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Post by beavadelic on Oct 22, 2016 18:41:08 GMT -8
I mean, we weren't "good", but I really love the fact that those kids keep competing. In fact, my son commented that we are a real PAC 12 QB and 2 strong DEs away from being able to be a competitive team most Saturdays.
I have appreciated that we have dominated the 3rd quarter this year. Granted, in a couple of games our opponent so thoroughly crushed us in the first half that they were sort of on cruise control, but coming out of the locker room inspired and getting some things done is encouraging to me.
Today, we played a machine, but while the outcome was inevitable, it was a lot more respectable than I anticipated going in. The final score would have been much worse had the dawgs kept their foot on the throttle.
I appreciated the strong effort from Timmy Cook, and Victor had some nice moments (wish we could get our speed kids in space more often). The O-line did some nice things in the run game t times, and Bright had another strong game. We continue to have poor pass blocking and mediocre QB play, drop too many important catchable balls, and don't have any pass rush.
I'm happy to see our kids competing to the final whistle and am pretty sure I see some improvement, but it's hard to tell, given the fact that this is the most inconsistent year I've seen in the league in a long time. We probably have 4 or 5 teams capable of playing top 15 football on good days, but virtually none of them play that way regularly. ''Tis the season of enigmas in this league!
My biggest concern moving forward (other than recruiting more real D1 talent) is that we very well may enter next season with a brand new starting QB for the 3rd straight year. Weird stuff!
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 22, 2016 19:05:54 GMT -8
Watching the Beavs this year is like watching a Rocky movie.
They come out against a physically superior opponent and then they get real good and bloody. But they refuse to give up and they keep scrapping and in a few fights they manage to stay in it.
IN the Cal game they ran right out and punched their opponent right in the nose and then jumped on them, then hung on through the resulting onslaught to gut out a tough victory.
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 22, 2016 19:51:56 GMT -8
considering how we looked playing through the buffs game this season I'd say things are looking much better for winning and we have a legit shot at winning last 4 PAC games (progress is being made).
Tim Cook looked great in our first game of the season? on his TD run, glad to see him getting some reps cuz he's a beast. And our QB now can actually throw a complete pass further than 15 yds down field. besides health all we really need is a DE to suddenly turn into a pass rush beast (eat more spinach)
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 22, 2016 20:02:02 GMT -8
considering how we looked playing through the buffs game this season I'd say things are looking much better for winning and we have a legit shot at winning last 4 PAC games (progress is being made). Tim Cook looked great in our first game of the season? on his TD run, glad to see him getting some reps cuz he's a beast. And our QB now can actually throw a complete pass further than 15 yds down field. besides health all we really need is a DE to suddenly turn into a pass rush beast (eat more spinach) Tim needs to work on his pass blocking. Somebody show him some film of Quizz picking up the blitz. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 22, 2016 20:15:55 GMT -8
Watching the Beavs this year is like watching a Rocky movie. They come out against a physically superior opponent and then they get real good and bloody. But they refuse to give up and they keep scrapping and in a few fights they manage to stay in it. IN the Cal game they ran right out and punched their opponent right in the nose and then jumped on them, then hung on through the resulting onslaught to gut out a tough victory. Hahaha OA with a boxing analogy...whodathunkit |
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 23, 2016 19:10:50 GMT -8
Watching the Beavs this year is like watching a Rocky movie. They come out against a physically superior opponent and then they get real good and bloody. But they refuse to give up and they keep scrapping and in a few fights they manage to stay in it. IN the Cal game they ran right out and punched their opponent right in the nose and then jumped on them, then hung on through the resulting onslaught to gut out a tough victory. Hahaha OA with a boxing analogy...whodathunkit When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail... haha |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 23, 2016 20:24:54 GMT -8
I mean, we weren't "good", but I really love the fact that those kids keep competing. In fact, my son commented that we are a real PAC 12 QB and 2 strong DEs away from being able to be a competitive team most Saturdays. I have appreciated that we have dominated the 3rd quarter this year. Granted, in a couple of games our opponent so thoroughly crushed us in the first half that they were sort of on cruise control, but coming out of the locker room inspired and getting some things done is encouraging to me. Today, we played a machine, but while the outcome was inevitable, it was a lot more respectable than I anticipated going in. The final score would have been much worse had the dawgs kept their foot on the throttle. I appreciated the strong effort from Timmy Cook, and Victor had some nice moments (wish we could get our speed kids in space more often). The O-line did some nice things in the run game t times, and Bright had another strong game. We continue to have poor pass blocking and mediocre QB play, drop too many important catchable balls, and don't have any pass rush. I'm happy to see our kids competing to the final whistle and am pretty sure I see some improvement, but it's hard to tell, given the fact that this is the most inconsistent year I've seen in the league in a long time. We probably have 4 or 5 teams capable of playing top 15 football on good days, but virtually none of them play that way regularly. ''Tis the season of enigmas in this league! My biggest concern moving forward (other than recruiting more real D1 talent) is that we very well may enter next season with a brand new starting QB for the 3rd straight year. Weird stuff! I have said for awhile we are a real QB away... I would argue realistically a couple of DEs like you said (cough, and going 4-3...) But that is the BIG BIG pull right now. We are putting our faith in this staff to recruit and develop that guy. Getting a run of DA, Matt Moore, Canfield and Movaeo and then Mannion seems like a distant memory at this point. basically 4 straight NFL QBs to some degree (yes, I know we that that Ryan Katz year... and hey, even he was an FA for the Broncos) Nobody on this roster is even in that zip code. We have some warriors,we have some good kids, and I am not trying to dog on them too hard. but man, we do not have a guy at QB that is even in the long shot conversation as an NFL talent. we just came off more than a decade of having one running the show here. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Oct 24, 2016 6:53:16 GMT -8
Even the NFL is short on NFL talent at the QB spot. The QB play has been horrible in the league this year.
