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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2024 7:16:01 GMT -8
There was a point in time there were still 10 very strong team that just needed two teams to come on board. Say anything you want about USC and UCLA starting it, and that is a true statement. The killing blow was Oregon and Washington jumping in the 11th hour. Your analogy is apt. It really, truly, actually was, Oregon and Washington that killed the Pac as we know it. and like the real weasels they are, they want to try and say they had no choice. They had a choice. They had the choice to be the flag ships of the conference they sure wanted to crow about like they were. They sure wanted to act like they were. But when the chips needed to be dropped in the pot, they weren't the flagships of this conference. They were cowards running to another conference to be also rans with other bigger fish. I will always be prouder of OSU building something up. It does stink for what it takes, but like this article paints out, the MWC is formed of the blood of many a conference before it.  At the "11th hour," there were only nine teams left. I mean no offense to you ATown, because you seem like a cool dude. And this is not specifically directed at you. But the milk has been spilt. And I am tired of all the crying. Brighter days are ahead. Impotent handwringing about the past does not change the past or make the present or future any better. The Ducks suck. They have sucked for decades. Whether they are in the Pac-12 or the Big Ten, they will continue to suck. Blaming Oregon (the Greedo in my strained analogy) for stumbling into the real world equivalent of the Mos Eisley Cantina that is the Big Ten does no one any good. Let's shoot first on Saturday and leave that green bastard's lifeless corpse on the table. We're the rebellion, and we are taking down the Death Star this season. I agree. What is done is done. But every once in a while there is time for good ol' fashion vindication and retribution in the world. rebuilding the Pac, right now, in the here in now, is a time to reflect on that path we walked. It wasn't easy. A rally cry isn't crying, per se. rallying the troops isn't shedding tears. I am not litigating the past, I am just not forgetting it as we stare out into the future to know where we stand today. It lets you take pride at where you stand when you know what you overcome and just how big the knife you had to pull out of your back was. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 13, 2024 8:01:26 GMT -8
This realignment was inevitable. The whole college football industry is controlled by media companies. They only care about eyeballs on TV sets. The traditions that make college football great only matter if they bring enough eyeballs to it.
As much as I hate USC/hole/fuskies/etc ......they did what they felt they had to do to remain relevant in the changing college football atmosphere. Slaves to the media companies.......the fans dont care. They want to be part of big time college football, and will continue shelling out big money to support it.
All that to say, I kind of hope we buck the trend and stay regional.......and focus on building regional rivalries. Again, I realize the push is to maximize tv markets and all that s%#t, but I'd rather have a truly western US conference........that would excite me more than adding Memphis, Tulane, rice, whatever
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 13, 2024 14:00:24 GMT -8
Here's the thing that everyone is missing. When we put together our scheduling deal with the MWC, the MWC explicitly gave us the price of buying members. We walked into their store and while we were renting some game match-ups for 2024 we checked the price of buying some of the same product outright. They told us exactly how much they wanted for one, two, three, four and more members. We took four, paying the agreed upon price.
We no more "poached" from the MWC than I "poached" the TV I got from Rent-a-Center.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 13, 2024 14:14:28 GMT -8
Here's the thing that everyone is missing. When we put together our scheduling deal with the MWC, the MWC explicitly gave us the price of buying members. We walked into their store and while we were renting some game match-ups for 2024 we checked the price of buying some of the same product outright. They told us exactly how much they wanted for one, two, three, four and more members. We took four, paying the agreed upon price. We no more "poached" from the MWC than I "poached" the TV I got from Rent-a-Center. Something that apparently slipped under the radar, is from this article article it was noted OSU paid $10M a team, though it has been widely reported the buyouts are $17M. Are we to assume the teams are covering the other $7M of their buyouts? Little more than half the buyouts seems like a helluva deal honestly. $40M out of the war chest to secure 4 solid teams. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 13, 2024 14:27:15 GMT -8
Here's the thing that everyone is missing. When we put together our scheduling deal with the MWC, the MWC explicitly gave us the price of buying members. We walked into their store and while we were renting some game match-ups for 2024 we checked the price of buying some of the same product outright. They told us exactly how much they wanted for one, two, three, four and more members. We took four, paying the agreed upon price. We no more "poached" from the MWC than I "poached" the TV I got from Rent-a-Center. Egg-zactly. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 13, 2024 14:42:22 GMT -8
