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Post by osbrawler on Oct 1, 2024 13:00:54 GMT -8
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Post by scottishsteel on Oct 1, 2024 16:48:12 GMT -8
Yup, I get Intermat through Rokfin but don't actually have Intermat
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Post by osbrawler on Oct 4, 2024 14:22:01 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 4, 2024 14:32:12 GMT -8
I could be off base as I've not really looked into it. But, when this all happened early on, we were talking at a golf tourney. And I mentioned that I'm not sure individual sports will be greatly effected by no conference. It seems that wrestlers, T&F(?), etc are more about facing tough individual competition vs which conference they are in. It appears a solid program, great schedule makes OSU super attractive. I know from my time coaching at a HS power (at the time) kids don't care about the school they face. They know who is who at their weight. Of course some conferences have better overall competition and draw kids. But, the OSU wrestling program seems to have not only weathered the storm, but beat it.
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Post by scottishsteel on Oct 7, 2024 2:33:52 GMT -8
I could be off base as I've not really looked into it. But, when this all happened early on, we were talking at a golf tourney. And I mentioned that I'm not sure individual sports will be greatly effected by no conference. It seems that wrestlers, T&F(?), etc are more about facing tough individual competition vs which conference they are in. It appears a solid program, great schedule makes OSU super attractive. I know from my time coaching at a HS power (at the time) kids don't care about the school they face. They know who is who at their weight. Of course some conferences have better overall competition and draw kids. But, the OSU wrestling program seems to have not only weathered the storm, but beat it. I think you are mostly spot on; the Big Ten and the Socon being the exceptions in opposite ways to that - being the premier power conference in the sport and perceived worst conference (although I personally much prefer Socon wrestling to MAC wrestling). Everyone else just wants to make the walk, toe the line, and beat who is in front of them. My understanding of recruiting (from both my own experience and observations of others) is that it really is coaches connection in these individual sports; who do you think can best prepare you for 3 days to glory that is the NCAA tourney. Of course proximity to home and now NIL $$$ are factors that vary in importance by the kid's discretion too
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Post by idaho on Oct 8, 2024 9:07:25 GMT -8
Agree.....Last year when the conference collapsed, it was 100% definitely being used against us in recruiting. But when you bring PSU to town in front of a near sell out and the biggest crowd in Gil all year, the conference situation seems to less important. Follow that up with Iowa, Ok State and North Carolina at home, along with big tourneys, and it really doesn't matter that you wrestle in a 4-team conference. Add 2 world medalist and the fact that you can win at OSU, and yes I would agree, we weathered the storm and we are riding the lightning (cue Metallica).
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Post by idaho on Oct 17, 2024 14:24:16 GMT -8
As to be expected, Khale McDonnell into the rankings at #12 at 215#. Carillo #10, Grace #10, Reyes #15, Saldate #13, Mutalrelli drops out of rankings. A confusing one is how Koy Davidson is not ranked. He has beaten #11 Hinson and other tough kids. He was ranked last spring, but in fairness didn't wrestle much freestyle last summer.
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Post by scottishsteel on Oct 18, 2024 3:04:11 GMT -8
between the limited freestyle and the lack of PIAA postseason results it's probably pretty tough to accurately rank him so I kinda get it
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Post by idaho on Oct 18, 2024 6:27:01 GMT -8
between the limited freestyle and the lack of PIAA postseason results it's probably pretty tough to accurately rank him so I kinda get it I'm not sure if you are referring to Koy or Anthony....Koy is an Iowa kid... he beat 3x defending champ Carter Freeman (who was ranked) in the state finals. He was ranked briefly after that with wins over Freeman and Hinson. He dropped out of the rankings probably due to not wrestling Fargo or other big tournaments over the summer. Anthony is the one without PIAA postseason results due to the transfer rule. He was in the rankings last month but fell out due to his 0-1 Med FFT out at Super 32. National rankings are hard to figure out and I am not sure there is a ton of stock in those rankings. One ranking I do like is that we are ranked in the top 5 for the 2026 class.
