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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 2, 2024 12:24:26 GMT -8
Arizona State is picked to finish in 16th place in the Big 12 preseason football poll. Holy crap, 16th place, that's quite an accomplishment. I know they tried to keep the Pac intact, but GFC, 16th place! That will sure draw the fans. ![](//storage.proboards.com/6366834/thumbnailer/I0aAxzbQrsoreIqkbEOq.png)
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Post by ag87 on Jul 2, 2024 14:07:04 GMT -8
The PAC is evenly dispersed among the old B8, SWC, and directional school teams. But my thought is what the heck is wrong at ASU? 1) football is crappy 2) Hurly wins just enough games not to be fired 3) baseball has been irrelevant for more than a decade 4) I don't think any women's sports are top tier 5) Oregon State was able to hire away their T&F coach.
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Post by seastape on Jul 2, 2024 14:29:42 GMT -8
I'm more interested and impressed with Utah's #1 ranking. I hope Utah annihilates the rest of that conference. I hope UA finishes 2nd, ASU 3rd and Colorado butt-naked last.
Until the Big 10 killed the Pac, the Big 12 was second only to the SEC in my hatred.
I still can't stand them.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 2, 2024 18:38:56 GMT -8
I'm more interested and impressed with Utah's #1 ranking. I hope Utah annihilates the rest of that conference. I hope UA finishes 2nd, ASU 3rd and Colorado butt-naked last. Until the Big 10 killed the Pac, the Big 12 was second only to the SEC in my hatred. I still can't stand them. If Rising's knee doesn't hold up, Utah is in a world of hurt, even in that sorry-ass league. Despite what the CFP says, the Big 12 is not worth $18 million more per team than the Mountain West.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jul 2, 2024 21:43:23 GMT -8
Media polls are interesting conversation starters, but if anyone should question their accuracy it is Beaver fans as we have frequently outperformed our preseason ranking over the years.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 2, 2024 21:58:26 GMT -8
Media polls are interesting conversation starters, but if anyone should question their accuracy it is Beaver fans as we have frequently outperformed our preseason ranking over the years. So, ASU will finish 15th? Or 14th? What remains hilarious to me is someone being able to finish 16th, an accomplishment even Avezzano's worst teams, or the 0-12 Huskies, were unable to accomplish (granted because it wasn't possible to finish any lower than 10th at the time). I don't think any college football team has ever finished in 16th place in its league. Ever. So the Big 12 will be a trendsetter.
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Post by seastape on Jul 3, 2024 3:13:11 GMT -8
I'm more interested and impressed with Utah's #1 ranking. I hope Utah annihilates the rest of that conference. I hope UA finishes 2nd, ASU 3rd and Colorado butt-naked last. Until the Big 10 killed the Pac, the Big 12 was second only to the SEC in my hatred. I still can't stand them. If Rising's knee doesn't hold up, Utah is in a world of hurt, even in that sorry-ass league. Despite what the CFP says, the Big 12 is not worth $18 million more per team than the Mountain West. I like the sentiment, but as it stands, the Big 12 is worth at least $18 million more than the MWC, as far as media rights and final payouts reflect.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 3, 2024 5:00:39 GMT -8
Media polls are interesting conversation starters, but if anyone should question their accuracy it is Beaver fans as we have frequently outperformed our preseason ranking over the years. So, ASU will finish 15th? Or 14th? What remains hilarious to me is someone being able to finish 16th, an accomplishment even Avezzano's worst teams, or the 0-12 Huskies, were unable to accomplish (granted because it wasn't possible to finish any lower than 10th at the time). I don't think any college football team has ever finished in 16th place in its league. Ever. So the Big 12 will be a trendsetter. 16th could technically happen in the SEC this year, but they are split into 2 divisions. But they will have a similar poll.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 3, 2024 6:35:20 GMT -8
So, ASU will finish 15th? Or 14th? What remains hilarious to me is someone being able to finish 16th, an accomplishment even Avezzano's worst teams, or the 0-12 Huskies, were unable to accomplish (granted because it wasn't possible to finish any lower than 10th at the time). I don't think any college football team has ever finished in 16th place in its league. Ever. So the Big 12 will be a trendsetter. 16th could technically happen in the SEC this year, but they are split into 2 divisions. But they will have a similar poll. True but the poll will be by divisions. So Vandy never gets picked lower than seventh (pre-2024) or eighth. I think a 16-team league will prove pretty unwieldly, but as long as they are making bank, they won't care. In theory you could go 6 or 7 years without playing a fellow member of the league from another division, especially if they stay at eight league games.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 3, 2024 7:23:17 GMT -8
When I look closely through the projected standings I can’t help think, wow, what a crappy conference. I guess Texas and Oklahoma added more to it than I gave credit for.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 3, 2024 8:20:06 GMT -8
ASU is a traitor school. If they finish 16th in all Big 12 sports, that's fine by me. I wish zero success to all ten of them, especially the Los Angeles schools.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 3, 2024 8:37:40 GMT -8
When I look closely through the projected standings I can’t help think, wow, what a crappy conference. I guess Texas and Oklahoma added more to it than I gave credit for. Yes, the top half of the Mountain West would be right at home in the Big 12. And the supposed top team (Utah) has not won a bowl game since 2017 (0-5) with two bowl losses to freaking Northwestern.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 3, 2024 16:19:56 GMT -8