Here's the thing that everyone is missing. When we put together our scheduling deal with the MWC, the MWC explicitly gave us the price of buying members. We walked into their store and while we were renting some game match-ups for 2024 we checked the price of buying some of the same product outright. They told us exactly how much they wanted for one, two, three, four and more members. We took four, paying the agreed upon price. We no more "poached" from the MWC than I "poached" the TV I got from Rent-a-Center. Something that apparently slipped under the radar, is from this article article it was noted OSU paid $10M a team, though it has been widely reported the buyouts are $17M. Are we to assume the teams are covering the other $7M of their buyouts? Little more than half the buyouts seems like a helluva deal honestly. $40M out of the war chest to secure 4 solid teams. From all of the articles long ago about the "poaching" penalties, it initially was kinda unclear if they were part of the buyout or separate penalties. Seems it's probably a separate penalty. |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Sept 13, 2024 15:21:15 GMT -8
13 plus months ago the Beavs, cougs, yucks, and fuskies were driving down a dark, desolate road together. The yuck asked for the vehicle to be pulled over. The vehicle stopped the yuck and fuskie got out. Each slashed a tire and took the keys. They then got into a waiting vehicle leaving us on that dark, desolate road to fend for ourselves. A year later we are off that dark, desolate road. We are doing what Beavs do - we build things. On Saturday there is going to be a reckoning. Go Beavs. There was a point in time there were still 10 very strong team that just needed two teams to come on board. Say anything you want about USC and UCLA starting it, and that is a true statement. The killing blow was Oregon and Washington jumping in the 11th hour. Your analogy is apt. It really, truly, actually was, Oregon and Washington that killed the Pac as we know it. and like the real weasels they are, they want to try and say they had no choice. They had a choice. They had the choice to be the flag ships of the conference they sure wanted to crow about like they were. They sure wanted to act like they were. But when the chips needed to be dropped in the pot, they weren't the flagships of this conference. They were cowards running to another conference to be also rans with other bigger fish. I will always be prouder of OSU building something up. It does stink for what it takes, but like this article paints out, the MWC is formed of the blood of many a conference before it. Shorter—I’d rather be us than them. Every damn day. |
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Post by darthbeavs on Sept 13, 2024 15:28:25 GMT -8
There was a point in time there were still 10 very strong team that just needed two teams to come on board. Say anything you want about USC and UCLA starting it, and that is a true statement. The killing blow was Oregon and Washington jumping in the 11th hour. Your analogy is apt. It really, truly, actually was, Oregon and Washington that killed the Pac as we know it. and like the real weasels they are, they want to try and say they had no choice. They had a choice. They had the choice to be the flag ships of the conference they sure wanted to crow about like they were. They sure wanted to act like they were. But when the chips needed to be dropped in the pot, they weren't the flagships of this conference. They were cowards running to another conference to be also rans with other bigger fish. I will always be prouder of OSU building something up. It does stink for what it takes, but like this article paints out, the MWC is formed of the blood of many a conference before it. At the "11th hour," there were only nine teams left. I mean no offense to you ATown, because you seem like a cool dude. And this is not specifically directed at you. But the milk has been spilt. And I am tired of all the crying. Brighter days are ahead. Impotent handwringing about the past does not change the past or make the present or future any better. The Ducks suck. They have sucked for decades. Whether they are in the Pac-12 or the Big Ten, they will continue to suck. Blaming Oregon (the Greedo in my strained analogy) for stumbling into the real world equivalent of the Mos Eisley Cantina that is the Big Ten does no one any good. Let's shoot first on Saturday and leave that green bastard's lifeless corpse on the table. We're the rebellion, and we are taking down the Death Star this season. Great points, however, may counter with never forget; never forgive. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 13, 2024 15:33:30 GMT -8
At the "11th hour," there were only nine teams left. I mean no offense to you ATown, because you seem like a cool dude. And this is not specifically directed at you. But the milk has been spilt. And I am tired of all the crying. Brighter days are ahead. Impotent handwringing about the past does not change the past or make the present or future any better. The Ducks suck. They have sucked for decades. Whether they are in the Pac-12 or the Big Ten, they will continue to suck. Blaming Oregon (the Greedo in my strained analogy) for stumbling into the real world equivalent of the Mos Eisley Cantina that is the Big Ten does no one any good. Let's shoot first on Saturday and leave that green bastard's lifeless corpse on the table. We're the rebellion, and we are taking down the Death Star this season. Great points, however, may counter with never forget; never forgive. Maybe you have that backwards? |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 13, 2024 15:35:15 GMT -8
