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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 12, 2024 9:10:30 GMT -8
Now need to get a TV deal We have one, or this wouldn't have happened. Just not public yet.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 12, 2024 9:17:24 GMT -8
On the do unto others thing... one could look at it as the Pac 2 isn't raiding the MWC, the Pac 2 is optioning in on a negotiated buyout that Nevarez insisted upon.
The remaining schools have been getting 3-3.5 million a year each from their TV contract. Now the Pac will pay the league 40+ million, and the schools that are leaving will apparently pay the league a combined 68 million.
The MWC will be well compensated, without having to go through months to years of the unknown involved in court (if it chooses to do so). The MWC is sitting flush. They probably will be on the phone with 2 Dakota schools and maybe a Montana school shortly, if they haven't been already.
It's only somewhat remotely like what happened in our case.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 9:32:01 GMT -8
Now need to get a TV deal We have one, or this wouldn't have happened. Just not public yet. Gotta believe we are on CW for the long haul right?
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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 12, 2024 9:35:48 GMT -8
Over the past year some saw the MWC commissioner as one smart person. Still feel that way?
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 12, 2024 9:42:15 GMT -8
On the do unto others thing... one could look at it as the Pac 2 isn't raiding the MWC, the Pac 2 is optioning in on a negotiated buyout that Nevarez insisted upon. The remaining schools have been getting 3-3.5 million a year each from their TV contract. Now the Pac will pay the league 40+ million, and the schools that are leaving will apparently pay the league a combined 68 million. The MWC will be well compensated, without having to go through months to years of the unknown involved in court (if it chooses to do so). The MWC is sitting flush. They probably will be on the phone with 2 Dakota schools and maybe a Montana school shortly, if they haven't been already.It's only somewhat remotely like what happened in our case. Those schools would have to express the desire to move to FBS, which they have not yet. That's a big financial commitment for those schools.
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Post by lebaneaver on Sept 12, 2024 9:48:15 GMT -8
I can’t imagine both NV schools NOT being part of this. But, I’m getting used to being surprised and wrong.
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Post by avidbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 10:00:44 GMT -8
I can’t imagine both NV schools NOT being part of this. But, I’m getting used to being surprised and wrong. I am really surprised UNLV wasn't one of the schools. Maybe they will be down the line but that is a big market not involved at this time. While they are at it, get Gonzaga to join the league for basketball. I would at least try to get them to join. No, is the worst thing that could happen and the upside would be great.
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Post by ftd on Sept 12, 2024 10:05:18 GMT -8
This is for the 2026 season right? Meaning not this season, not next season but the season after that. Right? So we will still need a schedule for next year
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 12, 2024 10:17:07 GMT -8
On the do unto others thing... one could look at it as the Pac 2 isn't raiding the MWC, the Pac 2 is optioning in on a negotiated buyout that Nevarez insisted upon. The remaining schools have been getting 3-3.5 million a year each from their TV contract. Now the Pac will pay the league 40+ million, and the schools that are leaving will apparently pay the league a combined 68 million. The MWC will be well compensated, without having to go through months to years of the unknown involved in court (if it chooses to do so). The MWC is sitting flush. They probably will be on the phone with 2 Dakota schools and maybe a Montana school shortly, if they haven't been already.It's only somewhat remotely like what happened in our case. Those schools would have to express the desire to move to FBS, which they have not yet. That's a big financial commitment for those schools. Uh, the 2 Dakota schools were in the conversation of moving up during the large dual conference relagation talks in the last year. I highly doubt they were just used as "examples" of potential targets without the least amount of interest on their part.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Sept 12, 2024 10:30:17 GMT -8
I am impressed with the moves OSU/WSU have made with the cards they were dealt and left holding. First, make sure that the partner(s) that cheated on you and divorced you didn't take all of the hard-won assets with them as they left skid marks. Secure a war chest to fund recovery from the breakup. Second, secure a credible immediate schedule for all the sports teams - piecing that together with MWC/WCC/independent tie-ins was likely a lot of time and effort. Use all the scheduling to take inventory of regional teams/interest and likely broach conversations on deeper relationships. Next, get visibility on TV and remain in the conversations. Likely, somewhere in here is where the MWC commish overplayed the hand. Trying to protect all her conference schools led to Ts&Cs that likely contributed to this day, but I suspect the Pac-2 is only willing to put up with so much "conference dilution". Rivalry week means a lot of eyes on the games and conversation, so developing a plan, destination and the beginnings of the newly rebuilt conference in this timeframe was imperative. I think Barnes said chaos is something that can be capitalized on, and I am sure by presenting the beginnings of a high-quality conference and destination, there are some teams out there taking note. At some point, you don't want to use your warchest to pry more partners out of conferences, you want to create a desire in them to pry themselves out of their current situations......and maybe you help them once the talks get serious. So next, some notion of the media deal needs to become part of the rollout. Will it be CW? Or Apple? Or something new? And a few more teams need to come into the fold (I think UNLV would be good, and something in Bay Area).
