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Post by irimi on Apr 10, 2024 5:11:02 GMT -8
I'll understand if people don't want to talk about this, but I can't stop thinking about it, so here goes: Is there any reason to be optimistic about our players after the end of this season? Should we be bracing ourselves for a mass transfer portal exodus? Or should our independent status (and hopefully, a robust 2025 schedule) give us hope that we can avoid the fate that has befallen WBB, MBB, and football? What are people hearing? What are people thinking? Baseball is a different animal from football. Yes, the portal, transfer rules, and NIL will all have an effect. We’ve seen a couple guys transfer out already…not to great success…so it makes a person speculate how much of the transfer was suggested by a coach. Losing our conference won’t hurt us as much as it has in football. We are a strong team that other teams will want to schedule. The key is keeping our coaching staff and our tradition of excellence alive. If Canham leaves, all bets are off. |
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Post by 56chevy on Apr 10, 2024 5:57:19 GMT -8
As long as he gets the support, Canham will not leave.
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 10, 2024 7:27:39 GMT -8
Canham already has a hard pencil schedule for next year....and I'm sure he's shared with his players and incoming recruits. The strong 2024 class suggests that they didn't hate it...
Also Pac-12 being dogs%#t this year and likely only getting 3 teams (maybe 4?) in the tourney doesn't hurt the argument too much either...Three? Arizona, Oregon, Oregon State, and Utah are in at this moment. Definitely not five, though, unless someone makes a run or just kills it int he Pac-12 Tournament. Still a lot of baseball left, though. And just HOW dog-excrement is the PAC this season? Pretty darn much. Without OSU pulling up the conference RPI, probably the 8th "best" conference in the nation. As it stands after last night's slaughter, the PAC is 7th in Conference RPI. The PAC finished the 2021, 2022, 2023 seasons as 4th in RPI. Seventh place RPI sandwiches the PAC between the Big East (Creighton, Xavier, etc.) and the American Athletic Conference (East Carolina, South Florida, etc.). |
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Post by richard44 on Apr 10, 2024 7:49:47 GMT -8
I don’t see the same exodus happening in baseball for a variety of reasons. Our baseball program is on a totally different wavelength compared to our other sports programs. Our ability to go independent instead of being relegated to a lesser conference is a good example of that. With that being said, we are such a strong program with so much depth, that I wouldn’t be surprised to see some players transfer, even some good ones. We are just so deep that players who would start at most places are having to ride the bench a lot of the times right now. Borderline starter/bench guys could look for greener pastures. Or pitchers who aren’t getting as many innings as they would like. Especially those coming in who were highly touted out of high school. Now, depth like we have this year is the sign of a great overall program, but in today’s college sports world, it’s just hard to maintain that year after year because of the portal. I see us continuing to recruit at a high level, so I’m not worried about our program stability. But any year you have the kind of depth we have this year, your program is destined to lose some talented guys to the portal who are looking for more playing time.
All that being said, our baseball program will continue to be a perennial postseason program, and we will continue to recruit at elite levels. There is no way in hell we see the exodus that football or basketball saw (where literally almost, or every, starter left the program). It’s just not going to happen.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 10, 2024 10:13:57 GMT -8
I don’t see the same exodus happening in baseball for a variety of reasons. Our baseball program is on a totally different wavelength compared to our other sports programs. Our ability to go independent instead of being relegated to a lesser conference is a good example of that. With that being said, we are such a strong program with so much depth, that I wouldn’t be surprised to see some players transfer, even some good ones. We are just so deep that players who would start at most places are having to ride the bench a lot of the times right now. Borderline starter/bench guys could look for greener pastures. Or pitchers who aren’t getting as many innings as they would like. Especially those coming in who were highly touted out of high school. Now, depth like we have this year is the sign of a great overall program, but in today’s college sports world, it’s just hard to maintain that year after year because of the portal. I see us continuing to recruit at a high level, so I’m not worried about our program stability. But any year you have the kind of depth we have this year, your program is destined to lose some talented guys to the portal who are looking for more playing time. All that being said, our baseball program will continue to be a perennial postseason program, and we will continue to recruit at elite levels. There is no way in hell we see the exodus that football or basketball saw (where literally almost, or every, starter left the program). It’s just not going to happen. I hope ur right. The program is strong, and full of great coaches who were raised in it. Gotta keep that train movin |
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Post by richard44 on Apr 10, 2024 10:48:20 GMT -8
