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Post by treasurevalleybeav on May 20, 2024 8:20:48 GMT -8
We just need to win the dang tourney and give ourselves the absolute best shot to get a national seed. Also, the real "champions" of the last year of our conference is who wins the tourney
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Post by gnawitall on May 20, 2024 8:30:45 GMT -8
We just need to win the dang tourney and give ourselves the absolute best shot to get a national seed. Also, the real "champions" of the last year of our conference is who wins the tourney then o was the real champ last year 🤢 |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on May 20, 2024 8:31:23 GMT -8
We just need to win the dang tourney and give ourselves the absolute best shot to get a national seed. Also, the real "champions" of the last year of our conference is who wins the tourney then o were the real champs last year 🤢 We'll just ignore that part lol |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on May 20, 2024 8:45:36 GMT -8
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Post by ftd on May 20, 2024 8:45:45 GMT -8
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on May 20, 2024 9:15:52 GMT -8
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Post by osubeaver2018 on May 20, 2024 10:03:48 GMT -8
Oklahoma at 34-18 doesn't make any sense to me as a national seed. The big 12 is similarly down like the PAC-12 is this year, maybe not quite to the same scale as they don't have the RPI anchors the PAC has, but you'd think a 41-13 record would more than make up for that disparity. |
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Post by tamatrix on May 20, 2024 10:58:37 GMT -8
Oklahoma at 34-18 doesn't make any sense to me as a national seed. The big 12 is similarly down like the PAC-12 is this year, maybe not quite to the same scale as they don't have the RPI anchors the PAC has, but you'd think a 41-13 record would more than make up for that disparity. See my notes above... Oklahoma won their conference and is 11-6 vs Quad 1 and 9-6 vs Quad 2.... We did not win our conference and 3-3 and 7-7, respectively vs Quad 1 and 2.... It does make sense |
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Post by rgeorge on May 20, 2024 11:48:54 GMT -8
Oklahoma at 34-18 doesn't make any sense to me as a national seed. The big 12 is similarly down like the PAC-12 is this year, maybe not quite to the same scale as they don't have the RPI anchors the PAC has, but you'd think a 41-13 record would more than make up for that disparity. Depends on how you look at it... B12 is the 3rd rated RPI conference... Pac12 6th Oklahoma won that conference by 3 games... OSU finished 2nd in a weaker conference Oklahoma played (32) Q1/2 games with 11-6/9-6 records... OSU played (20) Q1/2 games with 3-3/7-7 record Oklahoma has 41% of their wins vs Q3/4 teams (38.5% of their total games)... OSU 75.6% of their wins (63% of total) are versus Q3/4 teams I would guess they would also have to win the B12 tourney to have a chance to be that high and in doing so will play, have to beat, overall higher ranked teams than OSU would winning the Pac12. But, when it comes down to picking the 8th seed vs the 9th on down this type of crap matters. I also wonder how much of a "negative" Pac12 vibe will exist in that committee room since it will not longer be a conference?? I mean, if the eff the Pac12 what is real consequence is they no longer exist?? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 20, 2024 13:21:56 GMT -8
As long as we do pretty well in the conference tourney, I don’t see how we don’t compete for a national seed. It’s going to be close, I get that. But if you look at other competitors for a national seed, we certainly are right there with qualifications. We have a better overall record and conference record than teams like Georgia and FSU. We got screwed by not getting a third game at USC, but we can’t control that. Fortunately, the committee should be able to see that we beat Arizona and Oregon, and if we win that third game against USC, we win the conference. After getting destroyed two of three games on their home turf, Arizona won the pac 12 by default. I’m not saying we “should” get a national seed, we need to show up and win at least two games in the conference tourney, but if you look at the other teams competing for that 7/8 spot, our resume stacks up with them. Florida State and Georgia look like they need to at least win one more to be in a position to host. I could see both getting left out, if Georgia Tech and Virginia sweeping Florida State and LSU beating Georgia. Neither of them look like they have done enough yet to warrant a top eight seed. We will see. Oregon State also looks like they need Oklahoma to crash and burn in the Big 12 Tournament and somehow get ahead of Santa Barbara in RPI. Having said all of that, does anyone know if Santa Barbara can really host? They had to hold their regional back in 2015 at Lake Elsinore, because Santa Barbara was not up to D1 hosting standards. I know that they finally added lights between 2019 and 2020, but have they brought up their other deficiencies enough to host? Or is Santa Barbara probably out as a national seed? Oregon State needs to win at least get to the Pac-12 Championship Game and have the best RPI West of College Station (or maybe second but close to Santa Barbara). Also, if Oregon State does not win the Pac-12 Tournament, neither Oklahoma team can win the Big 12 Tournament, and, in Oklahoma's case probably cannot even play in the Big 12 Championship Game. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 20, 2024 13:24:15 GMT -8
On3 says that Oregon State probably needs to win the Pac-12 Tournament to be a top eight seed and will fall out, if they "stumble." |
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Post by killerbeavs on May 20, 2024 13:45:17 GMT -8
Interesting that winning the conference seems to be so important for us, but 5th in the SEC is not a problem at all.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 20, 2024 14:06:37 GMT -8
