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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2024 12:20:59 GMT -8
We need one, maybe two football teams. We already got the best WCC basketball team. We don't need anything more from that league, just more fingers in the media-rights pie. The new Pac whatever will need to take 2 football schools just to get to 8 league games and 4 non-league games. At which point, it might be diluting conference strength a bit to get to 9 schools all in the western and mountain time zones. I could see adding eastern schools, but if it's only 2 or 3 teams the travel situation really wouldn't be fair for the teams out east - see the thread about how the Pac 12 teams are doing for away games with significant travel. Ideally, in my mind anyway, the Pac would add 7 schools in the central and eastern time zones and form divisions. Everyone would get 6 intra-division games in the footprint they've been used to playing in, and would have only one long trip each to play the 2 remaining inter-divisional conference games (1 at home, 1 away) and still get to schedule 4 OOC games of their choosing. I don't know that there's 7 poachable good football/basketball out east, but Memphis, Tulane and USF would probably love being situated at the top of that new division. There'd be some more travel for the other sports with 2 divisions, but it would be pretty fair for all involved when it comes to distance. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 17, 2024 13:41:31 GMT -8
Can someone “in the KNOW,” tell me, WHY THIS IS SO f%#*ING HARD?” I know, Judge, “That’s what she said.” 😁
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2024 13:44:57 GMT -8
We need one, maybe two football teams. We already got the best WCC basketball team. We don't need anything more from that league, just more fingers in the media-rights pie. The new Pac whatever will need to take 2 football schools just to get to 8 league games and 4 non-league games. At which point, it might be diluting conference strength a bit to get to 9 schools all in the western and mountain time zones. I could see adding eastern schools, but if it's only 2 or 3 teams the travel situation really wouldn't be fair for the teams out east - see the thread about how the Pac 12 teams are doing for away games with significant travel.
Ideally, in my mind anyway, the Pac would add 7 schools in the central and eastern time zones and form divisions. Everyone would get 6 intra-division games in the footprint they've been used to playing in, and would have only one long trip each to play the 2 remaining inter-divisional conference games (1 at home, 1 away) and still get to schedule 4 OOC games of their choosing. I don't know that there's 7 poachable good football/basketball out east, but Memphis, Tulane and USF would probably love being situated at the top of that new division. There'd be some more travel for the other sports with 2 divisions, but it would be pretty fair for all involved when it comes to distance. This will not happen because there are not 7 other schools that bring enough media value to justify it. You just end up sharing more from the media contract that you have. Barnes has repeatedly said that they are looking for 9 football schools to justify an 8 game conference schedule. I doubt that you will see more than 2 more schools added unless the media powers ask for particular additional schools. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Oct 17, 2024 15:07:52 GMT -8
The new Pac whatever will need to take 2 football schools just to get to 8 league games and 4 non-league games. At which point, it might be diluting conference strength a bit to get to 9 schools all in the western and mountain time zones. I could see adding eastern schools, but if it's only 2 or 3 teams the travel situation really wouldn't be fair for the teams out east - see the thread about how the Pac 12 teams are doing for away games with significant travel.
