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Post by ihatetheducks on May 21, 2024 10:36:08 GMT -8
Beavers were 19-10, not 19-11
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on May 21, 2024 10:41:02 GMT -8
Interesting that winning the conference seems to be so important for us, but 5th in the SEC is not a problem at all. The top three in the SEC each have a better record in the SEC than Oregon State had in the Pac-12. They each played a more difficult schedule. They each finished with a better record in nonconference play. You can argue that Oregon State has a better resume than one of those three, but you would be wrong. Fourth is Texas A&M. Oregon State's current official conference record is 19-11, because they will add in the midweek loss to Oregon on the RPI sheet. That matches Texas A&M's record in SEC play. Texas A&M finished with a better record in nonconference play and a better nonconference RPI. Once again, right now, there is no argument that Oregon State should be a national seed over any one of those teams. And Clemson and North Carolina are similar. Georgia is the next team. Georgia is finished sixth in the SEC. If Georgia loses the opener to LSU, they should not be a top eight seed. Period. If they win, that probably changes the analysis. It is not only that Oregon State did not win the Pac-12. It is because the Beavs only went 19-11 against the sixth-best conference. Arizona finished 22-10. Oregon finished 20-11. Oregon State is really third, including the midweek loss to Oregon. The Beavs need to finish with the best record in the Pac-12. Oregon State needs to post a better overall record in Pac-12 play than Arizona and Oregon and cannot get caught by a team like USC. This RPI shows OSU still at 19-10 in conference. Where you getting 19-11 from? www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2024/schedule/Oregon-State |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 21, 2024 12:48:18 GMT -8
The top three in the SEC each have a better record in the SEC than Oregon State had in the Pac-12. They each played a more difficult schedule. They each finished with a better record in nonconference play. You can argue that Oregon State has a better resume than one of those three, but you would be wrong. Fourth is Texas A&M. Oregon State's current official conference record is 19-11, because they will add in the midweek loss to Oregon on the RPI sheet. That matches Texas A&M's record in SEC play. Texas A&M finished with a better record in nonconference play and a better nonconference RPI. Once again, right now, there is no argument that Oregon State should be a national seed over any one of those teams. And Clemson and North Carolina are similar. Georgia is the next team. Georgia is finished sixth in the SEC. If Georgia loses the opener to LSU, they should not be a top eight seed. Period. If they win, that probably changes the analysis. It is not only that Oregon State did not win the Pac-12. It is because the Beavs only went 19-11 against the sixth-best conference. Arizona finished 22-10. Oregon finished 20-11. Oregon State is really third, including the midweek loss to Oregon. The Beavs need to finish with the best record in the Pac-12. Oregon State needs to post a better overall record in Pac-12 play than Arizona and Oregon and cannot get caught by a team like USC. This RPI shows OSU still at 19-10 in conference. Where you getting 19-11 from? www.warrennolan.com/baseball/2024/schedule/Oregon-StateIt will say 19-11 on the actual sheets that the Committee gets. Hopefully, it says 23-11 after the Pac-12 Tournament. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 21, 2024 12:49:59 GMT -8
It will say 19-11 on the actual sheets that the Committee gets. Hopefully, it says 23-11 after the Pac-12 Tournament. Some just chose not to read, or pick and chose what they read. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 21, 2024 12:51:36 GMT -8
It will say 19-11 on the actual sheets that the Committee gets. Hopefully, it says 23-11 after the Pac-12 Tournament. We didn't lose 11 conference games..... |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 21, 2024 12:55:00 GMT -8
It will say 19-11 on the actual sheets that the Committee gets. Hopefully, it says 23-11 after the Pac-12 Tournament. We didn't lose 11 conference games..... That is irrelevant as to what will actually appear on the RPI sheets that the Committee will see. Oregon State currently went 19-11 against Pac-12 opponents. |
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Post by joecool on May 21, 2024 12:55:14 GMT -8
Are they incorrectly counting the non conference game against Oregon?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 21, 2024 12:59:22 GMT -8
Are they incorrectly counting the non conference game against Oregon? They are not incorrectly counting anything. The Committee does not get told whether games are "conference games" or not. The Committee only gets told what the overall record is against conference opponents. The Committee's RPI sheets will indicate that Oregon State is 19-11 in Pac-12 play. The fact that it was not a "conference game" will be irrelevant to the committee's analysis. I take no position as to whether that is "right" or "wrong." I am just relaying what the facts are. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 21, 2024 13:00:00 GMT -8
Are they incorrectly counting the non conference game against Oregon? They are not incorrectly counting anything. The Committee does not get told whether games are "conference games" or not. The Committee only gets told what the overall record is against conference opponents. The Committee's RPI sheets will indicate that Oregon State is 19-11 in Pac-12 play. The fact that it was not a "conference game" will be irrelevant to the committee's analysis. I take no position as to whether that is "right" or "wrong." I am just relaying what the facts are. And, where are you getting these facts from? |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on May 21, 2024 13:01:16 GMT -8
Are they incorrectly counting the non conference game against Oregon? They are not incorrectly counting anything. The Committee does not get told whether games are "conference games" or not. The Committee only gets told what the overall record is against conference opponents. The Committee's RPI sheets will indicate that Oregon State is 19-11 in Pac-12 play. The fact that it was not a "conference game" will be irrelevant to the committee's analysis. I take no position as to whether that is "right" or "wrong." I am just relaying what the facts are. Essentially the midweek games matter just as much for postseason purposes as the weekend games do. They aren't as "meaningless" as people like to say they are. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 21, 2024 13:03:08 GMT -8
