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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 17, 2024 17:04:18 GMT -8
Barnes says he is looking for nine football schools, but I do not know how serious that is. I think that the goal is probably 12 adding Memphis, South Florida, Tulane, UNLV, and UTSA. You could have six "East" teams consisting of the four AAC teams plus Colorado State and Utah State. Everyone else is in the West. You play everyone in your division and half of the teams in the other division playing everyone in the East home-and-home over a period of four years. If UNLV does not come, you probably add a East Carolina or a team from Oklahoma or Texas. Then, Utah State joins the Western pod. The AAC currently has 13 basketball teams, so that does not seem like a major issue. They play an 18-game schedule. But you could play a 20-game schedule just as easy. 14 is too many teams. I do not see something that ambitious happening. So Barnes is a liar? 👍 They will only add schools if the media deal they negotiate wants additional schools. I don’t see a lot out there with high demand. Saying they want 9 schools then doing something else because a new opportunity presents itself that is good, doesn't make you a liar. Barnes is saying "this is what we are planning on doing". Plans change. that doesn't make you a liar. Right now, today, the Pac-12 probably wants 9 schools. Maybe they stay with 9 schools. Or maybe something moves and there is a block of 4 AAC schools that wants to come over and join and it is just too good to pass up. the terms change. Ain't nobody a liar here. This is such a weird take. In life you gotta be flexible. The Pac-12 would be dumb to be as so rigid to stick with an absolute like ONLY 9 football schools. It is a good target. Sure. It is not etched in stone from the heavens. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2024 17:15:08 GMT -8
So Barnes is a liar? 👍 They will only add schools if the media deal they negotiate wants additional schools. I don’t see a lot out there with high demand. Saying they want 9 schools then doing something else because a new opportunity presents itself that is good, doesn't make you a liar. Barnes is saying "this is what we are planning on doing". Plans change. that doesn't make you a liar. Right now, today, the Pac-12 probably wants 9 schools. Maybe they stay with 9 schools. Or maybe something moves and there is a block of 4 AAC schools that wants to come over and join and it is just too good to pass up. the terms change. Ain't nobody a liar here. This is such a weird take. In life you gotta be flexible. The Pac-12 would be dumb to be as so rigid to stick with an absolute like ONLY 9 football schools. It is a good target. Sure. It is not etched in stone from the heavens. All I’m saying is that there’s a reason he said that. There’s not enough movement of the needle with media companies to invite more than a couple of schools. Yes, that could change if the media package is willing to pay more for certain schools, but with the potential schools available, that is probably unlikely. If you just add schools to add schools, you’re just diluting the conference and the media money. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2024 21:55:35 GMT -8
Saying they want 9 schools then doing something else because a new opportunity presents itself that is good, doesn't make you a liar. Barnes is saying "this is what we are planning on doing". Plans change. that doesn't make you a liar. Right now, today, the Pac-12 probably wants 9 schools. Maybe they stay with 9 schools. Or maybe something moves and there is a block of 4 AAC schools that wants to come over and join and it is just too good to pass up. the terms change. Ain't nobody a liar here. This is such a weird take. In life you gotta be flexible. The Pac-12 would be dumb to be as so rigid to stick with an absolute like ONLY 9 football schools. It is a good target. Sure. It is not etched in stone from the heavens. All I’m saying is that there’s a reason he said that. There’s not enough movement of the needle with media companies to invite more than a couple of schools. Yes, that could change if the media package is willing to pay more for certain schools, but with the potential schools available, that is probably unlikely. If you just add schools to add schools, you’re just diluting the conference and the media money. Adding schools just to add schools would be dumb. Adding schools to add timezones/regions/market share and eyeballs makes sense. If the CW and a major streamer (Amazon and Apple have been rumored at one time or another) are interested, they're probably not wanting to pay to add Laramie or Reno and some other western schools mentioned. Add a Texas school or two, Memphis, New Orleans, Tampa, maybe others out east... that might be worth paying for if it expands the national audience. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 18, 2024 6:34:53 GMT -8
Two pages later, and still no justification for adding basketball-only schools. Memphis and one more football school that also plays baseball.
