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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 21, 2024 14:13:31 GMT -8
Aviation and travel is a miniscule part of said carbon footprint. As of 2023 a distant 9th in the top 10 list. Agriculture pra tices produce 4 times the emissions. I don't think the "10" traveling more is going to tip any scale. Not seeing complaints about the average of about 41k miles for EACH NBA team. Pac12's demise is what it is... but, carbon emissions ain't one of the issues. No, but professors and university students are some of the most vocal opponents of carbon emissions. One should lead by example - or pipe down. B. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 21, 2024 14:30:44 GMT -8
Aviation and travel is a miniscule part of said carbon footprint. As of 2023 a distant 9th in the top 10 list. Agriculture pra tices produce 4 times the emissions. I don't think the "10" traveling more is going to tip any scale. Not seeing complaints about the average of about 41k miles for EACH NBA team. Pac12's demise is what it is... but, carbon emissions ain't one of the issues. No, but professors and university students are some of the most vocal opponents of carbon emissions. One should lead by example - or pipe down. Not sure your point? University Profs & students don't make such policy decisions. So they can "pipe up" all they want. It's their employer and school not them leading... example or not. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 21, 2024 16:36:51 GMT -8
No, but professors and university students are some of the most vocal opponents of carbon emissions. One should lead by example - or pipe down. Not sure your point? University Profs & students don't make such policy decisions. So they can "pipe up" all they want. It's their employer and school not them leading... example of not. Many of the university profs and students are all in on the "climate crisis" and carbon emissions. They wish to lecture the rest of us in the private sector about it. All I am saying is, if they feel so strongly about it, maybe they should have "piped up" and made their displeasure known to the powers that be at each of the "traitorous 10" universities that signed up for massive CO2 increases for TV money. That is my point.
I will always remember student groups in the '90's going after Nike for employing, in their view, slave labor in China to make their shoes. And they were calling for the boycott of Nike. Uncle Phil got wind of it, and cut off funding to the UofO for a few years. Suddenly, all of the protests stopped. When it came down to it, their virtues were for sale - when it directly affected them.
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Post by TheGlove on Jul 22, 2024 5:52:54 GMT -8
Not sure your point? University Profs & students don't make such policy decisions. So they can "pipe up" all they want. It's their employer and school not them leading... example of not. Many of the university profs and students are all in on the "climate crisis" and carbon emissions. They wish to lecture the rest of us in the private sector about it. All I am saying is, if they feel so strongly about it, maybe they should have "piped up" and made their displeasure known to the powers that be at each of the "traitorous 10" universities that signed up for massive CO2 increases for TV money. That is my point.
I will always remember student groups in the '90's going after Nike for employing, in their view, slave labor in China to make their shoes. And they were calling for the boycott of Nike. Uncle Phil got wind of it, and cut off funding to the UofO for a few years. Suddenly, all of the protests stopped. When it came down to it, their virtues were for sale - when it directly affected them.
How do you know they didn’t. What rgeorge said is correct. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 22, 2024 6:46:23 GMT -8
Many of the university profs and students are all in on the "climate crisis" and carbon emissions. They wish to lecture the rest of us in the private sector about it. All I am saying is, if they feel so strongly about it, maybe they should have "piped up" and made their displeasure known to the powers that be at each of the "traitorous 10" universities that signed up for massive CO2 increases for TV money. That is my point.
I will always remember student groups in the '90's going after Nike for employing, in their view, slave labor in China to make their shoes. And they were calling for the boycott of Nike. Uncle Phil got wind of it, and cut off funding to the UofO for a few years. Suddenly, all of the protests stopped. When it came down to it, their virtues were for sale - when it directly affected them.
