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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 12, 2024 12:54:56 GMT -8
There are a lot of rumors that UNLV will not come without UNR and we do not want UNR. I want UNR! Why wouldn't we want to lock up Nevada? Reno is the 103rd-largest media market. Smaller than Albuquerque-Santa Fe, Boise, Colorado Springs-Pueblo, Denver, El Paso, Fresno-Visalia, Honolulu, Salt Lake City, San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Spokane, and Tucson. Reno is in the smallest media market of any of the 12 Mountain West schools. If you can avoid Reno, it is probably for the best. |
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Post by beaverstever on Sept 12, 2024 12:56:14 GMT -8
Completely disagree. I absolutely HATED the idea of OSU groveling to be picked up by the Big 12 or ACC. I absolutely hated how OSU was treated poorly by the other schools in the former Pac-12. They had little to no voice and no control, and look what happened. I absolutely did not want them to go join a P4 conference in a disadvantaged state (i.e. unbalanced rev share). OSU is now in a position to lead instead of begging to be in the cliche. Yea, it may be G5 football, but I can and will support it. And I'm no longer embarrassed by how the university gets treated like some kind of 3rd class citizen by its own conference members. I kind of agree/disagree at the same time. Part of me is like "pride cometh before the fall" a P4 conference is undeniably better and more secure than not. More money, prestige and security in these uncertain times. But part of me is like you said. Screw 'em. The top is only going to keep getting squeezed. Literally every year. what security in P4 football is there really? the TV networks still aren't going to be happy with 80 teams. they want that number down to more like 30 teams, maybe 40 teams. they want the NFL at the college level. a small manageable group of elite teams that they force you to focus on every year. keep it lean, and efficient to squeeze every penny out of you. nice and distributed across the nation. Eventually all the excess is getting trimmed anyways. it is only a matter of time. Greed be the death of us all. Might as well establish our own path now. we will have to do it eventually. The college bubble is going to pop. There is no way this keeps up. There is no way these million dollar NIL deals keep getting thrown around like this, when you get end up getting some of the players that you end up getting for the money. Florida State (and this is NOT about one guy in particular) spent something like 12 million in total on NIL to go 0-2 so far... Look at the hot disaster of Colorado! s%#t that coach is apparently telling the band to not play the fight song so the stadium can play his kids rap song instead? for real? All of this to say, there is a reckoning coming in college football. someday, someway. somehow I think. It is not sustainable. It's important to consider that the media landscape is also completely in chaos. All the fans need to do is try and watch games to learn this. I tried to watch the OSU game on Direct TV. Nope, locked out by a dispute with Disney. Traditional networks have made this big deals in the past, and they are struggling as the media landscape migrates to a much more democratic (but messy) world of streaming. The NFL and MLB have made their leagues totally al la carte to the consumer, and it's super frustrating (today's game on this streaming service, the next on another). But it's how the leagues optimize their revenue. hole fans have experienced the downside of the traditional media companies, finding it more difficult to even see their games. This chaos is also not sustainable. And yes, the NIL is certainly factor here. I'm waiting for the donors to figure out that their ROI on donations is terrible - and unnecessary. The NIL deals are effective welfare to the rich (from the perspective of who gives the money and the programs that reap much of the benefit); these programs should not need donations to field a competitive team. P4 football is a pro league, yet still begging for handouts; I can't imagine a more silly scenario within capitalism. So a lot of my sentiment is rooted in Oregon State getting somewhat out of the fray and to a position of college athletics still resembling what I grew up with. I mean, it feels like only a matter of time before some UAE royalty moves on from the Premier League and decides he wants to own a college football team as well. The way the landscape is playing out at OSU, at least I still feel relevant as an alumnus and lifetime fan. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 12, 2024 12:56:45 GMT -8