Ideally, in my mind anyway, the Pac would add 7 schools in the central and eastern time zones and form divisions. Everyone would get 6 intra-division games in the footprint they've been used to playing in, and would have only one long trip each to play the 2 remaining inter-divisional conference games (1 at home, 1 away) and still get to schedule 4 OOC games of their choosing. I don't know that there's 7 poachable good football/basketball out east, but Memphis, Tulane and USF would probably love being situated at the top of that new division. There'd be some more travel for the other sports with 2 divisions, but it would be pretty fair for all involved when it comes to distance. This will not happen because there are not 7 other schools that bring enough media value to justify it. You just end up sharing more from the media contract that you have. Barnes has repeatedly said that they are looking for 9 football schools to justify an 8 game conference schedule. I doubt that you will see more than 2 more schools added unless the media powers ask for particular additional schools. I'd say it won't happen right now. More and more the next round of media deals looks to be a blood bath. |
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Post by cake on Oct 17, 2024 15:28:13 GMT -8
We need one, maybe two football teams. We already got the best WCC basketball team. We don't need anything more from that league, just more fingers in the media-rights pie. The new Pac whatever will need to take 2 football schools just to get to 8 league games and 4 non-league games. At which point, it might be diluting conference strength a bit to get to 9 schools all in the western and mountain time zones. I could see adding eastern schools, but if it's only 2 or 3 teams the travel situation really wouldn't be fair for the teams out east - see the thread about how the Pac 12 teams are doing for away games with significant travel. Ideally, in my mind anyway, the Pac would add 7 schools in the central and eastern time zones and form divisions. Everyone would get 6 intra-division games in the footprint they've been used to playing in, and would have only one long trip each to play the 2 remaining inter-divisional conference games (1 at home, 1 away) and still get to schedule 4 OOC games of their choosing. I don't know that there's 7 poachable good football/basketball out east, but Memphis, Tulane and USF would probably love being situated at the top of that new division. There'd be some more travel for the other sports with 2 divisions, but it would be pretty fair for all involved when it comes to distance. This is what I've been thinking. 7 eastern schools, 7 western. East plays the other 6 in the east, west plays the other 6 in the west. The last two weeks, you have the top 2 from the east play the top 2 in the west. It could build in a bunch of really exciting games for the 7th and 8th conference games and teams only have to travel across the country once. You could do the same thing for every sport, really. That way, if you're good at, baseball for instance you're not killing your RPI playing a school that sucks, you're playing somebody like East Carolina or JMU. And good basketball schools aren't wasting their time traveling 3,000 miles to kick our men's team around. Add a couple more non football schools if you need to. Creighton and Wichita State? Those 4 you mentioned plus ECU, UTSA, James Madison and...I don't know. UCONN would be great. If not, maybe Texas State? App State? And of you get two teams in Texas, maybe you have to move Colorado State to the East? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2024 15:43:36 GMT -8
The new Pac whatever will need to take 2 football schools just to get to 8 league games and 4 non-league games. At which point, it might be diluting conference strength a bit to get to 9 schools all in the western and mountain time zones. I could see adding eastern schools, but if it's only 2 or 3 teams the travel situation really wouldn't be fair for the teams out east - see the thread about how the Pac 12 teams are doing for away games with significant travel.
Ideally, in my mind anyway, the Pac would add 7 schools in the central and eastern time zones and form divisions. Everyone would get 6 intra-division games in the footprint they've been used to playing in, and would have only one long trip each to play the 2 remaining inter-divisional conference games (1 at home, 1 away) and still get to schedule 4 OOC games of their choosing. I don't know that there's 7 poachable good football/basketball out east, but Memphis, Tulane and USF would probably love being situated at the top of that new division. There'd be some more travel for the other sports with 2 divisions, but it would be pretty fair for all involved when it comes to distance. This will not happen because there are not 7 other schools that bring enough media value to justify it. You just end up sharing more from the media contract that you have. Barnes has repeatedly said that they are looking for 9 football schools to justify an 8 game conference schedule. I doubt that you will see more than 2 more schools added unless the media powers ask for particular additional schools. Some day I would like a clear explanation of media value explained to me. If it's all about city or market size, there could still be some schools from larger markets than several of our current 7 teams out there. If it's all about past or recent football success, that can be hard to judge. Last year the OSU VS Notre Dame bowl game drew 3.26 million eyeballs. The Texas State vs Rice drew 2.8 million. Not all that much different in my book, especially considering the following Notre Dame has nationally. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 17, 2024 16:06:41 GMT -8
The new Pac whatever will need to take 2 football schools just to get to 8 league games and 4 non-league games. At which point, it might be diluting conference strength a bit to get to 9 schools all in the western and mountain time zones. I could see adding eastern schools, but if it's only 2 or 3 teams the travel situation really wouldn't be fair for the teams out east - see the thread about how the Pac 12 teams are doing for away games with significant travel.