How do you know they didn’t. What rgeorge said is correct. Link? |
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Post by whocares on Jul 22, 2024 7:29:36 GMT -8
The book "The University of Nike" goes into Phil's response to the u of o student body's support of the Worker Rights Consortium, interesting read.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 22, 2024 9:41:09 GMT -8
The book "The University of Nike" goes into Phil's response to the u of o student body's support of the Worker Rights Consortium, interesting read. It always amused me how selective Knight’s hurt feelings were on the WRC dust-up. He indignantly withheld donations from uo until they acceded to his demand to withdraw from WRC. At the same time, he gave millions to his other Alma mater, Stanford - a WRC member in good standing - with no such strings attached. Like any bully, he knows who he can push around (uo), and who is going to tell him to go pound sand (Stanford). No principles involved, just Phil’s giant personal ego and self-interest. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 22, 2024 12:54:10 GMT -8
The book "The University of Nike" goes into Phil's response to the u of o student body's support of the Worker Rights Consortium, interesting read. It always amused me how selective Knight’s hurt feelings were on the WRC dust-up. He indignantly withheld donations from uo until they acceded to his demand to withdraw from WRC. At the same time, he gave millions to his other Alma mater, Stanford - a WRC member in good standing - with no such strings attached. Like any bully, he knows who he can push around (uo), and who is going to tell him to go pound sand (Stanford). No principles involved, just Phil’s giant personal ego and self-interest. To be fair, I believe that Knight has given more to Oregon than Stanford. Plus, whatever he gives to Oregon is far more meaningful than whatever he gives to Stanford. Stanford has the third-largest endowment in the United States, more than $2 million for each student that attends. Stanford has more than 24 times as much money as Oregon. The fact that Knight gives money to Stanford at all is frankly comical, a tremendous waste of what could be far more impactful money almost literally anywhere else. Think of all the good that could be done, and, yet, hundreds of millions keep winding up at Stanford. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 22, 2024 13:14:52 GMT -8
It always amused me how selective Knight’s hurt feelings were on the WRC dust-up. He indignantly withheld donations from uo until they acceded to his demand to withdraw from WRC. At the same time, he gave millions to his other Alma mater, Stanford - a WRC member in good standing - with no such strings attached. Like any bully, he knows who he can push around (uo), and who is going to tell him to go pound sand (Stanford). No principles involved, just Phil’s giant personal ego and self-interest. To be fair, I believe that Knight has given more to Oregon than Stanford. Plus, whatever he gives to Oregon is far more meaningful than whatever he gives to Stanford. Stanford has the third-largest endowment in the United States, more than $2 million for each student that attends. Stanford has more than 24 times as much money as Oregon. The fact that Knight gives money to Stanford at all is frankly comical, a tremendous waste of what could be far more impactful money almost literally anywhere else. Think of all the good that could be done, and, yet, hundreds of millions keep winding up at Stanford. I’d rather see it going to Stanford than uo. |
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Post by irimi on Jul 22, 2024 16:33:01 GMT -8
Beyond the elephantine carbon footprint, the bi-coastal absurdities, and the evisceration of regional tradition and rivalries...I hope the new commuter, centimillion athletic programs crumble because kids (maybe some coaches?) don't wanna play that way, fly all those days, and succumb to TV network/conference management dictated serfdom.
I'm dreaming.
Aviation and travel is a miniscule part of said carbon footprint. As of 2023 a distant 9th in the top 10 list. Agriculture pra tices produce 4 times the emissions. I don't think the "10" traveling more is going to tip any scale. Not seeing complaints about the average of about 41k miles for EACH NBA team. Pac12's demise is what it is... but, carbon emissions ain't one of the issues. Not entirely, though it certainly depends on what you consider miniscule. No other country emits as much as the US does for transportation, not even China. We should do better, but we won’t and this is proof of that. www.wri.org/insights/interactive-chart-shows-changes-worlds-top-10-emitters |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 22, 2024 17:32:17 GMT -8
Aviation and travel is a miniscule part of said carbon footprint. As of 2023 a distant 9th in the top 10 list. Agriculture pra tices produce 4 times the emissions. I don't think the "10" traveling more is going to tip any scale. Not seeing complaints about the average of about 41k miles for EACH NBA team. Pac12's demise is what it is... but, carbon emissions ain't one of the issues. Not entirely, though it certainly depends on what you consider miniscule. No other country emits as much as the US does for transportation, not even China. We should do better, but we won’t and this is proof of that. www.wri.org/insights/interactive-chart-shows-changes-worlds-top-10-emitters"Transportation" is a very broad an encompassing category. Aviation is typically separated by decent studies and sites. Aviation is less than 25% of total "transportation". And a tiny drop in the bucket of the total! Topic was UCLA's travel increase... miniscule. Here is just one decent site: ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jul 23, 2024 4:43:39 GMT -8
