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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 11, 2024 13:49:07 GMT -8
Word is they already are. UNLV took the money bag...albeit a small one. Shortsighted decision for sure Is that what the story is? I thought UNLV was kind of playing more hardball but it's not necessarily a done deal. You would think that UNLV would have more bargaining power than say a Utah State. Supposedly UNLV and Air Force were offered big money to stay in the MWC 10-30 million depending on who you read. Who knows if the poaching fee suit changes things or not? |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 11, 2024 13:59:41 GMT -8
Is that what the story is? I thought UNLV was kind of playing more hardball but it's not necessarily a done deal. You would think that UNLV would have more bargaining power than say a Utah State. Supposedly UNLV and Air Force were offered big money to stay in the MWC 10-30 million depending on who you read. Who knows if the poaching fee suit changes things or not? Added... none of the "new" MWC signed anything legally binding. So, a one-time payout disappears pretty quickly if the Pac12 media deal ends up 2,3, or more times what the "new" MWC deal is without their (4) top programs! I'd guess if the Pac12 announces a nice media deal, UNLV changes tune quickly. And, some others will also want in... We'll see |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 11, 2024 14:45:32 GMT -8
Is that what the story is? I thought UNLV was kind of playing more hardball but it's not necessarily a done deal. You would think that UNLV would have more bargaining power than say a Utah State. Supposedly UNLV and Air Force were offered big money to stay in the MWC 10-30 million depending on who you read. Who knows if the poaching fee suit changes things or not? UNLV was promised somewhere between $19-$25 million to stay over six years, depending on various things. And the Mountain West promised to allow UNLV to leave for a different conference (not the Pac-12) for free later and that they would get at least $3.5 million base on top of the $19-$25 million and that the Mountain West Basketball Tournament would be in Las Vegas, and that the Mountain West's headquarters would be moved to Las Vegas. Hopefully, the poaching fee suit changes things. Also, I hope that the Mountain West teams will fight their exit fees. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 11, 2024 14:47:26 GMT -8
Word is they already are. UNLV took the money bag...albeit a small one. Shortsighted decision for sure Is that what the story is? I thought UNLV was kind of playing more hardball but it's not necessarily a done deal. You would think that UNLV would have more bargaining power than say a Utah State. That's the word. UNLV is in the red big time for them. They had an opportunity to take a solid step up...huge for hoops. Instead they took two steps back. The problem for UNLV is it's the ultimate "if you build it we will come" donor base. The majority of big donors are transplants with no ties to UNLV. They simply aren't invested until they are winning. They didn't step up to help with the buyout. From UNLVs perspective it's a chicken or egg thing. Regardless, they will get cash up front and a s%#try TV deal, or suck it up for greener pastures in Pac 12, and perhaps a really big pasture on down the road. They played it safe. For now. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 11, 2024 14:59:54 GMT -8
Word is they already are. UNLV took the money bag...albeit a small one. Shortsighted decision for sure Is that what the story is? I thought UNLV was kind of playing more hardball but it's not necessarily a done deal. You would think that UNLV would have more bargaining power than say a Utah State. I think that the issue is that UNLV has more bargaining power with the Mountain West than they have with the Pac-12. The Mountain West needs UNLV a lot more than the Pac-12 needs UNLV. And apparently, the Mountain West needs UNLV $19-$25 million more than than the Pac-12 needs UNLV. The Pac-12 has been paying what they think everyone is worth and do not believe that UNLV is worth the $19-$25 million or whatever UNLV is asking for. |
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Post by 93beav on Oct 11, 2024 17:10:24 GMT -8
Is that what the story is? I thought UNLV was kind of playing more hardball but it's not necessarily a done deal. You would think that UNLV would have more bargaining power than say a Utah State. I think that the issue is that UNLV has more bargaining power with the Mountain West than they have with the Pac-12. The Mountain West needs UNLV a lot more than the Pac-12 needs UNLV. And apparently, the Mountain West needs UNLV $19-$25 million more than than the Pac-12 needs UNLV. The Pac-12 has been paying what they think everyone is worth and do not believe that UNLV is worth the $19-$25 million or whatever UNLV is asking for. There was also some quote, I think from Barnes or Gould many weeks ago that they were going to come around to programs and ask them to join and show them what they could do and if they didn't take the leap of faith, they weren't coming back to them. Seems like with Memphis they broke that rule, but I don't think they'll do that with UNLV. They are trying to bring in schools who aren't only committed (budget wise) but who seem to want to take a little bit of a gamble up front. UNLV and Memphis think they are the bees knees and they should get everything they demand. In the case on UNLV, they just have nothing to back it up. Subtract this football season and they have bad teams, horrible attendance, 2nd fewest or fewest eyeballs in the MWC...it's just...why does anyone want them?!?!?! |