Ideally, in my mind anyway, the Pac would add 7 schools in the central and eastern time zones and form divisions. Everyone would get 6 intra-division games in the footprint they've been used to playing in, and would have only one long trip each to play the 2 remaining inter-divisional conference games (1 at home, 1 away) and still get to schedule 4 OOC games of their choosing. I don't know that there's 7 poachable good football/basketball out east, but Memphis, Tulane and USF would probably love being situated at the top of that new division. There'd be some more travel for the other sports with 2 divisions, but it would be pretty fair for all involved when it comes to distance. This will not happen because there are not 7 other schools that bring enough media value to justify it. You just end up sharing more from the media contract that you have. Barnes has repeatedly said that they are looking for 9 football schools to justify an 8 game conference schedule. I doubt that you will see more than 2 more schools added unless the media powers ask for particular additional schools. Barnes says he is looking for nine football schools, but I do not know how serious that is. I think that the goal is probably 12 adding Memphis, South Florida, Tulane, UNLV, and UTSA. You could have six "East" teams consisting of the four AAC teams plus Colorado State and Utah State. Everyone else is in the West. You play everyone in your division and half of the teams in the other division playing everyone in the East home-and-home over a period of four years. If UNLV does not come, you probably add a East Carolina or a team from Oklahoma or Texas. Then, Utah State joins the Western pod. The AAC currently has 13 basketball teams, so that does not seem like a major issue. They play an 18-game schedule. But you could play a 20-game schedule just as easy. 14 is too many teams. I do not see something that ambitious happening. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 17, 2024 16:18:33 GMT -8
This will not happen because there are not 7 other schools that bring enough media value to justify it. You just end up sharing more from the media contract that you have. Barnes has repeatedly said that they are looking for 9 football schools to justify an 8 game conference schedule. I doubt that you will see more than 2 more schools added unless the media powers ask for particular additional schools. Some day I would like a clear explanation of media value explained to me. If it's all about city or market size, there could still be some schools from larger markets than several of our current 7 teams out there. If it's all about past or recent football success, that can be hard to judge. Last year the OSU VS Notre Dame bowl game drew 3.26 million eyeballs. The Texas State vs Rice drew 2.8 million. Not all that much different in my book, especially considering the following Notre Dame has nationally. Lol. Clear? It's economics. Nothing is clear. Otherwise, everyone would be a millionaire. What is something worth? As much as someone will pay for it. Recent football success has something to do with it. But what exactly does "recent" mean? It is probably used in a way that makes Oregon State look bad. The Beavs have been generally awful for about a decade with only a slight upturn over the previous three years. The last 10-15 years is "recent" in most people's books. You can say that recent is more recent than that, but almost no one making decisions actually thinks that. That is just a blip. The Sun Bowl (OSU versus Notre Dame) only drew 3.26 million sets of eyeballs (presumably 6.52 total eyeballs or thereabouts?). The First Responder Bowl drew 2.8 million sets of eyeballs. Those are comparable. But that ignores time. The First Responder Bowl was at a better time, 5:30 p.m. EST, the day after Christmas versus 2:00 p.m. on the Friday between Christmas and New Years for the Sun Bowl. At that time, the Sun Bowl's 3.26 million viewers are worth about 25%-30% more than the First Responder's 2.8 million viewers. A better example is the Pinstripe and Texas Bowls. 80,000 more people watched the Texas Bowl, but the Pinstripe Bowl viewership is more valuable, because it was seven hours earlier in the day. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2024 16:24:59 GMT -8
This will not happen because there are not 7 other schools that bring enough media value to justify it. You just end up sharing more from the media contract that you have. Barnes has repeatedly said that they are looking for 9 football schools to justify an 8 game conference schedule. I doubt that you will see more than 2 more schools added unless the media powers ask for particular additional schools. Barnes says he is looking for nine football schools, but I do not know how serious that is. I think that the goal is probably 12 adding Memphis, South Florida, Tulane, UNLV, and UTSA. You could have six "East" teams consisting of the four AAC teams plus Colorado State and Utah State. Everyone else is in the West. You play everyone in your division and half of the teams in the other division playing everyone in the East home-and-home over a period of four years. If UNLV does not come, you probably add a East Carolina or a team from Oklahoma or Texas. Then, Utah State joins the Western pod. The AAC currently has 13 basketball teams, so that does not seem like a major issue. They play an 18-game schedule. But you could play a 20-game schedule just as easy. 14 is too many teams. I do not see something that ambitious happening. So Barnes is a liar? 👍 They will only add schools if the media deal they negotiate wants additional schools. I don’t see a lot out there with high demand. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2024 16:40:07 GMT -8
