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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 18, 2024 17:38:41 GMT -8
I think the difference is that over the past 20 years or so, Ohio State has always managed to be in the conversation at the end of the year. Not many teams have done that. Not Auburn. Not Alabama. Not Clemson. Certainly not Michigan. And though they've only won 2 National Championships this century, one was against the Ducks, so it counts triple. ;-) That's because the Big 10 is not a deep conference. I'd argue for most of thst time it was a joke, because before Harbough it was Ohio State and the 13 dwarfs. 5 different SEC schools won the NC this century (Florida, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Bama). They just added two more. This conversation started by someone opining if the Big 10 add FSU and Clemson it might finish off the SEC. Thats actually kinda hilarious 13 dwarfs? Penn St, Iowa Michigan St. and Wisconsin have all been good. You are under-selling their depth. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 18, 2024 18:58:37 GMT -8
What is SEC vs Big 10 head to head? How many times have Iowa, Wisky, or Penn State played for a NC this century...I'll omit the other 8 to 10 schools. But NC winners Florida and Auburn are junk. Mississippi right now is a better program than Penn State. Lastly, Michigan and UW just lost their head coaches. One of them to Bama. Oregon joins the Big 10 and it's one of the favorites to win the conference. That would be one more time than Lanning won the Pac 12. Don't get me started on the failure Lincoln Kennedy is. And UCLA....really? Bottom line...Ohio State is a power team, no doubt. Oregon might be. Michigan and Washington are trending downward. USC is a s%#t show. 6 or 7 SEC teams in any given year could rise up to win the NC. 2 or 3 in Big 10. Vastly. I don't understand. Because they have not won a title game in six months? Current preseason rankings have Michigan at 10 to 15 and UW is unranked. So yeah...trending downward |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 18, 2024 19:15:19 GMT -8
What is SEC vs Big 10 head to head? How many times have Iowa, Wisky, or Penn State played for a NC this century...I'll omit the other 8 to 10 schools. But NC winners Florida and Auburn are junk. Mississippi right now is a better program than Penn State. Lastly, Michigan and UW just lost their head coaches. One of them to Bama. Oregon joins the Big 10 and it's one of the favorites to win the conference. That would be one more time than Lanning won the Pac 12. Don't get me started on the failure Lincoln Kennedy is. And UCLA....really? Bottom line...Ohio State is a power team, no doubt. Oregon might be. Michigan and Washington are trending downward. USC is a s%#t show. 6 or 7 SEC teams in any given year could rise up to win the NC. 2 or 3 in Big 10. Vastly. I don't understand. Because they have not won a title game in six months? Maybe because they lost their head coach and multi-year starting QB? |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 18, 2024 19:19:21 GMT -8
That's because the Big 10 is not a deep conference. I'd argue for most of thst time it was a joke, because before Harbough it was Ohio State and the 13 dwarfs. 5 different SEC schools won the NC this century (Florida, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Bama). They just added two more. This conversation started by someone opining if the Big 10 add FSU and Clemson it might finish off the SEC. Thats actually kinda hilarious 13 dwarfs? Penn St, Iowa Michigan St. and Wisconsin have all been good. You are under-selling their depth. Oregon State and Wash8ngton State have been good. LSU, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Texas, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Auburn, Florida have been good. Missouri beat Ohio State last year. Mississippi beat Penn State by double digits. Tennessee shut out Iowa and won by 35. I hope I don't read anyone bitching about Oregon's schedule if they win the Big 10 next year because that will be the norm. And again...this is all about the comment the Big 10 making the SEC irrelevant if it adds FSU and Clemson. I root against the SEC as much as the next guy. Was stoked Michigan took them down last year. The SEC will always be king in college football. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 18, 2024 19:49:29 GMT -8
13 dwarfs? Penn St, Iowa Michigan St. and Wisconsin have all been good. You are under-selling their depth. Oregon State and Wash8ngton State have been good. LSU, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Texas, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Auburn, Florida have been good. Missouri beat Ohio State last year. Mississippi beat Penn State by double digits. Tennessee shut out Iowa and won by 35. I hope I don't read anyone bitching about Oregon's schedule if they win the Big 10 next year because that will be the norm. And again...this is all about the comment the Big 10 making the SEC irrelevant if it adds FSU and Clemson. I root against the SEC as much as the next guy. Was stoked Michigan took them down last year. The SEC will always be king in college football. Don’t think the SEC will become irrelevant, but you’re not giving the Big 10 enough credit. They are a solid #2 in the big conferences. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 18, 2024 20:13:38 GMT -8