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Post by beavs6 on Oct 24, 2016 8:18:04 GMT -8
Even the NFL is short on NFL talent at the QB spot. The QB play has been horrible in the league this year. I was thinking about this the other day. Where have all the good QB's in the PAC-12 gone. It used to be that if you were up against a moderate skilled QB you were lucky. Even a Rosen at UCLA is off what he was perceived to be able to do. Browning I get...but then who? We used to have a good one...so did Stanford...so did oregon...so did Arizona. Webb-ok. Falk at WSU is good. It just seems that the PAC-12 used to have A LOT of good QB's, and now it is meh. |
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 24, 2016 8:47:33 GMT -8
Even the NFL is short on NFL talent at the QB spot. The QB play has been horrible in the league this year. I was thinking about this the other day. Where have all the good QB's in the PAC-12 gone. It used to be that if you were up against a moderate skilled QB you were lucky. Even a Rosen at UCLA is off what he was perceived to be able to do. Browning I get...but then who? We used to have a good one...so did Stanford...so did oregon...so did Arizona. Webb-ok. Falk at WSU is good. It just seems that the PAC-12 used to have A LOT of good QB's, and now it is meh. It's just cyclical. and a little bit of perception. Also, the position has changed for many teams, back to a more running or at least a position that requires more mobility, so the pure passers may not get the opportunity they once did. add to the good list: Darnold at USC. that's: Browning, Webb, Falk and Darnold that are pretty good: an upperclassman, a transfer and two underclassmen. |
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 24, 2016 11:35:43 GMT -8
Even the NFL is short on NFL talent at the QB spot. The QB play has been horrible in the league this year. I was thinking about this the other day. Where have all the good QB's in the PAC-12 gone. It used to be that if you were up against a moderate skilled QB you were lucky. Even a Rosen at UCLA is off what he was perceived to be able to do. Browning I get...but then who? We used to have a good one...so did Stanford...so did oregon...so did Arizona. Webb-ok. Falk at WSU is good. It just seems that the PAC-12 used to have A LOT of good QB's, and now it is meh. It's what happens when the bulk of the league dumps the pro-set for a spread option-based offense. Even the teams that don't run it, run elements of it. It's like watching the Pac-12 grow up to be the SEC. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 24, 2016 12:39:41 GMT -8
I was thinking about this the other day. Where have all the good QB's in the PAC-12 gone. It used to be that if you were up against a moderate skilled QB you were lucky. Even a Rosen at UCLA is off what he was perceived to be able to do. Browning I get...but then who? We used to have a good one...so did Stanford...so did oregon...so did Arizona. Webb-ok. Falk at WSU is good. It just seems that the PAC-12 used to have A LOT of good QB's, and now it is meh. It's what happens when the bulk of the league dumps the pro-set for a spread option-based offense. Even the teams that don't run it, run elements of it. It's like watching the Pac-12 grow up to be the SEC. My father-in-law is a big Green Bay fan. He said that the worst thing that happened to the NFC in the aughts (first decade of the 21st century) was the St. Louis Rams going to two Super Bowls in '00 and '02. All of the NFC teams tried to out-St. Louis St. Louis. The NFC became really pass-happy and stopped being able to run the ball effectively and did not really focus on the defense. The result was the AFC winning 7 of the 9 Super Bowls after the Rams won the Super Bowl in 2000. I posted my opinion years ago that the Oregon Loophole was a flash in the pan. That it was akin to the proliferation of the wishbone offense in the late '60s and early '70s that everyone ran. The defenses eventually adjusted and created near unwatchable football. The problem with the Pac-12 now is that Oregon found success here once running hurry-up spread option. The conference is trying to out-Oregon Oregon. The problem of course is that the Loophole has been exposed. Now, we have a glut of teams running a failed offensive scheme. While Washington runs a pro-style scheme to a playoff spot and Washington State sta. It is like watching the SEC a decade ago, running terrible offenses against better-schemed defenses. It was one of the big reasons that I backed Riley's offensive scheme. It was a scheme that I knew actually worked. Of course, Oregon State tried to hop on board and chased off its one quarterback with NFL talent in the process. The next offensive coordinator needs to do one of two things (1) run an offense that actually works or (2) tries to figure out the next big thing and implement that. Otherwise, Oregon State will stands to be the team running the eighth best version of a failed offense next year.........Or the Beavers could double-down and hire Helfrich as Oregon State's offensive coordinator, once the ink dries on his inevitable pink slip. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Oct 24, 2016 12:52:06 GMT -8
Stanford's not running the spread - and has the most anemic offense in the league.
As for chasing off a QB with NFL talent....well, guess that remains to be seen.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 24, 2016 13:08:53 GMT -8
Stanford's not running the spread - and has the most anemic offense in the league. As for chasing off a QB with NFL talent....well, guess that remains to be seen. I believe that Del Rio has the most passing yards in an SEC game since 2004. Luke Del Rio is 4-0 as a starter, and Florida controls their own destiny in the East with four games to play. He looked shaky against Missouri. (Did not play for almost a month because of his injury and the hurricane.) But he has two weeks to heal up for The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party. As to your point though, of the Oregon State quarterbacks on roster in 2014 or that have been recruited since, if he does not have NFL talent, he has the most NFL talent. |
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 24, 2016 13:32:36 GMT -8
Stanford's not running the spread - and has the most anemic offense in the league. As for chasing off a QB with NFL talent....well, guess that remains to be seen. Simply "not running the spread" doesn't guarantee you some sort of repeatable success. Stanford is running 1990's Big 10 offenses under Shaw. Results were good early on with an NFL QB. Since then, not so much, they've been mixed at best. |
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