Media polls are interesting conversation starters, but if anyone should question their accuracy it is Beaver fans as we have frequently outperformed our preseason ranking over the years. So, ASU will finish 15th? Or 14th? What remains hilarious to me is someone being able to finish 16th, an accomplishment even Avezzano's worst teams, or the 0-12 Huskies, were unable to accomplish (granted because it wasn't possible to finish any lower than 10th at the time). I don't think any college football team has ever finished in 16th place in its league. Ever. So the Big 12 will be a trendsetter. 17 in the ACC. (18 if you include Notre Dame.) 16 in the Big 12. 18 in the Big Ten. 16 in the SEC. In the past 25 years, the only time that a conference had more than 14 was in 2020, when Notre Dame joined the ACC as an affiliate member for a year, in order to play something close to a complete schedule. Syracuse finished 15th in 2020, going 1-9 and 1-10 overall. The other 1-9 team in the ACC was Duke (2-9 overall). Duke beat Syracuse 38-24 in Syracuse. The last time that a 1-A conference had 16 teams in football was in 1998. From 1996-1998, the WAC had 16 teams in a Mountain Division and a Pacific Division. UTEP went 0-8 and 2-9 overall in 1996 to finish 16th in the WAC. TCU was probably 16th in the WAC in 1997, finishing 1-7 in the WAC and 1-10 overall. Hawaii probably finished 16th in the WAC in 1998, 0-8 in the WAC and 0-12 overall. That same Hawaii team would rebound to go 9-4 the next year, beating Oregon State in the Oahu Bowl 23-17. Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV, Utah, and Wyoming would split off in 1999 to form the Mountain West. The last time before that that there was a major conference of more than 16 teams was in 1952. From 1950-1952, the Southern Conference had 17 members. (Team #17 was West Virginia, which joined between the 1949 and 1950 seasons.) Virginia Tech finished 0-8 and 0-10 overall to finish 17th in 1950. Virginia Tech went 1-7 and 2-8 overall to finish 17th again in 1951. In 1951, Maryland accepted a Sugar Bowl bid, and Clemson accepted a Gator Bowl bid. The Southern Conference voted in December to outlaw bowl games. When Clemson and Maryland refused to break their contracts, the Southern Conference suspended both programs. Both programs could play each other but could schedule no other program in the conference. The State of South Carolina voted to compel Clemson to play South Carolina, and the Southern Conference allowed Clemson and South Carolina to play in 1952. Richmond finished 17th in the Southern Conference in 1952, 0-6 in Southern Conference play and 1-9 overall. Between the 1952 and 1953 seasons, Clemson, Maryland, South Carolina, and the four North Carolina teams voted to leave the Southern Conference to start up the ACC. Virginia, a former Southern Conference member which was an independent at the time, joined a couple of months later. Virginia Tech left the Southern Conference between in 1965. West Virginia left the Southern Conference in 1968. The two teams would join the Big East in 1991. The last time before that there was a major conference of more than 17 teams was in 1932. From 1929-1932, the Southern Conference had 23 members. (Team #23 was Duke, which joined between the 1928 and 1929 seasons.) In 1929, 23rd was probably Auburn, which went 0-7 in the Southern Conference and 2-7 overall. VMI finished 23rd in 1929, 0-5 and 3-6 overall. Mississippi A&M (Mississippi State) finished 23rd in 1931, 0-5 and 2-6 overall. Sewanee finished 23rd in 1932, 0-6 and 2-7-1 overall. 13 teams left in 1933 to form the SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi , Mississippi State, Sewanee, Tennessee, Tulane, and Vanderbilt. 7 of the 10 teams left would ultimately be founding members of the ACC, along with Virginia Tech, VMI, and Washington and Lee. The eighth founding member of the ACC was Wake Forest, which joined the Southern Conference in 1936. There will be a Big Ten team that finishes 18th in 2024. And no team has done that in a major conference since VMI finished 18th back in 1932, a mere 92 years ago.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 3, 2024 16:25:13 GMT -8
ASU is a traitor school. If they finish 16th in all Big 12 sports, that's fine by me. I wish zero success to all ten of them, especially the Los Angeles schools. Arizona State and Utah were the two that were basically forced to leave by Arizona. Whose fault is the current predicament in basic order: 1. USC 2. UCLA 3. Colorado 4. Washington 5. Oregon 6. Arizona 7. Arizona State & Utah 9. Stanford 10. Cal
I wish no success to the ringleaders, but I do not fault Arizona State or Utah for leaving. I would have loved for Arizona State and Utah to stick around to try and build up a new Pac-12, but I would have been upset, if Oregon State had turned down a Big-16 invite.
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 3, 2024 16:49:30 GMT -8
ASU is a traitor school. If they finish 16th in all Big 12 sports, that's fine by me. I wish zero success to all ten of them, especially the Los Angeles schools. Arizona State and Utah were the two that were basically forced to leave by Arizona. Whose fault is the current predicament in basic order: 1. USC 2. UCLA 3. Colorado 4. Washington 5. Oregon 6. Arizona 7. Arizona State & Utah 9. Stanford 10. Cal
I wish no success to the ringleaders, but I do not fault Arizona State or Utah for leaving. I would have loved for Arizona State and Utah to stick around to try and build up a new Pac-12, but I would have been upset, if Oregon State had turned down a Big-16 invite.I'll only disagree in that "maybe" some proactive moves by the Pac12 could have prevented the collapse... So... #1 Pac12 President's for their choice of commissioners and their hand-off approach in letting him run the show; #2 The Eff wad commissioner with the supposed acute business acumen; #3 Media $ and the ego battle to control college football. That of course was assisted by #1 & #2 The "10" followed a path that was best for them given the debacle that was the Pac12 office because of the pathetic lack of forethought and oversight by the Pac12 Presidents. The Pac12 should have been proactive 3-4 seasons ago to strengthen the brand and conference. At the time when Disney & ESPN were in flux a contract negotiation, restructure most likely would have been possible. Add that a streaming partner to the Pac12 network could have opened more of the country. But...
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