Interesting that winning the conference seems to be so important for us, but 5th in the SEC is not a problem at all. The top three in the SEC each have a better record in the SEC than Oregon State had in the Pac-12. They each played a more difficult schedule. They each finished with a better record in nonconference play. You can argue that Oregon State has a better resume than one of those three, but you would be wrong. Fourth is Texas A&M. Oregon State's current official conference record is 19-11, because they will add in the midweek loss to Oregon on the RPI sheet. That matches Texas A&M's record in SEC play. Texas A&M finished with a better record in nonconference play and a better nonconference RPI. Once again, right now, there is no argument that Oregon State should be a national seed over any one of those teams. And Clemson and North Carolina are similar. Georgia is the next team. Georgia is finished sixth in the SEC. If Georgia loses the opener to LSU, they should not be a top eight seed. Period. If they win, that probably changes the analysis. It is not only that Oregon State did not win the Pac-12. It is because the Beavs only went 19-11 against the sixth-best conference. Arizona finished 22-10. Oregon finished 20-11. Oregon State is really third, including the midweek loss to Oregon. The Beavs need to finish with the best record in the Pac-12. Oregon State needs to post a better overall record in Pac-12 play than Arizona and Oregon and cannot get caught by a team like USC. I will add that little things like Portland becoming a top-60 team is important. Utah somehow getting to be a top-60 team would also be helpful. That game against Bakersfield and the four games against North Dakota State are huge RPI anchors, which are wildly unhelpful at this point. Better to not play at all. There are going to be some people that look at the schedule and say that there are really only 36 wins there. That win against Oklahoma State may still come into play, when all is said and done. #17 is a pretty gaudy RPI win, especially an 8-1 win. |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on May 20, 2024 14:17:54 GMT -8
Interesting that winning the conference seems to be so important for us, but 5th in the SEC is not a problem at all. The top three in the SEC each have a better record in the SEC than Oregon State had in the Pac-12. They each played a more difficult schedule. They each finished with a better record in nonconference play. You can argue that Oregon State has a better resume than one of those three, but you would be wrong. Fourth is Texas A&M. Oregon State's current official conference record is 19-11, because they will add in the midweek loss to Oregon on the RPI sheet. That matches Texas A&M's record in SEC play. Texas A&M finished with a better record in nonconference play and a better nonconference RPI. Once again, right now, there is no argument that Oregon State should be a national seed over any one of those teams. And Clemson and North Carolina are similar. Georgia is the next team. Georgia is finished sixth in the SEC. If Georgia loses the opener to LSU, they should not be a top eight seed. Period. If they win, that probably changes the analysis. It is not only that Oregon State did not win the Pac-12. It is because the Beavs only went 19-11 against the sixth-best conference. Arizona finished 22-10. Oregon finished 20-11. Oregon State is really third, including the midweek loss to Oregon. The Beavs need to finish with the best record in the Pac-12. Oregon State needs to post a better overall record in Pac-12 play than Arizona and Oregon and cannot get caught by a team like USC. I will add that little things like Portland becoming a top-60 team is important. Utah somehow getting to be a top-60 team would also be helpful. That game against Bakersfield and the four games against North Dakota State are huge RPI anchors, which are wildly unhelpful at this point. Better to not play at all. There are going to be some people that look at the schedule and say that there are really only 36 wins there. That win against Oklahoma State may still come into play, when all is said and done. #17 is a pretty gaudy RPI win, especially an 8-1 win. Unfortunate too that Tech ended up being terrible this year. That was a ranked win at the time but ended up not being nearly as helpful as it could have been. |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on May 21, 2024 9:39:30 GMT -8
Interesting that winning the conference seems to be so important for us, but 5th in the SEC is not a problem at all. The top three in the SEC each have a better record in the SEC than Oregon State had in the Pac-12. They each played a more difficult schedule. They each finished with a better record in nonconference play. You can argue that Oregon State has a better resume than one of those three, but you would be wrong. Fourth is Texas A&M. Oregon State's current official conference record is 19-11, because they will add in the midweek loss to Oregon on the RPI sheet. That matches Texas A&M's record in SEC play. Texas A&M finished with a better record in nonconference play and a better nonconference RPI. Once again, right now, there is no argument that Oregon State should be a national seed over any one of those teams. And Clemson and North Carolina are similar. Georgia is the next team. Georgia is finished sixth in the SEC. If Georgia loses the opener to LSU, they should not be a top eight seed. Period. If they win, that probably changes the analysis. It is not only that Oregon State did not win the Pac-12. It is because the Beavs only went 19-11 against the sixth-best conference. Arizona finished 22-10. Oregon finished 20-11. Oregon State is really third, including the midweek loss to Oregon. The Beavs need to finish with the best record in the Pac-12. Oregon State needs to post a better overall record in Pac-12 play than Arizona and Oregon and cannot get caught by a team like USC.  I will add that little things like Portland becoming a top-60 team is important. Utah somehow getting to be a top-60 team would also be helpful. That game against Bakersfield and the four games against North Dakota State are huge RPI anchors, which are wildly unhelpful at this point. Better to not play at all. There are going to be some people that look at the schedule and say that there are really only 36 wins there. That win against Oklahoma State may still come into play, when all is said and done. #17 is a pretty gaudy RPI win, especially an 8-1 win. Georgia goes down against LSU in pretty emphatic fashion in the first round of the SEC tournament. That should hopefully be one less road block for us to get a top 8 seed. |
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