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Post by ftd on May 24, 2024 7:44:27 GMT -8
who wins the remaining P12 tourney games?
Any RPI help/hurt from any of the remaining teams?
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Post by ricke71 on May 24, 2024 8:32:25 GMT -8
I'm an RPI novice, but it seems that any boost Cal gets (like winning it all), might help the Beavs a bit (since they swept OSU).
Also of interest: The final four remaining teams include only one certainty for inclusion in the 64 team field (Arizona)....one 'bubble team' (California - according to 5/24 DI BB, the 64th team in, at present)....and two 'stolen bid' teams (USC and Stanford).
USC and Stanford do NOT play each other today (Friday), potentially setting up an 'All-Stolen Bid" Final.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 24, 2024 8:53:49 GMT -8
who wins the remaining P12 tourney games? Any RPI help/hurt from any of the remaining teams? Not really. Committee usually only considers regular season RPI. How you do in a tourney is just something to help an argument for bubble teams like any other stat or superlative. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 24, 2024 9:03:07 GMT -8
who wins the remaining P12 tourney games? Any RPI help/hurt from any of the remaining teams? Not really. Committee usually only considers regular season RPI. How you do in a tourney is just something to help an argument for bubble teams like any other stat or superlative. RPI #s will change. How much they effect seeding is a committee decision on teams they are deciding between. They also get a "conference sheet". It includes games vs ALL conference opponents... conference, midweek, tourney games are all on that list. When teams are tightly bunched for seeding purposes RPI, how a team finished vs what type of competition, and RPI "trend" are looked at. But, really it comes down to committee "opinions". Confirmation bias using whatever data points they can find to back up their seeding. |
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Post by jimbeav on May 24, 2024 12:31:08 GMT -8
I have vague memories of prior years where we entered the last weekend needing certain scenarios to happen, and when they did or didn't happen, the committee's decision seemed to ignore the final weekend results.
I suspect they've already made their decision, and based on our stretch run at the end of the season, I think we're hosting.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on May 24, 2024 12:35:35 GMT -8
Biggest result we probably want isn't a PAC result. We need Tennessee to beat Mississippi State today so we stay above them in the hosting pecking order. An MSU win today over #1 Tennessee probably jumps them above us and puts us in very real danger of not hosting (and likely going to MSU).
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Post by rgeorge on May 24, 2024 12:44:47 GMT -8
Ha... some will really care come Monday.
No matter the selection/site for OSU the conspiracy folks will be out in full force tell the rest of us how OSU was jobbed, and how the demise of the Pac12 screwed us. The "poor us" victim attitude will surely name all these teams that OSU is most assuredly better than and that our pairings were made to make sure we, a "national power", doesn't advance. Yet some of those same people will postulate that being a "national power" is what gives the SEC all the breaks. And, that OSU's standing as a national power will make next year's independent standing a non-factor in allowing for a schedule where elite teams will want to play OSU.
So confusing...
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Post by tamatrix on May 24, 2024 13:07:49 GMT -8
An Oklahoma State loss today doesn't hurt either....