Oregon State and Wash8ngton State have been good. LSU, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Texas, Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Auburn, Florida have been good. Missouri beat Ohio State last year. Mississippi beat Penn State by double digits. Tennessee shut out Iowa and won by 35. I hope I don't read anyone bitching about Oregon's schedule if they win the Big 10 next year because that will be the norm. And again...this is all about the comment the Big 10 making the SEC irrelevant if it adds FSU and Clemson. I root against the SEC as much as the next guy. Was stoked Michigan took them down last year. The SEC will always be king in college football. Don’t think the SEC will become irrelevant, but you’re not giving the Big 10 enough credit. They are a solid #2 in the big conferences. Right now with Pac 12 Top 4? Absolutely. With Clemson and FSU? Absolutely. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 23, 2024 10:51:15 GMT -8
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Post by 93beav on Jul 23, 2024 12:04:29 GMT -8
I read something somewhere last week that there was also a play by the Big12 to add FSU and Clemson...by paying them more. That seems pretty unrealistic, but it's what I read. Also, if the lawsuits are challenging the nature of the GOR itself, I'm not sure it will matter when they give notice, other than for scheduling. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 23, 2024 14:06:32 GMT -8
If there is no valid GOR, the August 15, 2024, deadline is rather meaningless. |
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Post by grayman on Jul 24, 2024 14:20:43 GMT -8
Nothing has changed. Clemson and FSU are still in the midst of their court battle with the ACC. And has been noted, if the GOR proves to be invalid, those ACC deadlines don't matter.
As far as OSU and WSU are concerned, Teresa Gould and Glora Nevarez both talked about working on making the 2025 part of the scheduling agreement happen at their media days. Nevarez said there has been no talk with the Pac-12 to go beyond that as far as a multi-year agreement.
There is no reason for the Pac-2 to do anything else before 2026 unless a strong offer comes along.
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Post by orangeattack on Jul 24, 2024 14:25:53 GMT -8
Nothing has changed. Clemson and FSU are still in the midst of their court battle with the ACC. And has been noted, if the GOR proves to be invalid, those ACC deadlines don't matter. As far as OSU and WSU are concerned, Teresa Gould and Glora Nevarez both talked about working on making the 2025 part of the scheduling agreement happen at their media days. Nevarez said there has been no talk with the Pac-12 to go beyond that as far as a multi-year agreement. There is no reason for the Pac-2 to do anything else before 2026 unless a strong offer comes along.I don't disagree but it seems like we are increasingly banking on catching a river card that is statistically shrinking in probability all the time. Sucks. |
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Post by grayman on Jul 24, 2024 14:46:38 GMT -8
Nothing has changed. Clemson and FSU are still in the midst of their court battle with the ACC. And has been noted, if the GOR proves to be invalid, those ACC deadlines don't matter. As far as OSU and WSU are concerned, Teresa Gould and Glora Nevarez both talked about working on making the 2025 part of the scheduling agreement happen at their media days. Nevarez said there has been no talk with the Pac-12 to go beyond that as far as a multi-year agreement. There is no reason for the Pac-2 to do anything else before 2026 unless a strong offer comes along.I don't disagree but it seems like we are increasingly banking on catching a river card that is statistically shrinking in probability all the time. Sucks. I don't believe the probability of an ACC shakeup is shrinking at all. It almost certainly will happen at some point but to what degree it manifests is the unknown aspect of this whole thing. That the Pac-2 could get some sort of an offer from the ACC once the pieces start to move is a very real possibility. I still wonder a bit about the Big 12 and what Yormark might do as far as the West Coast. It's been reported that Oregon State is on his list but not WSU. That makes me think that he might be considering an OSU-SDSU combo or something like that. It would make some sense considering Gonzaga's most likely completely off the table and the Aztecs have been very strong in men's hoops lately. Also, both schools have significantly higher athletic budgets than WSU. SDSU would come with a little bit of a cost and WSU would not but I'm not sure Yormark is all that concerned with those fees if that's what he decides to do in the long run. |
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