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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 26, 2024 17:05:11 GMT -8
I do think the Pac-12 should offer a full share to Gonzaga. While it's not a football school, it is absolutely an elite basketball school. It is a nationally recognized brand and will boost the perception of the Pac-12 to a good degree. Right now, that's huge for a newly forming conference. Power for how long? Few can’t coach forever. There’s no guarantee after that. Look at other great programs that fell apart after the long-term successful coach retired. Georgetown Louisville Indiana UNLV Oregon State! Arkansas UTEP/Texas Western Maryland Others |
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Post by richard44 on Sept 26, 2024 17:06:40 GMT -8
I watched a news clip from Hawaii, and they have a pretty big financial group pushing for Hawaii to join the Pac 12.
If you could get Hawaii for football, that would give you the eight teams you need for a conference. What about then adding Gonzaga and Grand Canyon University for basketball and baseball? That would make for a really good basketball conference, and a pretty decent baseball conference. Football wise, the top end of our conference would easily be the top G5 conference in the nation.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 26, 2024 17:13:12 GMT -8
I watched a news clip from Hawaii, and they have a pretty big financial group pushing for Hawaii to join the Pac 12. If you could get Hawaii for football, that would give you the eight teams you need for a conference. What about then adding Gonzaga and Grand Canyon University for basketball and baseball? That would make for a really good basketball conference, and a pretty decent baseball conference. Football wise, the top end of our conference would easily be the top G5 conference in the nation. What does Hawaii add? |
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Post by richard44 on Sept 26, 2024 17:18:52 GMT -8
I watched a news clip from Hawaii, and they have a pretty big financial group pushing for Hawaii to join the Pac 12. If you could get Hawaii for football, that would give you the eight teams you need for a conference. What about then adding Gonzaga and Grand Canyon University for basketball and baseball? That would make for a really good basketball conference, and a pretty decent baseball conference. Football wise, the top end of our conference would easily be the top G5 conference in the nation. What does Hawaii add? Pretty much just an 8th team, not a whole lot else. Maybe some recruiting? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 26, 2024 17:34:13 GMT -8
I watched a news clip from Hawaii, and they have a pretty big financial group pushing for Hawaii to join the Pac 12. If you could get Hawaii for football, that would give you the eight teams you need for a conference. What about then adding Gonzaga and Grand Canyon University for basketball and baseball? That would make for a really good basketball conference, and a pretty decent baseball conference. Football wise, the top end of our conference would easily be the top G5 conference in the nation. Grand Canyon is on the rise, as a school. Great campus (not OSU great  ), and a really energized student body. GCU men's basketball plays ASU on November 14th. And besides, if we added GCU, Wilky could come and watch some games, being in the Phoenix area. Hell, we might even have to schedule a tailgater there. The weather in Nov/ Dec and Jan is probably pretty awesome, compared to here! I know adding GCU at this point doesn't move the prestige or power of the PAC, but it gets us access to another huge TV market.
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Post by 93beav on Sept 26, 2024 17:37:25 GMT -8
Not a huge fan of eastern teams either, but I think having an eastern division would put us on much more stable, healthier ground, and give us more leverage for the best TV deal we can get. Somebody mentioned earlier: All the P4 conferences are nationwide now, in all timezones. We will have competition for eyeballs in every time zone, and being limited to just one timezone makes us a less compelling content provider. I think having a national footprint will help maximize TV revenue. Now that we know where we stand with the MWC, I'm all for redoubling our efforts in adding 3 or 5 teams from Texas and further east from there. Increase the payout offer, if we must. If you add 3, then CSU and USU could be part of the east pod. If you add 5, then you put CSU in the east. Maybe my assumption about TV revenue is wrong. I still think we should take a break from chasing after an 8th team, and get to some serious negotions with TV providers. If those talks don't lead where we hope, or if we get feedback that a wider footprint will increase our value, that's where we should go, whatever it takes. I think people (and the conference) need to figure out what they're after ultimately... Will we ever equal the P2? No, unless there is a material shakeup in all of CFB. Will we ever equal any of the P4? Ehh...I know many people will say never, but I think it really comes down to how things shakeout in the next five years. Media deals will be renegotiated and then maybe you bring people back (not Stanford). Then maybe you're on equal or better footing with ACC remnant league, right below B12, and well below P2. If you want to get to this point, you need a nation-wide presence, more exposure and more money. If you just want to be a regional player and you don't care about any of that then, yes, no eastward expansion. There is no right answer. Make a run for it as a hardworking Beaver with a chip on its shoulder (in its mouth?) or enjoy college football just as a sport, rather than a pseudo-extension of a university. Either way will be fine. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 26, 2024 17:38:23 GMT -8
I do think the Pac-12 should offer a full share to Gonzaga. While it's not a football school, it is absolutely an elite basketball school. It is a nationally recognized brand and will boost the perception of the Pac-12 to a good degree. Right now, that's huge for a newly forming conference. Power for how long? Few can’t coach forever. There’s no guarantee after that. Look at other great programs that fell apart after the long-term successful coach retired. Georgetown Louisville Indiana UNLV Oregon State! Arkansas UTEP/Texas Western Maryland Others Oregon State, especially with recent donations from Nvidia, has the resources and the brainpower to create an AI Mark Few. Essentially, Mark Few will coach forever. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 26, 2024 17:50:11 GMT -8