"Transportation" is a very broad an encompassing category. Aviation is typically separated by decent studies and sites. Aviation is less than 25% of total "transportation". And a tiny drop in the bucket of the total! Topic was UCLA's travel increase... miniscule. Here is just one decent site: ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector huh?  My leaf blower, now that is miniscule, but Portland is banning gas leaf blowers in 2026. How many leaf blowers can you fuel with one cross country flight??? The point is the "do as I say, not do as I do" element of climate leadership, and yes, UCLA is considered a climate leader. Each individual bit of carbon emissions is miniscule when compared to the total, that is why limiting the sale of gas leaf blowers is actually important, changing how we make concrete is actually important, and for sure reducing transportation emissions, even the miniscule ones, is actually important....at least if you truly believe. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 23, 2024 7:23:28 GMT -8
"Transportation" is a very broad an encompassing category. Aviation is typically separated by decent studies and sites. Aviation is less than 25% of total "transportation". And a tiny drop in the bucket of the total! Topic was UCLA's travel increase... miniscule. Here is just one decent site: ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector huh? My leaf blower, now that is miniscule, but Portland is banning gas leaf blowers in 2026. How many leaf blowers can you fuel with one cross country flight??? The point is the "do as I say, not do as I do" element of climate leadership, and yes, UCLA is considered a climate leader. Each individual bit of carbon emissions is miniscule when compared to the total, that is why limiting the sale of gas leaf blowers is actually important, changing how we make concrete is actually important, and for sure reducing transportation emissions, even the miniscule ones, is actually important....at least if you truly believe. Well said. Comparing the carbon footprint of jet and car travel (let's not forget all of those fans driving cross country) to the overall carbon footprint for the country or world, or comparing the increase to the total is missing the point.
Comparing the increase before conference realignment and after is the real point. As well as, and it is not limited to these universities, I am tired of hypocrisy across the spectrum. If you are not going to lead by example, you have no right to judge others actions. When I was a kid, do as I say, not as I do, was a non starter. Still is. |
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Post by orangeattack on Jul 23, 2024 12:20:39 GMT -8
"Transportation" is a very broad an encompassing category. Aviation is typically separated by decent studies and sites. Aviation is less than 25% of total "transportation". And a tiny drop in the bucket of the total! Topic was UCLA's travel increase... miniscule. Here is just one decent site: ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector huh? My leaf blower, now that is miniscule, but Portland is banning gas leaf blowers in 2026. How many leaf blowers can you fuel with one cross country flight??? The point is the "do as I say, not do as I do" element of climate leadership, and yes, UCLA is considered a climate leader. Each individual bit of carbon emissions is miniscule when compared to the total, that is why limiting the sale of gas leaf blowers is actually important, changing how we make concrete is actually important, and for sure reducing transportation emissions, even the miniscule ones, is actually important....at least if you truly believe. Full disclosure, I have a Stihl gas-powered backpack which I use around my property fairly regularly. I smoked cigarettes as a kid. I do not wear dust masks when working with spraying chemicals, working with paint or carb/brake cleaner, all the things that you're supposed to do. I am not qualified to soapbox on this, lol. Leaf blowers are arguably pretty awful in an urban environment because they stir up particulate as well as harmful chemicals like methane, co2, benzene, formaldehyde etc. into the air where they are breathed in by people. That being said, those gas leaf blowers create a ton of noise and I can see some non-emissions related advantages to banning them in the city. I think the biggest problem with it that I see is that the electric leaf blowers just do not have enough cfm to remove wet leaves from pavement, which is ultimately a safety hazard. Need to wait on this until the tech catches up. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 23, 2024 13:09:40 GMT -8
Aviation and travel is a miniscule part of said carbon footprint. As of 2023 a distant 9th in the top 10 list. Agriculture pra tices produce 4 times the emissions. I don't think the "10" traveling more is going to tip any scale. Not seeing complaints about the average of about 41k miles for EACH NBA team. Pac12's demise is what it is... but, carbon emissions ain't one of the issues. yea, keep your cows from farting And they could fix a large chunk of the cow farting issue by simply eliminating feedlots and mandating regenerative ranching practices. |
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My leaf blower, now that is miniscule, but Portland is banning gas leaf blowers in 2026. How many leaf blowers can you fuel with one cross country flight??? The point is the "do as I say, not do as I do" element of climate leadership, and yes, UCLA is considered a climate leader. Each individual bit of carbon emissions is miniscule when compared to the total, that is why limiting the sale of gas leaf blowers is actually important, changing how we make concrete is actually important, and for sure reducing transportation emissions, even the miniscule ones, is actually important....at least if you truly believe.