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Post by scottishsteel on Oct 18, 2024 8:23:34 GMT -8
between the limited freestyle and the lack of PIAA postseason results it's probably pretty tough to accurately rank him so I kinda get it I'm not sure if you are referring to Koy or Anthony....Koy is an Iowa kid... he beat 3x defending champ Carter Freeman (who was ranked) in the state finals. He was ranked briefly after that with wins over Freeman and Hinson. He dropped out of the rankings probably due to not wrestling Fargo or other big tournaments over the summer. Anthony is the one without PIAA postseason results due to the transfer rule. He was in the rankings last month but fell out due to his 0-1 Med FFT out at Super 32. National rankings are hard to figure out and I am not sure there is a ton of stock in those rankings. One ranking I do like is that we are ranked in the top 5 for the 2026 class. I read too fast and in my head turned the period after "Mutarelli drops out of the rankings" into a comma and applied "a confusing one" to Mutarrelli - my bad! I've never claimed to be intelligent haha
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Post by kosherbeaver on Oct 19, 2024 14:15:15 GMT -8
between the limited freestyle and the lack of PIAA postseason results it's probably pretty tough to accurately rank him so I kinda get it I'm not sure if you are referring to Koy or Anthony....Koy is an Iowa kid... he beat 3x defending champ Carter Freeman (who was ranked) in the state finals. He was ranked briefly after that with wins over Freeman and Hinson. He dropped out of the rankings probably due to not wrestling Fargo or other big tournaments over the summer. Anthony is the one without PIAA postseason results due to the transfer rule. He was in the rankings last month but fell out due to his 0-1 Med FFT out at Super 32. National rankings are hard to figure out and I am not sure there is a ton of stock in those rankings. One ranking I do like is that we are ranked in the top 5 for the 2026 class. It is really early on the 2026, but awesome to see us so high, makes we wonder what our highest ranked class is in modern OSU wrestling history. I would imagine we will fall a bit as higher ranked guys commit on the big board. Or our commits could continue to climb which could keep that ranking up there. I hope that as these new classes come in, we see more CP/NE/JR/CC HS recruits break into the line up over transfers and become AA's. Pretty sure all AA's have been transfers or JZ's holdovers. Willits bros, Devon T, Kaylor and Munoz (I know he is a CP guy who went to ASU for him and followed here, still a transfer). I could be blanking on a name. We have seen Gabe, Noah T, Nash, Menke, Hamblin and I think Garver. Hastriter has wrestled, have not been encouraged by his progress over the years and it seems like Attao should pass him this year, maybe Mower will pass him to. Interesting to me they are all RS Soph, I think 2022 class, except Hastriter. Talk about a class producing early! 6 guys who have impacted the line up and 4 who are from the NW! Gabe W, Noah T, Nash and Menke have got the most opportunity so far and performed well IMO. Made me wonder how we would rank our CP/NE HS recruiting classes so far by College performance. Upon review I landed with this, interested in others thoughts 1. 2022. Discussed above, have certainly made their mark on the school already. 1 Grad, Knight, 1 Transfer Scott, and 1 med retire, Anderson. 2. 2023, early signs of success. This is based on Rademacher and Attao. Attao gets some love for his performance this past Summer and Fall. 2 transfers in Cade and Dagen. I think there are several others in this class who could break through. 3. 2024, very small class with Gage, Hunter and Moses as listed by the Beavers roster. Two guys at 125, have to assume Gage will move up over time or move to a different program. Moses has a great pedigree from Gilroy and DC. If we get one contributor from this class, that would be huge. 4. 2020 Class, Mason Reiniche I believe was our first CP HS recruit, correct me if I am wrong here. Been in and out of the line up over the years. He is actually the lone remaining member of that HS class still on roster. That year had many transfers like Reyes and Matty Ice. But this is a HS ranking. 5. 2021 Class, no one has broke through to become a starter. Gambrall, Christiansen and Hastriter have done some spot work here and there. Christiansen is actually a CC recruit, so he doesn't help here. Stormer, Kodiak, Bell, Eveland, Gambrall and Hastriter are the ones who are left. I see our 2025 and 2026 ending up in the top 4. I think they will pass 2020, 2021 and 2024, due to its size, easily. To me the recruiting trend and transfer trend has shown that CP/NE have greatly elevated the caliber of HS recruit who is able to consistently contribute and compete. Our lineups have consistently been JZ holdovers and transfers up to this point in time. Last year's line up, if healthy, would have had just 3 CP/NE HS Recruits. This year could feature as many as 5 IMO. Munoz, Harman, Renteria, Olguin and Stiles seem like locks at this point in time. Same with Attao and Gabe for HS. Noah T, Nash, Menke and Garver are all in the mix. Noah, Nash and Garver seem to all be in similar range of weight so one will be the odd man out I think. Menke will probably compete with Stiles. All this to say, we are absolutely trending in the right direction for HS recruiting. Our D1 transfer caliber has been high through this process and we are seeing the coaches pick and choose the transfers very smartly. The additions of Rhoden and Crooks have paid dividends on the recruiting path it seems. Our program has an improving RTC, youth program run by an alumni in Kaylor and a very active summer camp circuit they participate in. Only thing missing IMO, lets get a women's D1 team at OSU! We have an award winning coach and Olympians involved in the RTC. This is prompted by former OSU wrestler Gary Traub being named an Asst. for OkState women' team. To me it is a no-brainer and a somewhat easy add. The future is bright! Go Beavs!