Well done by the Pac-2 conference leaders, well timed, and I guess at the end of the day if it's just a business, good job making lemonade out of the lemons.
I look forward to the next steps on this intriguing journey. I think there is a saying out there along the lines of "the best revenge to take on your ex is a well-lived life".........Let's do that!
Go Beavers!
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Post by beaverstever on Sept 12, 2024 10:30:22 GMT -8
This seems like what ended up being the "last resort" or worst case scenario IMO. Nothing about this is going to excite any casual fans that are staying away this season after the Pac-12 implosion. I'm not really sure about any other way to look at it. It lets us maintain the PAC assets sure, but all that means is we use that money to pay for the MW schools since the scheduling agreement built those costs in to poach schools unless I'm mistaken. Sure it maybe allows an opportunity to expand again later and bring back some other West coast schools if the ACC implodes or other schools decide the travel isn't worth it in the B1G or B12, but I don't see much bright side here. Maybe we can get unequal revenue sharing and get 10-15M for us/WSU while the other MW schools stay close to their current figure and maybe a little more? I don't know, I've followed realignment some, but admittedly not enough to know all the ins and outs of our situation. Maybe someone more knowledgable than me can provide some more info on how this is a good thing but I just don't see how this is any different than just slapping the Pac-12 name on the MWC. Completely disagree. I absolutely HATED the idea of OSU groveling to be picked up by the Big 12 or ACC. I absolutely hated how OSU was treated poorly by the other schools in the former Pac-12. They had little to no voice and no control, and look what happened. I absolutely did not want them to go join a P4 conference in a disadvantaged state (i.e. unbalanced rev share). OSU is now in a position to lead instead of begging to be in the cliche. Yea, it may be G5 football, but I can and will support it. And I'm no longer embarrassed by how the university gets treated like some kind of 3rd class citizen by its own conference members.
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Post by algernon14 on Sept 12, 2024 10:36:49 GMT -8
I wouldn't count out Cal & Stanford or Arizona State. Cal and Stanford are hemorrhaging funds, Cal reportedly is $165 million in the red and Stanford not far behind, to make matters worse, Stanford and Cal, will be 30% of a whole ACC share for the next SEVEN years. Year 8 it goes to 70%, 75% in Year 9 and then full financial shares in the 10th year, that's a long time.
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 12, 2024 10:37:45 GMT -8
Where did I say there were any? Lol You want the Pac-12 to be a P4 conference. You are obviously unhappy with adding G5 schools. A logical person would then assume you want us to rebuild with P4 schools to make us a P4 conference. Hence the statement, "There are no P4 schools to rebuild with." I believe the new CFP contract has Pac12 stipulation of (8) teams gives the conference an auto berth. That's a huge start. The "power designation comes from an NCAA vote. A CFP payout structure will also be adapted for a new power conference. In that way there may (will) be push back on a 5th power conference lower the % for the other four.
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 10:40:04 GMT -8
Over the past year some saw the MWC commissioner as one smart person. Still feel that way? I think the commissioner is a person that played the hand dealt at every turn. She knew as soon as the Pac crumbled and OSU and WSU were not in another large conference they were a target. If OSU/WSU were not in, MWC was going to be attacked. She did what any smart commissioner would do. Get as much as she could, protect what she could. I would say yeah, she was smart. She is in an impossible situation. She did what she could do with practically no leverage in a no-win situation.
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Post by 93beav on Sept 12, 2024 10:41:29 GMT -8
Over the past year some saw the MWC commissioner as one smart person. Still feel that way? Yes, absolutely. She just (probably) overplayed her hand. She most likely knew the Pac-2 was looking to rebuild as one option and arranged a variety of severe penalties around it to at least make it a very unattractive option. No one still knows whom is going to pay the $17 million per departing school. She also had stiff penalties for leaving that kept her group intact through the first round. We might not know for quite awhile about all the machinations that went on behind closed doors. There must have been some pretty bad blood that erupted to force this, though.
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