the NCAA is not chartering flights for Stanford’s regular season trips across country
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 8, 2024 14:36:27 GMT -8
Environmental concerns aside, and debates about what virtues are being signaled by whom, here is what really disappoints me about Cal/Stanford..... (before I get to that, USC/UCLA/UW/uo are a bunch of money grubbing traitorous scumbags that can't be trusted in any negotiations (think original "Han shot first" Star Wars Mos Eisley denizens, but you already knew that....) Where was I? Ah, yes, what really galls me about Calford is they could have been party to exactly the same thinking being exhibited by OSU/WSU right now, of "look, we can rebuild, be reborn, create our own path forward". A kernel of a conference comprising WSU/OSU/Calford would have had a lot going for it by way of West coast product......They didn't need to take a "pennies on the dollar" bad deal, but since conference migration was in the air, their administrators didn't want to lose their "heft", so their ADs made choices that in the very near term preserve their grand dominion over athletic endeavors befitting their grand stature, but likely NOT good for their constituencies in the medium to long term. What they were willing to sell out on is really sad. They did nothing to arrest the trend of commoditizing the athlete and ignored all academic consequences (and likely, if any, minimization of carbon footprint as well).
Sad, but likely just a footnote in the ongoing sage of scholarship student-athletes becoming hired athletes at institutions where there are coincidentally students as well. I guess we expected better from Calford, but apparently an unfounded expectation. Many of my friends learned surprising things about their ex-partners during divorce proceedings as well.....
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