I want UNR! Why wouldn't we want to lock up Nevada? Reno is the 103rd-largest media market. Smaller than Albuquerque-Santa Fe, Boise, Colorado Springs-Pueblo, Denver, El Paso, Fresno-Visalia, Honolulu, Salt Lake City, San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Spokane, and Tucson. Reno is in the smallest media market of any of the 12 Mountain West schools.If you can avoid Reno, it is probably for the best. Smaller than Laramie? Doubt it. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 12, 2024 12:57:04 GMT -8
I want UNR! Why wouldn't we want to lock up Nevada? They don't add much and their football stadium is a s%#thole? As Wilky mentioned, they have the same governing body as UNLV, so it's probably either both or neither one of them. Well, maybe we can help elevate them? |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 13:00:27 GMT -8
Looking like it's pretty unlikely that more MWC schools will be added. Maybe UNLV has a shot. It becomes more of a financial drain the more that are added and you start watering down the level of conference you're trying to build. There is talk that Nevarez is working to end it here as well as no desire by the Pac-12 to leave the MWC with fewer teams. There are a lot of rumors that UNLV will not come without UNR and we do not want UNR. I agree we don't WANT UNR, but I am not sure we say no to UNR if it means we get UNLV. I think UNLV is not here in wave one because we are seeing what else is out there. but I would not be surprised if go ahead and round out a packaged deal and bring in the pair to make make up teams 9 and 10 maybe? or teams 11 and 12?. Nevada is not ideal (good Basketball for the most part), but UNLV is a priority media market target and a prime location to host a variety of our championships and whatnot as well. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 12, 2024 13:01:31 GMT -8
I want UNR! Why wouldn't we want to lock up Nevada? Reno is the 103rd-largest media market. Smaller than Albuquerque-Santa Fe, Boise, Colorado Springs-Pueblo, Denver, El Paso, Fresno-Visalia, Honolulu, Salt Lake City, San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Spokane, and Tucson. Reno is in the smallest media market of any of the 12 Mountain West schools. If you can avoid Reno, it is probably for the best. Reno is 273k. Sparks is 109k. Carson City is 60k......plus the surrounding towns probably add close to another 100k total, I'd guess? Reno is one of the fastest growing cities in the US as well ....lots of people come over from Cali. Much better tax structure for individuals, and businesses |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 12, 2024 13:01:50 GMT -8
There are a lot of rumors that UNLV will not come without UNR and we do not want UNR. I agree we don't WANT UNR, but I am not sure we say no to UNR if it means we get UNLV. I think UNLV is not here in wave one because we are seeing what else is out there. but I would not be surprised if go ahead and round out a packaged deal and bring in the pair to make make up teams 9 and 10 maybe? or teams 11 and 12?. Nevada is not ideal (good Basketball for the most part), but UNLV is a priority media market target and a prime location to host a variety of our championships and whatnot as well. And, we've been holding championships there for years without them.....that's not any add |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 12, 2024 13:03:36 GMT -8
Reno is the 103rd-largest media market. Smaller than Albuquerque-Santa Fe, Boise, Colorado Springs-Pueblo, Denver, El Paso, Fresno-Visalia, Honolulu, Salt Lake City, San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Spokane, and Tucson. Reno is in the smallest media market of any of the 12 Mountain West schools.If you can avoid Reno, it is probably for the best. Smaller than Laramie? Doubt it. There are no TV stations in Laramie. It's considered part of the Cheyenne/Scottsbluff market, which is # 193. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 12, 2024 13:05:41 GMT -8
I want UNR! Why wouldn't we want to lock up Nevada? Reno is the 103rd-largest media market. Smaller than Albuquerque-Santa Fe, Boise, Colorado Springs-Pueblo, Denver, El Paso, Fresno-Visalia, Honolulu, Salt Lake City, San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Spokane, and Tucson. Reno is in the smallest media market of any of the 12 Mountain West schools. If you can avoid Reno, it is probably for the best. Dang that kind of surprises me. I never looked at the numbers but that impressive. Does Utah State really draw that many SLC eyes? Seems like a stretch to call that their media market. I don't remember the numbers and I haven't had a chance to check averages again. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 12, 2024 13:07:14 GMT -8