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Post by osubeaver2018 on May 24, 2024 13:08:39 GMT -8
Ha... some will really care come Monday. No matter the selection/site for OSU the conspiracy folks will be out in full force tell the rest of us how OSU was jobbed, and how the demise of the Pac12 screwed us. The "poor us" victim attitude will surely name all these teams that OSU is most assuredly better than and that our pairings were made to make sure we, a "national power", doesn't advance. Yet some of those same people will postulate that being a "national power" is what gives the SEC all the breaks. And, that OSU's standing as a national power will make next year's independent standing a non-factor in allowing for a schedule where elite teams will want to play OSU. So confusing... I think most of the angst about us possibly not being a host/not getting a top 8 seed comes mostly from being highly ranked in the human polls all season long. It's strange to see a 42 win OSU possibly being a 2 seed somewhere. 9 times out of 10 that gets us a top 8 seed without question (we got a #1 seed with a record very similar in 2014). The issue is like you've said in previous posts that the SOS just isn't there thus year, and we've stumbled against inferior competition at inopportune times. I want us to be a top 8 seed as much as the next guy, I've got a flight booked on the off chance we host a super, but I don't think you can say you've watched this team all year long and say we deserve a top seed. Does the SEC deserve 5-6 super hosts? Probably not, but hard to argue who you'd put up there in their place at the moment. The PAC being down certainly hurts us, just because it's baseball we were going to drop a few games we probably shouldn't, a stronger conference would've helped offset that some. But we had our chances to control our own destiny and leave no doubt about hosting and didn't finish the job. Leave it up to the committee and you have to be prepared for what you might get. |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on May 24, 2024 13:09:22 GMT -8
An Oklahoma State loss today doesn't hurt either.... It would hurt our overall RPI. But may help us be seen above them. Might need wilky math to know what result would actually be better for us. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 24, 2024 13:12:02 GMT -8
An Oklahoma State loss today doesn't hurt either.... It would hurt our overall RPI. But may help us be seen above them. Might need wilky math to know what result would actually be better for us.   Wilky = Terrence Howard? |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on May 24, 2024 13:16:50 GMT -8
An Oklahoma State loss today doesn't hurt either.... It would hurt our overall RPI. But may help us be seen above them. Might need wilky math to know what result would actually be better for us. Just realized Oklahoma State is playing TTU so probably is better for TTU to win since both were common opponents. Disregard my post above. |
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Post by tamatrix on May 24, 2024 13:17:34 GMT -8
An Oklahoma State loss today doesn't hurt either.... It would hurt our overall RPI. But may help us be seen above them. Might need wilky math to know what result would actually be better for us. They are currently 2 "RPI points" ahead of us on WarrenNolan's calc.... Okla State wins +15 points, loses -34 points for Okla St WarrenNolan doesn't even list the Oklahoma State as an Impact game for us which usually means it's +/- less than 2 points either way.... So we clearly jump them with a loss. There are a handful of other games today that impact us too, but this one is biggest in race with them when we are virtually tied. Cool site each day if you haven't seen it -> www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2024/team-impact?team=Oregon-State |
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Post by hottubbeaver on May 24, 2024 13:21:22 GMT -8
Ha... some will really care come Monday. No matter the selection/site for OSU the conspiracy folks will be out in full force tell the rest of us how OSU was jobbed, and how the demise of the Pac12 screwed us. The "poor us" victim attitude will surely name all these teams that OSU is most assuredly better than and that our pairings were made to make sure we, a "national power", doesn't advance. Yet some of those same people will postulate that being a "national power" is what gives the SEC all the breaks. And, that OSU's standing as a national power will make next year's independent standing a non-factor in allowing for a schedule where elite teams will want to play OSU. So confusing... Of course hosting is preferable, especially for fans who want to attend, but it's no guarantee of advancement and in some ways may be a detriment. Just look back a couple years ago 2022: Auburn advanced through Corvallis regional. N.D. advanced through Knoxville regional Arkansas advanced through Chapel Hill Ole Miss advanced through Hattiesburg Texas advanced through Greenville OU advanced through Blacksburg T A&M advanced through Louisville 7 of 8 CWS teams played on the road in the Supers and advanced. 1 home team, Stanford, made it to the CWS. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 24, 2024 13:21:50 GMT -8
who wins the remaining P12 tourney games? Any RPI help/hurt from any of the remaining teams? For RPI purposes, you want Cal and Stanford to win. And you want Stanford to win it all. You want North Dakota State to win today and win the Summit League Championship tomorrow. You want CSUN to beat Irvine. You want Bakersfield to beat Davis. You want Gonzaga to hold on to beat St. Mary's and for Portland to beat later today. Tonight, you want Gonzaga to finish off San Diego. I believe that Gonzaga beating Portland helps RPI more than the other way around, but it will probably be close. You want New Mexico to beat Fresno today and then win the next three. You want Texas Tech to beat Oklahoma State (probably bumps Oregon State up a spot) and then win out. You want Michigan to beat Illinois, Penn State twice and then beat Indiana/Nebraska/Ohio State. |
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