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 18, 2024 8:49:29 GMT -8
All I’m saying is that there’s a reason he said that. There’s not enough movement of the needle with media companies to invite more than a couple of schools. Yes, that could change if the media package is willing to pay more for certain schools, but with the potential schools available, that is probably unlikely. If you just add schools to add schools, you’re just diluting the conference and the media money. Adding schools just to add schools would be dumb. Adding schools to add timezones/regions/market share and eyeballs makes sense. If the CW and a major streamer (Amazon and Apple have been rumored at one time or another) are interested, they're probably not wanting to pay to add Laramie or Reno and some other western schools mentioned. Add a Texas school or two, Memphis, New Orleans, Tampa, maybe others out east... that might be worth paying for if it expands the national audience. Reno's MSA is 565,000. Now I continually hear chatter about OSU being a "small market" program. Which only makes sense if you are considering OSU's "market" as the Corvallis/Albany - Linn/Benton MSA of appx 230,000. But obviously, OSU's primary media market is the greater Portland MSA of 2.5 million. Which even considering the split between us and uo, is not "small". And all within easy gameday driving range of Corvallis. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_metropolitan_area,_Oregon#Combined_Statistical_Area So, bottom line - I agree that UNR is in a "minor" media market compared to OSU. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Oct 18, 2024 14:12:56 GMT -8
Is the market really that important? Seems like smart business people would pay attention to how many eyes are on the product not how many potential eyes are on the product.
Nevada at San Jose State had a whopping 28k viewers despite media markets in the multi millions of potential viewers.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 18, 2024 14:50:46 GMT -8
Is the market really that important? Seems like smart business people would pay attention to how many eyes are on the product not how many potential eyes are on the product. Nevada at San Jose State had a whopping 28k viewers despite media markets in the multi millions of potential viewers. My thinking on a possible eastern division and the CW (assuming the CW is in the mix for a TV contract) is the CW has stations all over central and eastern timezones and can probably charge their national advertisers a higher price if they are showing games (and advertizing) from every timezone rather than just the western US. The teams which have been mentioned for possible expansion already will help bolster those eastern eyeball numbers. There are 3 P4 conferences that got big TV money to add western teams to their offerings, it could work the other way around to a degree even now... the Pac 12 should have told USC's President to shut up and expanded eastward a few years ago. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 18, 2024 16:37:43 GMT -8
Two pages later, and still no justification for adding basketball-only schools. Memphis and one more football school that also plays baseball. There is plenty of justification of they are a partial share arrangement. There is not if there are more like Gonzaga... |
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Post by grayman on Oct 18, 2024 17:33:13 GMT -8
As far as Barnes wanting nine teams, this is his reasoning. It's not a hard-and-fast number. This statement was after they added the four MWC teams but not yet Utah State and Gonzaga:
"What is the ideal number for 2026-27? Barnes said the Pac-12 is looking to add two to four more schools. He believes nine schools is an ideal number for football purposes. That allows the Pac-12 to play an eight-game conference schedule, with room for four nonconference games."
From Nick Daschel, The Oregonian
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Post by johnnychimpo on Oct 22, 2024 18:58:58 GMT -8
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 22, 2024 19:56:20 GMT -8
stop posting this in every thread |
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Post by joecool on Oct 22, 2024 19:59:16 GMT -8
Since when did St. Mary's get included?
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 22, 2024 20:22:32 GMT -8
Since when did St. Mary's get included? Ha! I was wondering who that was! |
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Post by ocbeav on Oct 22, 2024 22:22:08 GMT -8
stop posting this in every thread No Memphis? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 22, 2024 22:42:42 GMT -8
Since when did St. Mary's get included? Luke Fletcher is reporting that the Pac-12 is negotiating with both St. Mary's and Texas State. |
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