Smaller than Laramie? Doubt it. There are no TV stations in Laramie. It's considered part of the Cheyenne/Scottsbluff market, which is # 193. Yes, which puts them way below Reno....that was the point. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 12, 2024 13:09:32 GMT -8
On the do unto others thing... one could look at it as the Pac 2 isn't raiding the MWC, the Pac 2 is optioning in on a negotiated buyout that Nevarez insisted upon. The remaining schools have been getting 3-3.5 million a year each from their TV contract. Now the Pac will pay the league 40+ million, and the schools that are leaving will apparently pay the league a combined 68 million. The MWC will be well compensated, without having to go through months to years of the unknown involved in court (if it chooses to do so). The MWC is sitting flush. They probably will be on the phone with 2 Dakota schools and maybe a Montana school shortly, if they haven't been already. It's only somewhat remotely like what happened in our case. Seems pointless to argue about. It's a game of greed to stay on the raft. No one cares except the aggrieved party, we know that we'll enough. College sports have been made into a business, these are business decisions and in this segment of the economy it's essentially unregulated capitalism.  Le Radeau de la Méduse. Or, in English, The Raft of the Medusa. After a wreck caused by nepotism in the restored monarchy and the new French monarchy's desire to get back into the slave trade as soon as possible, 147 of the 164 lowest-ranking people on board the Medusa were put aboard a raft 50 kilometers from the African coast. After a few kilometers, the raft was cut loose. After 12 days adrift, the final 15, who had resorted to cannibalism to survive, were rescued with five dying shortly thereafter. Only 10 of the 147 survived the trip to Africa from France. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 12, 2024 13:13:33 GMT -8
Smaller than Laramie? Doubt it. There are no TV stations in Laramie. It's considered part of the Cheyenne/Scottsbluff market, which is # 193. No, Laramie is not in Laramie County. Laramie is in Albany County, which is a part of the Denver Media Market. They share the Denver Media Market with Colorado and Colorado State. |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 12, 2024 13:15:22 GMT -8
Dang that kind of surprises me. I never looked at the numbers but that impressive. Does Utah State really draw that many SLC eyes? Seems like a stretch to call that their media market. I don't remember the numbers and I haven't had a chance to check averages again. They don't have to draw eyes, they just have to be on a channel that is on most cable packages in the area. That's what makes them attractive to ESPN/Fox - can we put them on a channel that most people have and then charge Comcast/Spectrum/YTTV/etc more for ALL people in the market? Going forward, if direct to consumer offerings become more readily available, market size becomes less relevant and more about the actual content of what they're providing. Remains to be seen if that helps us more in our rebuilt conference or not. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 12, 2024 13:15:44 GMT -8
There are no TV stations in Laramie. It's considered part of the Cheyenne/Scottsbluff market, which is # 193. No, Laramie is not in Laramie County. Laramie is in Albany County, which is a part of the Denver Media Market. They share the Denver Media Market with Colorado and Colorado State. OK, but how much of the Denver market is paying attention to Wyoming athletics? Not much. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 12, 2024 13:17:38 GMT -8
Reno is the 103rd-largest media market. Smaller than Albuquerque-Santa Fe, Boise, Colorado Springs-Pueblo, Denver, El Paso, Fresno-Visalia, Honolulu, Salt Lake City, San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, Spokane, and Tucson. Reno is in the smallest media market of any of the 12 Mountain West schools. If you can avoid Reno, it is probably for the best. Dang that kind of surprises me. I never looked at the numbers but that impressive. Does Utah State really draw that many SLC eyes? Seems like a stretch to call that their media market. I don't remember the numbers and I haven't had a chance to check averages again. Through the first 12 regular season games in 2023, Nevada ranked 125th of 131 teams in viewership. Only Ball State, Connecticut, Hawaii, Kent State, Liberty, Middle Tennessee, Texas State, and ULM drew fewer eyeballs. Utah State ranked 117th, the third-lowest of the 12 Mountain West teams. New Mexico State had higher viewership than Hawaii, Nevada, and Utah State in 2023. |
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