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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 3, 2024 16:54:17 GMT -8
No one would have missed Colorado at all. Not one little bit. Replace them with SDSU and our league would have been better.
We could have thrived, even without USC and UCLA and Colorado. Washington and Oregon leaving killed the league. Before then we were wounded, but stabilized and would have survived just fine.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 3, 2024 17:11:46 GMT -8
Arizona State and Utah were the two that were basically forced to leave by Arizona. Whose fault is the current predicament in basic order: 1. USC
2. UCLA
3. Colorado
4. Washington
5. Oregon
6. Arizona
7. Arizona State & Utah
9. Stanford
10. Cal
I wish no success to the ringleaders, but I do not fault Arizona State or Utah for leaving. I would have loved for Arizona State and Utah to stick around to try and build up a new Pac-12, but I would have been upset, if Oregon State had turned down a Big-16 invite.I'll only disagree in that "maybe" some proactive moves by the Pac12 could have prevented the collapse... So... #1 Pac12 President's for their choice of commissioners and their hand-off approach in letting him run the show; #2 The Eff wad commissioner with the supposed acute business acumen; #3 Media $ and the ego battle to control college football. That of course was assisted by #1 & #2 The "10" followed a path that was best for them given the debacle that was the Pac12 office because of the pathetic lack of forethought and oversight by the Pac12 Presidents. The Pac12 should have been proactive 3-4 seasons ago to strengthen the brand and conference. At the time when Disney & ESPN were in flux a contract negotiation, restructure most likely would have been possible. Add that a streaming partner to the Pac12 network could have opened more of the country. But... The Pac-12 Chairman in 2021, when Scott was run off and George K. was hired? Oregon's Michael Schill, who is now at Northwestern. Who else was on the firing and hiring Committees in 2021? Washington's Ana Mari Cauce. Cauce and Schill were effectively in charge of the Pac-12 with a 2-1 vote at the exact wrong time. Also, I will keep bringing up one of my favorite threads of all time, because it has aged extremely well for me, as most threads have.George K. was a small potatoes hire made by a conference afraid to spend money at the exact wrong time for that to be THE concern. The guy never had a plan. The guy never had vision. The guy was an absentee landlord. I feel like the conference put itself into a hole by fumbling COVID-19. And then overreacted to the lack of money that it caused itself by firing Scott to cut overhead. George K. was a low-rent clown. And that much was obvious a couple of months in. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 3, 2024 17:14:39 GMT -8
No one would have missed Colorado at all. Not one little bit. Replace them with SDSU and our league would have been better. We could have thrived, even without USC and UCLA and Colorado. Washington and Oregon leaving killed the league. Before then we were wounded, but stabilized and would have survived just fine. I felt like Colorado leaving was what helped convince Washington to give up the fight and accept the Big Ten's offer. I hold Oregon in higher regard than Colorado and Washington. Oregon only went, because Washington did. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 3, 2024 17:43:30 GMT -8
No one would have missed Colorado at all. Not one little bit. Replace them with SDSU and our league would have been better. We could have thrived, even without USC and UCLA and Colorado. Washington and Oregon leaving killed the league. Before then we were wounded, but stabilized and would have survived just fine. I felt like Colorado leaving was what helped convince Washington to give up the fight and accept the Big Ten's offer. I hold Oregon in higher regard than Colorado and Washington. Oregon only went, because Washington did. The Big Ten always said it didn't want to be the group that "broke up the Pac-12." Colorado leaving would have had little or no impact on the conference; it didn't play baseball, softball, men's soccer, gymnastics, wrestling or crew, sports many Pac-12 schools sponsored. But Colorado leaving gave the Big Ten the cover it needed to go back to the Big Ten presidents and TV networks and get their "permission" to approach UW and Oregon with the expressed intent of breaking up the Pac-12. They knew they could probably get UW and UO for 50 cents on the dollar, and they could cover their asses by saying Colorado's departure had already broken up the conference, when in fact it had done nothing of the sort. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 3, 2024 18:12:39 GMT -8
I felt like Colorado leaving was what helped convince Washington to give up the fight and accept the Big Ten's offer. I hold Oregon in higher regard than Colorado and Washington. Oregon only went, because Washington did. The Big Ten always said it didn't want to be the group that "broke up the Pac-12." Colorado leaving would have had little or no impact on the conference; it didn't play baseball, softball, men's soccer, gymnastics, wrestling or crew, sports many Pac-12 schools sponsored. But Colorado leaving gave the Big Ten the cover it needed to go back to the Big Ten presidents and TV networks and get their "permission" to approach UW and Oregon with the expressed intent of breaking up the Pac-12. They knew they could probably get UW and UO for 50 cents on the dollar, and they could cover their asses by saying Colorado's departure had already broken up the conference, when in fact it had done nothing of the sort. So, yeah, Colorado gave the Big Ten the cover that it needed to gut the conference. Had Colorado stayed, the Big Ten would not have invited Washington and Oregon. |
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Post by ag87 on Jul 3, 2024 18:21:45 GMT -8
Responding to both wilky and rgeorge's post - Yes, the school presidents were asleep at the switch. But it's not their strength, so they hire a commissioner and have the AD's review them. Regarding the individual schools, I put the stinking place in Seattle just behind the stinking school in south-central LA. And now everyone has bailed who led them to the decision - president, athletic director, and football coach.
edit - I don't care about Colorado. Decent school and all that but they did not seem to fit in and were generally lousy at sports. Kevin Warren (?) B10 commissioner would have made the move regardless. He didn't give a sh1t. He was already looking for his next job.