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Post by messi on Oct 15, 2024 13:10:41 GMT -8
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Post by 93beav on Oct 15, 2024 14:18:56 GMT -8
And Hawaii no longer has to pay travel subsidies to other mwc teams. They must be banking on something other than exit fees because they are pouring out cash left and right. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 15, 2024 15:49:59 GMT -8
And Hawaii no longer has to pay travel subsidies to other mwc teams. They must be banking on something other than exit fees because they are pouring out cash left and right. That makes me think that the Mountain West was worried that the Pac-12 was either making a play for Hawai'i or was going to make a play for Hawai'i. Or does it mean that everyone else said, "No," to the Mountain West? Curious. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 16, 2024 11:09:26 GMT -8
Weren’t they “Plan G?”
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 16, 2024 11:22:27 GMT -8
Come on... Hawaii.. "Plan H"... after the long painful deliberation of "preparation H". 😉 |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 16, 2024 12:25:17 GMT -8
Come on... Hawaii.. "Plan H"... after the long painful deliberation of "preparation H". 😉 |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 16, 2024 12:33:39 GMT -8
And Hawaii no longer has to pay travel subsidies to other mwc teams. They must be banking on something other than exit fees because they are pouring out cash left and right. That makes me think that the Mountain West was worried that the Pac-12 was either making a play for Hawai'i or was going to make a play for Hawai'i. Or does it mean that everyone else said, "No," to the Mountain West? Curious. No way we were going to take Hawaii. There are several schools that would jump at us before them. We basically know as nearly outright fact Texas State said no to the MWC hoping for Pac-12 invite. Something is going to happen with either Memphis and AAC schools or a couple Texas schools. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 16, 2024 12:38:12 GMT -8
I think that the issue is that UNLV has more bargaining power with the Mountain West than they have with the Pac-12. The Mountain West needs UNLV a lot more than the Pac-12 needs UNLV. And apparently, the Mountain West needs UNLV $19-$25 million more than than the Pac-12 needs UNLV. The Pac-12 has been paying what they think everyone is worth and do not believe that UNLV is worth the $19-$25 million or whatever UNLV is asking for. There was also some quote, I think from Barnes or Gould many weeks ago that they were going to come around to programs and ask them to join and show them what they could do and if they didn't take the leap of faith, they weren't coming back to them. Seems like with Memphis they broke that rule, but I don't think they'll do that with UNLV. They are trying to bring in schools who aren't only committed (budget wise) but who seem to want to take a little bit of a gamble up front. UNLV and Memphis think they are the bees knees and they should get everything they demand. In the case on UNLV, they just have nothing to back it up. Subtract this football season and they have bad teams, horrible attendance, 2nd fewest or fewest eyeballs in the MWC...it's just...why does anyone want them?!?!?! I think you are right. My completely out of my own ass opinion: Gonzaga changed the calculus and made Memphis the must. Pac-12 is a better basketball conference than football conference now, or at least has the likely ability to be. Getting Memphis solidifies it, and really pushing that ability to rolling in NCAA credits. the unique 50-50 share is appealing. The one time take it or leave it ideal is out the window when suddenly we have something on our hand that could for real among the top in the nation for basketball, if we get Memphis and maybe some of those rumors of a St. Mary's and a GCU. Memphis also being serviceable in Football only solidifies them as the must. they make the minimum 8, but they bring in the basketball money and boosts that part of the conference that is now what the Pac-12 is really going to be selling. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 16, 2024 21:43:53 GMT -8
We need one, maybe two football teams. We already got the best WCC basketball team. We don't need anything more from that league, just more fingers in the media-rights pie.
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