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Post by scottishsteel on Oct 19, 2024 14:28:51 GMT -8
kosherbeaver I am right there w/ you on adding a women's program - with the financial question marks surrounding the athletic department's overall conference affiliation and subsequent media revenue I'm sure there is absolutely no consideration for adding any program but it's a pipe dream for sure. CP & Co took over at a tough time w/ Covid messing w/ recruiting trips. I think it's fair to assume that's why the early classes look different than the more recent ones and the discrepancy between transfers and HS recruits. It has to start somewhere though and I believe the future is bright!
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Post by kosherbeaver on Oct 19, 2024 20:18:38 GMT -8
kosherbeaver I am right there w/ you on adding a women's program - with the financial question marks surrounding the athletic department's overall conference affiliation and subsequent media revenue I'm sure there is absolutely no consideration for adding any program but it's a pipe dream for sure. CP & Co took over at a tough time w/ Covid messing w/ recruiting trips. I think it's fair to assume that's why the early classes look different than the more recent ones and the discrepancy between transfers and HS recruits. It has to start somewhere though and I believe the future is bright! scottishsteel you are most certainly correct about the massive hurdle right now and it is a pipe dream. I just think it would be super smart to get into an emerging D1 sport while the competition is shallower. Really good chance to build a national brand with the right coaches and support. CP & Co had challenges for sure early on, Covid had an impact. I just think they were rebuilding our regional and national brands more than anything else. New energy applied in a new manner. Feels like every year they stack momentum and carry to the next. Credit to CP and NE, they laid a plan to try and dominate the west coast when they were hired and are getting there.
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Post by scottishsteel on Oct 20, 2024 2:22:32 GMT -8
kosherbeaver I am right there w/ you on adding a women's program - with the financial question marks surrounding the athletic department's overall conference affiliation and subsequent media revenue I'm sure there is absolutely no consideration for adding any program but it's a pipe dream for sure. CP & Co took over at a tough time w/ Covid messing w/ recruiting trips. I think it's fair to assume that's why the early classes look different than the more recent ones and the discrepancy between transfers and HS recruits. It has to start somewhere though and I believe the future is bright! scottishsteel you are most certainly correct about the massive hurdle right now and it is a pipe dream. I just think it would be super smart to get into an emerging D1 sport while the competition is shallower. Really good chance to build a national brand with the right coaches and support. CP & Co had challenges for sure early on, Covid had an impact. I just think they were rebuilding our regional and national brands more than anything else. New energy applied in a new manner. Feels like every year they stack momentum and carry to the next. Credit to CP and NE, they laid a plan to try and dominate the west coast when they were hired and are getting there. Which w/ the amount of talent coming out of Cali on the women's side would be exactly the blueprint for a new women's program as well because Corvallis is a heckuva lot closer than Iowa haha
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Post by idaho on Oct 20, 2024 18:18:16 GMT -8
In my conversations with people at OSU about women's wrestling 2 years ago, one of the major hurdles to women's wrestling is that they are in the unique situation that they offer 7 men's and 10 women's sports... adding women's wrestling would require adding a men's sport...which probably won't happen due to funding.
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