Not a huge fan of eastern teams either, but I think having an eastern division would put us on much more stable, healthier ground, and give us more leverage for the best TV deal we can get. Somebody mentioned earlier: All the P4 conferences are nationwide now, in all timezones. We will have competition for eyeballs in every time zone, and being limited to just one timezone makes us a less compelling content provider. I think having a national footprint will help maximize TV revenue. Now that we know where we stand with the MWC, I'm all for redoubling our efforts in adding 3 or 5 teams from Texas and further east from there. Increase the payout offer, if we must. If you add 3, then CSU and USU could be part of the east pod. If you add 5, then you put CSU in the east. Maybe my assumption about TV revenue is wrong. I still think we should take a break from chasing after an 8th team, and get to some serious negotions with TV providers. If those talks don't lead where we hope, or if we get feedback that a wider footprint will increase our value, that's where we should go, whatever it takes. I think people (and the conference) need to figure out what they're after ultimately... Will we ever equal the P2? No, unless there is a material shakeup in all of CFB. Will we ever equal any of the P4? Ehh...I know many people will say never, but I think it really comes down to how things shakeout in the next five years. Media deals will be renegotiated and then maybe you bring people back (not Stanford). Then maybe you're on equal or better footing with ACC remnant league, right below B12, and well below P2. If you want to get to this point, you need a nation-wide presence, more exposure and more money. If you just want to be a regional player and you don't care about any of that then, yes, no eastward expansion. There is no right answer. Make a run for it as a hardworking Beaver with a chip on its shoulder (in its mouth?) or enjoy college football just as a sport, rather than a pseudo-extension of a university. Either way will be fine. P2? What? |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 26, 2024 17:55:23 GMT -8
I think people (and the conference) need to figure out what they're after ultimately... Will we ever equal the P2? No, unless there is a material shakeup in all of CFB. Will we ever equal any of the P4? Ehh...I know many people will say never, but I think it really comes down to how things shakeout in the next five years. Media deals will be renegotiated and then maybe you bring people back (not Stanford). Then maybe you're on equal or better footing with ACC remnant league, right below B12, and well below P2. If you want to get to this point, you need a nation-wide presence, more exposure and more money. If you just want to be a regional player and you don't care about any of that then, yes, no eastward expansion. There is no right answer. Make a run for it as a hardworking Beaver with a chip on its shoulder (in its mouth?) or enjoy college football just as a sport, rather than a pseudo-extension of a university. Either way will be fine. P2? What? B10 and $EC You know, now that I think about it - the Pac-12 should have taken the warchest and acted as PEs for one of those two. Invested a ton of money in them to have some control but also make bank. That way if we succeed, we get money. If they succeed, we get money. And all living OSU alumni between the ages of 45-55 get some sort of massive dividend. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 26, 2024 18:16:41 GMT -8
B10 and $EC You know, now that I think about it - the Pac-12 should have taken the warchest and acted as PEs for one of those two. Invested a ton of money in them to have some control but also make bank. That way if we succeed, we get money. If they succeed, we get money. And all living OSU alumni between the ages of 45-55 get some sort of massive dividend. Apparently I need to drink more, then come back to this thread so I understand it! |
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Post by grayman on Sept 26, 2024 18:24:24 GMT -8
I do think the Pac-12 should offer a full share to Gonzaga. While it's not a football school, it is absolutely an elite basketball school. It is a nationally recognized brand and will boost the perception of the Pac-12 to a good degree. Right now, that's huge for a newly forming conference. Power for how long? Few can’t coach forever. There’s no guarantee after that. Look at other great programs that fell apart after the long-term successful coach retired. Georgetown Louisville Indiana UNLV Oregon State! Arkansas UTEP/Texas Western Maryland Others Yeah, I still think it's worth the risk. Maybe they add some language to bump it down some if Few retires within a certain time frame. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 26, 2024 18:33:13 GMT -8
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 26, 2024 18:44:05 GMT -8
Power for how long? Few can’t coach forever. There’s no guarantee after that. Look at other great programs that fell apart after the long-term successful coach retired. Georgetown Louisville Indiana UNLV Oregon State! Arkansas UTEP/Texas Western Maryland Others Yeah, I still think it's worth the risk. Maybe they add some language to bump it down some if Few retires within a certain time frame. lol. You really think a school would sign a contract based on their coach staying. No freaking way. |
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Post by wetrodentia on Sept 26, 2024 19:04:46 GMT -8
I’ve been writing a monthly check to GCU for 3+ years and will likely do it again in a few years, and am perfectly happy with the investment. I don’t put much stock in US News or the Biden Administration going after a successful Christian University. I personally know a dozen plus parents whose kids went to GCU and have heard nothing but positive experiences and solid educations leading to good jobs for their kids. Others mileage may vary. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 26, 2024 19:37:17 GMT -8
Yeah, I still think it's worth the risk. Maybe they add some language to bump it down some if Few retires within a certain time frame. lol. You really think a school would sign a contract based on their coach staying. No freaking way. Sure...it's crazy talk in this day and age. Lol. Anyway, Gonzaga might agree to something like a three-quarters share, IDK. I just believe the Pac-12 should make it happen if at all possible. |
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), and a really energized student body. GCU men's basketball plays ASU on November 14th. And besides, if we added GCU, Wilky could come and watch some games, being in the Phoenix area. Hell, we might even have to schedule a tailgater there. The weather in Nov/ Dec and Jan is probably pretty awesome, compared to here!