It's a competitive environment. Either compete or get out of the game. Speaking just for myself, I'm glad we're competing. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 13, 2024 15:50:13 GMT -8
What we did to the MW did not kill their conference. Maybe we hurt it a bit, but it is still alive, and it wouldn't be very difficult for them to find a couple more teams to fill in. We were left in a dead conference with no lifeboat, except the offer to join the MW, which would have kept us from competing at the highest levels. Yes, I understand how the MW feels, but they are still in fine shape. It's pretty bad. We already took the 4 highest value assets of the conference. It's essentially the same as the BiG 10 scalping USC, UCLA, UW and UO with a different scale. They had plenty of opportunity to have more of a compromise. This move costs the PAC 12 a ton and hurts the MWC pretty irrevocably. Anyone they add will be much lower value than what they lost and they are likely to lose all the value they have left as the SJSU, UNLV and NMST level of the conference are going to be doing their damnedest to grab a lifeline. |
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Post by darthbeavs on Sept 13, 2024 15:57:33 GMT -8
Great points, however, may counter with never forget; never forgive. Maybe you have that backwards? No, I wrote it exactly the way I wanted to. For me, it's never forget what they did, and then, never forgive that. I feel like never forgive; never forget starts with a grudge for no reason, and then says don't forget to hold a grudge, whereas the way I wrote reminds one to never forget what was done, and then hold a grudge because of that. I like my way better.  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 13, 2024 21:35:17 GMT -8
What we did to the MW did not kill their conference. Maybe we hurt it a bit, but it is still alive, and it wouldn't be very difficult for them to find a couple more teams to fill in. We were left in a dead conference with no lifeboat, except the offer to join the MW, which would have kept us from competing at the highest levels. Yes, I understand how the MW feels, but they are still in fine shape. It's pretty bad. We already took the 4 highest value assets of the conference. It's essentially the same as the BiG 10 scalping USC, UCLA, UW and UO with a different scale. They had plenty of opportunity to have more of a compromise. This move costs the PAC 12 a ton and hurts the MWC pretty irrevocably. Anyone they add will be much lower value than what they lost and they are likely to lose all the value they have left as the SJSU, UNLV and NMST level of the conference are going to be doing their damnedest to grab a lifeline. The Big Ten did what they did, knowing full well that it would leave the Pac-12 with four universities at most. And it was less than a year after they tricked George K. into the Alliance. And it was after an almost 70-year agreement, which was put in place, because the two conferences were the two premier non pro-segregation conferences in the country. The scale and scope is in no way comparable. The Mountain West has only been around for 26 years. And, as of this moment, the Mountain West is down to eight teams, which means that the Mountain West is still a conference in 2026, even if they do nothing. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 14, 2024 5:30:40 GMT -8
It's pretty bad. We already took the 4 highest value assets of the conference. It's essentially the same as the BiG 10 scalping USC, UCLA, UW and UO with a different scale. They had plenty of opportunity to have more of a compromise. This move costs the PAC 12 a ton and hurts the MWC pretty irrevocably. Anyone they add will be much lower value than what they lost and they are likely to lose all the value they have left as the SJSU, UNLV and NMST level of the conference are going to be doing their damnedest to grab a lifeline. The Big Ten did what they did, knowing full well that it would leave the Pac-12 with four universities at most. And it was less than a year after they tricked George K. into the Alliance. And it was after an almost 70-year agreement, which was put in place, because the two conferences were the two premier non pro-segregation conferences in the country. The scale and scope is in no way comparable. The Mountain West has only been around for 26 years. And, as of this moment, the Mountain West is down to eight teams, which means that the Mountain West is still a conference in 2026, even if they do nothing. Isn't Hawaii an affiliate? Does that count? I'm just tired of the justifying. They got hurt, we got hurt, it's just about the green. It doesn't matter who is hurt more, damage is done. |
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Post by sparty on Sept 14, 2024 5:54:13 GMT -8
I don't think there is a universe in which OSU/WSU weren't fairly transparent with what is likely going to go down. MWC saw this coming from a mile away. It is what it is. just like we couldn't stop our collapse, neither could they. It does suck. Spend some time on a Wyoming college fan sites and you will find fan responses are all really relative. Their responses and anger pretty much matches what we all saw last year. Those that did it justify what they did was right while the victim usually sees it differently. Pretty much human nature, It is what it is.
A reporter based in the state of Oregon does not change the MWC fan opinion who was left behind. They see it differently already and you cant reason with those fans of the MWC.
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