They are not incorrectly counting anything. The Committee does not get told whether games are "conference games" or not. The Committee only gets told what the overall record is against conference opponents. The Committee's RPI sheets will indicate that Oregon State is 19-11 in Pac-12 play. The fact that it was not a "conference game" will be irrelevant to the committee's analysis. I take no position as to whether that is "right" or "wrong." I am just relaying what the facts are. Essentially the midweek games matter just as much for postseason purposes as the weekend games do. They aren't as "meaningless" as people like to say they are. Nobody is saying that. Just questioning if they put that mid-week game in as "conference record" to the committee. It's not, and they shouldn't. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 21, 2024 13:06:07 GMT -8
They are not incorrectly counting anything. The Committee does not get told whether games are "conference games" or not. The Committee only gets told what the overall record is against conference opponents. The Committee's RPI sheets will indicate that Oregon State is 19-11 in Pac-12 play. The fact that it was not a "conference game" will be irrelevant to the committee's analysis. I take no position as to whether that is "right" or "wrong." I am just relaying what the facts are. Essentially the midweek games matter just as much for postseason purposes as the weekend games do. They aren't as "meaningless" as people like to say they are. Folks who say they are meaningless seem to forget more than 50% of the schedule is NC, and out of conference play (post season tourney). And, a midweek game vs a conference opponent is also a midweek for them... it's not like one team is at some disadvantage. It did not count in the conference race, but does in record vs conference foes. A team's NC schedule is a big factor when it comes down to teams that are bunched together is seeding discussions. The committee takes into account: winning a conference/auto bids, record vs ALL conference opponents, RPI (overall, NC), SOS (overall, NC), Quad records, etc. Plus there is committee input/jousting/discussions when it comes to nitpicking between seeds. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 21, 2024 13:11:54 GMT -8
They are not incorrectly counting anything. The Committee does not get told whether games are "conference games" or not. The Committee only gets told what the overall record is against conference opponents. The Committee's RPI sheets will indicate that Oregon State is 19-11 in Pac-12 play. The fact that it was not a "conference game" will be irrelevant to the committee's analysis. I take no position as to whether that is "right" or "wrong." I am just relaying what the facts are. And, where are you getting these facts from? I have seen the NCAA Division 1 Baseball Committee Sheets? I have Oregon State's 2019 team sheet. It states that Oregon State went 22-9 in "CONFERENCE." That is 21-8 in Pac-12 play plus 1-1 in two "nonconference" games against Oregon. You could run down the data and figure out that two games were nonconference games and subtract them out, but the topline numbers do not break out "nonconference" games against conference opponents. And they never have. My whole point in going down this rabbit hole was to point out that Oregon State will appear to the Committee that the Beavs finished third in the Pac-12 as of this moment. Oregon State needs to finish with a better record in the Pac-12 Tournament than Arizona and Oregon, in order to really feel great about a regional host spot. And definitely needs to do better in the Pac-12 Tournament than both Arizona and Oregon to really make the case that the Beavs should be a top-eight seed. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 21, 2024 13:16:17 GMT -8
And, where are you getting these facts from? I have seen the NCAA Division 1 Baseball Committee Sheets? I have Oregon State's 2019 team sheet. It states that Oregon State went 22-9 in "CONFERENCE." That IS 21-8 in Pac-12 play plus 1-1 in two "nonconference" games against Oregon. You could run down the data and figure out that two games were nonconference games and subtract them out, but the topline numbers do not break out "nonconference" games against conference opponents. And they never have. My whole point in going down this rabbit hole was to point out that Oregon State will appear to the Committee that the Beavs finished third in the Pac-12 as of this moment. Oregon State needs to finish with a better record in the Pac-12 Tournament than Arizona and Oregon, in order to really feel great about a regional host spot. And definitely needs to do better in the Pac-12 Tournament than both Arizona and Oregon to really make the case that the Beavs should be a top-eight seed. Curious how you have that sheet. And to your last paragraph, you shouldn't be on the committee if you can't figure out which teams finished in which place during conference play. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 21, 2024 13:18:53 GMT -8
I have seen the NCAA Division 1 Baseball Committee Sheets? I have Oregon State's 2019 team sheet. It states that Oregon State went 22-9 in "CONFERENCE." That IS 21-8 in Pac-12 play plus 1-1 in two "nonconference" games against Oregon. You could run down the data and figure out that two games were nonconference games and subtract them out, but the topline numbers do not break out "nonconference" games against conference opponents. And they never have. My whole point in going down this rabbit hole was to point out that Oregon State will appear to the Committee that the Beavs finished third in the Pac-12 as of this moment. Oregon State needs to finish with a better record in the Pac-12 Tournament than Arizona and Oregon, in order to really feel great about a regional host spot. And definitely needs to do better in the Pac-12 Tournament than both Arizona and Oregon to really make the case that the Beavs should be a top-eight seed. Curious how you have that sheet. And to your last paragraph, you shouldn't be on the committee if you can't figure out which teams finished in which place during conference play. Lol. The Committee is made up of university bureaucrats, most of whom could care less about baseball. Yes, you are right. The Committee should be made up of a bunch of people, who have a higher baseball IQ, but that is not who is on the Committee. The Committee tends to be better in football and basketball, but for baseball.......... Oregon State still has a chance to finish 23-11 in "CONFERENCE" play. I was just highlighting that it is looking great at the moment. |
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