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 3, 2024 18:24:26 GMT -8
Why do folks continue to think they know what the B10, B12, or ACC were, or are thinking? Or why thinks happened the way they did. As they truly don't have any clue, yet state as if factual.
The only factual info is that zero movement happens without the media companies of record approving and deciding how much money will be available to make a deal. No conference, no team made anything happen without that approval and $.
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 3, 2024 18:26:16 GMT -8
Responding to both wilky and rgeorge's post - Yes, the school presidents were asleep at the switch. But it's not their strength, so they hire a commissioner and have the AD's review them. Regarding the individual schools, I put the stinking place in Seattle just behind the stinking school in south-central LA. And now everyone has bailed who led them to the decision - president, athletic director, and football coach. edit - I don't care about Colorado. Decent school and all that but they did not seem to fit in and were generally lousy at sports. Kevin Warren (?) B10 commissioner would have made the move regardless. He didn't give a sh1t. He was already looking for his next job. The ADs have zero to do with the commish other than input when asked. Nor anything with his evaluation. |
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Post by ag87 on Jul 3, 2024 18:28:05 GMT -8
Responding to both wilky and rgeorge's post - Yes, the school presidents were asleep at the switch. But it's not their strength, so they hire a commissioner and have the AD's review them. Regarding the individual schools, I put the stinking place in Seattle just behind the stinking school in south-central LA. And now everyone has bailed who led them to the decision - president, athletic director, and football coach. edit - I don't care about Colorado. Decent school and all that but they did not seem to fit in and were generally lousy at sports. Kevin Warren (?) B10 commissioner would have made the move regardless. He didn't give a sh1t. He was already looking for his next job. The ADs have zero to do with the commish other than input when asked. Nor anything with his evaluation. I see the AD's as the presidents' "sports experts." |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 3, 2024 18:31:01 GMT -8
The ADs have zero to do with the commish other than input when asked. Nor anything with his evaluation. I see the AD's as the presidents' "sports experts." Agree in principle. But, no matter they are in no way involved with hiring or evaluating a commish. Nor do they really make any final decisions within the AD without President, and in some cases board approval. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 3, 2024 18:41:32 GMT -8
The Big Ten commissioner was on record saying he did not want to be the one to break up the Pac-12. That's how one knows what the Big Ten was thinking, at least publicly.
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 3, 2024 19:06:06 GMT -8
The Big Ten commissioner was on record saying he did not want to be the one to break up the Pac-12. That's how one knows what the Big Ten was thinking, at least publicly. Ah... so public comments are truly what the B10, (commish or conference leaders as a whole) was thinking. Good to know we can always go by what someone wants the public to hear. Cuz, I'm pretty sure their "thinking" involved multiple plans and contingencies. As it indeed planned out, since the UW, Oregon move was truly the straw. Plus, my comment was about more than one "public" comment |
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 4, 2024 8:08:14 GMT -8
No one would have missed Colorado at all. Not one little bit. Replace them with SDSU and our league would have been better. We could have thrived, even without USC and UCLA and Colorado. Washington and Oregon leaving killed the league. Before then we were wounded, but stabilized and would have survived just fine. I felt like Colorado leaving was what helped convince Washington to give up the fight and accept the Big Ten's offer. I hold Oregon in higher regard than Colorado and Washington. Oregon only went, because Washington did. Your soft spot for Oregon continues Wilky. When looking at the whole body of work over the past 20 years or so, hole does not pass the sniff test.
In life, it isn't one action that defines a man/ woman/ company/ school, but the whole body of work. Hole has been selfish and unscrupulous for a very long time. Remember the NCAA violations? Willie Lyles, etc? back when the NCAA had a modicum of backbone and integrity? A little cash from uncle Phil, and it all went away. Cheating was at least a part of how they got to where they are. They would stab their own mother in the back for a dollar. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 4, 2024 9:18:13 GMT -8
No one would have missed Colorado at all. Not one little bit. Replace them with SDSU and our league would have been better. We could have thrived, even without USC and UCLA and Colorado. Washington and Oregon leaving killed the league. Before then we were wounded, but stabilized and would have survived just fine. I felt like Colorado leaving was what helped convince Washington to give up the fight and accept the Big Ten's offer. I hold Oregon in higher regard than Colorado and Washington. Oregon only went, because Washington did. I hope what you really meant to say is, "I hold Oregon in slightly less disdain than Colorado and Washington." The term 'higher regard' really has no business in a sentence speaking about University of Oregon athletics. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 4, 2024 11:35:57 GMT -8
I felt like Colorado leaving was what helped convince Washington to give up the fight and accept the Big Ten's offer. I hold Oregon in higher regard than Colorado and Washington. Oregon only went, because Washington did. Your soft spot for Oregon continues Wilky. When looking at the whole body of work over the past 20 years or so, hole does not pass the sniff test.
In life, it isn't one action that defines a man/ woman/ company/ school, but the whole body of work. Hole has been selfish and unscrupulous for a very long time. Remember the NCAA violations? Willie Lyles, etc? back when the NCAA had a modicum of backbone and integrity? A little cash from uncle Phil, and it all went away. Cheating was at least a part of how they got to where they are. They would stab their own mother in the back for a dollar. I think that being almost 1,000 miles away from Eugene helps give me some perspective. It helps to not have to interact with those knuckle-draggers on a monthly basis. Oregon sucks and has sucked for years. But they sucked less than Washington last year at one of the most crucial moments in the last 130 years in Northwest athletics. |
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