Barnes says he is looking for nine football schools, but I do not know how serious that is. I think that the goal is probably 12 adding Memphis, South Florida, Tulane, UNLV, and UTSA. You could have six "East" teams consisting of the four AAC teams plus Colorado State and Utah State. Everyone else is in the West. You play everyone in your division and half of the teams in the other division playing everyone in the East home-and-home over a period of four years. If UNLV does not come, you probably add a East Carolina or a team from Oklahoma or Texas. Then, Utah State joins the Western pod. The AAC currently has 13 basketball teams, so that does not seem like a major issue. They play an 18-game schedule. But you could play a 20-game schedule just as easy. 14 is too many teams. I do not see something that ambitious happening. So Barnes is a liar? 👍 They will only add schools if the media deal they negotiate wants additional schools. I don’t see a lot out there with high demand. The BSU AD said 9 "or however many" or something along those lines. Supposedly Memphis, USF and Tulane were a package deal, that's more than 9. I'd think once word got out the Pac was poaching, Barnes said the obvious part that the league needs 9 football schools just to fill out a schedule, and may have left off anything else beyond that to keep it "secret". They did a terrific job of keeping the first batch of schools a secret until the night before the announcement. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 17, 2024 16:42:43 GMT -8
Barnes says he is looking for nine football schools, but I do not know how serious that is. I think that the goal is probably 12 adding Memphis, South Florida, Tulane, UNLV, and UTSA. You could have six "East" teams consisting of the four AAC teams plus Colorado State and Utah State. Everyone else is in the West. You play everyone in your division and half of the teams in the other division playing everyone in the East home-and-home over a period of four years. If UNLV does not come, you probably add a East Carolina or a team from Oklahoma or Texas. Then, Utah State joins the Western pod. The AAC currently has 13 basketball teams, so that does not seem like a major issue. They play an 18-game schedule. But you could play a 20-game schedule just as easy. 14 is too many teams. I do not see something that ambitious happening. So Barnes is a liar? 👍 They will only add schools if the media deal they negotiate wants additional schools. I don’t see a lot out there with high demand. It's business. If he's telling the truth, he is not a good businessman. I think that nine was something that was being looked at before Gonzaga was added. I think that more than nine is the goal. Nine is likely the fallback, if the AAC holds together. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2024 16:46:43 GMT -8
So Barnes is a liar? 👍 They will only add schools if the media deal they negotiate wants additional schools. I don’t see a lot out there with high demand. It's business. If he's telling the truth, he is not a good businessman. I think that nine was something that was being looked at before Gonzaga was added. I think that more than nine is the goal. Nine is likely the fallback, if the AAC holds together. Really? I consider myself a good businessman and I don’t lie to my clients. Are you a lying attorney? Maybe someone needs to put the Jim Carrey Liar Liar curse on you and see how you’d do at your job. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 17, 2024 16:55:23 GMT -8
It's business. If he's telling the truth, he is not a good businessman. I think that nine was something that was being looked at before Gonzaga was added. I think that more than nine is the goal. Nine is likely the fallback, if the AAC holds together. Really? I consider myself a good businessman and I don’t lie to my clients. Are you a lying attorney? Maybe someone needs to put the Jim Carrey Liar Liar curse on you and see how you’d do at your job. Lol! Oh man. You must be a hoot to play cards with. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2024 16:56:59 GMT -8
Really? I consider myself a good businessman and I don’t lie to my clients. Are you a lying attorney? Maybe someone needs to put the Jim Carrey Liar Liar curse on you and see how you’d do at your job. Lol! Oh man. You must be a hoot to play cards with. Please tell me what playing cards has to do with being a good businessman. That’s a whole different thing. I’m a pretty decent poker player. It has zero to do with my business. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 17, 2024 17:02:34 GMT -8
Lol! Oh man. You must be a hoot to play cards with. Please tell me what playing cards has to do with being a good businessman. That’s a whole different thing. I’m a pretty decent poker player. It has zero to do with my business. You analogized Barnes talking to the media to both of our relationships with clients. I disagree that that is an apt analogy. |
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