I don’t see the same exodus happening in baseball for a variety of reasons. Our baseball program is on a totally different wavelength compared to our other sports programs. Our ability to go independent instead of being relegated to a lesser conference is a good example of that. With that being said, we are such a strong program with so much depth, that I wouldn’t be surprised to see some players transfer, even some good ones. We are just so deep that players who would start at most places are having to ride the bench a lot of the times right now. Borderline starter/bench guys could look for greener pastures. Or pitchers who aren’t getting as many innings as they would like. Especially those coming in who were highly touted out of high school. Now, depth like we have this year is the sign of a great overall program, but in today’s college sports world, it’s just hard to maintain that year after year because of the portal. I see us continuing to recruit at a high level, so I’m not worried about our program stability. But any year you have the kind of depth we have this year, your program is destined to lose some talented guys to the portal who are looking for more playing time. All that being said, our baseball program will continue to be a perennial postseason program, and we will continue to recruit at elite levels. There is no way in hell we see the exodus that football or basketball saw (where literally almost, or every, starter left the program). It’s just not going to happen. I hope ur right. The program is strong, and full of great coaches who were raised in it. Gotta keep that train movin I do agree with irimi in an earlier post that all bets are off if Canham and staff leave. That would be catastrophic at a time like this. And if I’m wrong about all this and every player decides to jump ship after the season, I’ll eat crow and be completely depressed and cynical about college sports moving forward. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 10, 2024 11:10:00 GMT -8
As long as he gets the support, Canham will not leave. Many people said this exact same thing about Smith. I, personally, am done thinking like that. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 10, 2024 11:11:22 GMT -8
I hope ur right. The program is strong, and full of great coaches who were raised in it. Gotta keep that train movin I do agree with irimi in an earlier post that all bets are off if Canham and staff leave. That would be catastrophic at a time like this. And if I’m wrong about all this and every player decides to jump ship after the season, I’ll eat crow and be completely depressed and cynical about college sports moving forward. Agreed. I think it would take a big league skipper job to pull Canham from Corvallis. Obviously this job means so much to him. Id imagine he wants to raise his family in Corvallis. That said, in this crazy sports landscape, nothin would surprise me.....and I'd bet big college programs with deep pockets will have Canham on their short list |
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Post by chinmusic on Apr 10, 2024 11:46:13 GMT -8
One way of looking at the current state of affairs with OSU athletics - Beaver Baseball is an Island Paradise in a stormy sea, relatively unscathed and minimally affected by NIL and the Portal.
I'm not cynical enough to think that will suddenly change but the reality of college athletics at present is profoundly unstable. Look at the current situation, Football was broadsided by a coaching staff and the Transfer Portal, Basketball was traumatic and also victimized by Portal activity, Women's hoops has felt the sting of transfer loss while the shining star baseball, is on a march to Omaha.
No drama, no fear . . just a lot of baseballs flying out of the yard.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 10, 2024 12:20:00 GMT -8
As long as he gets the support, Canham will not leave. Many people said this exact same thing about Smith. I, personally, am done thinking like that. Smitty is a weird duck from a weird family of Californians. Mitchy Slick is from the Northwest. Outside of his 11- or 12-year stint in professional baseball (player/coach), he has lived in the Northwest his entire life. His mom is buried in Benton City, and his brother's ashes were scattered in Arlington, Washington. Mitchy Slick's great uncle, Charles D.W. Canham also led the 116th ashore at Omaha on D-Day and refused medical treatment until his entire regiment got off of the beach, despite being shot through the wrist. Charles Canham was later promoted to Brigadier General, Assistant Division Commander of the 8th Infantry Division. At the Battle for Brest, he provided the 8th Infantry with the Division's motto. When asked by a three-star German general what one-star General Canham's credentials were, General Canham pointed to the dirty and tired American soldiers that came with to witness the surrender, and said "These are my credentials. By the end of the war General Canham won every award for valor, except the Medal of Honor from the United States. He also was awarded the Distinguished Service Order by General Bernard L. Montgomery and several awards for valor from France. He ultimately rose to a two-star Major General and commanded XI Corps. It is extremely easy to be cynical and jaded. But Mitchy Slick has never shown himself to be anything other than extremely loyal, like his great uncle. I will continue to be optimistic and positive about pretty much everything Beaver-related. |
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Post by tamatrix on Apr 10, 2024 15:36:50 GMT -8
Canham already has a hard pencil schedule for next year....and I'm sure he's shared with his players and incoming recruits. The strong 2024 class suggests that they didn't hate it...
Also Pac-12 being dogs%#t this year and likely only getting 3 teams (maybe 4?) in the tourney doesn't hurt the argument too much either...Three? Arizona, Oregon, Oregon State, and Utah are in at this moment. Definitely not five, though, unless someone makes a run or just kills it int he Pac-12 Tournament. Still a lot of baseball left, though. Maybe.... hole RPI of 71 currently is ROUGH Utah is at 52 and right on the edge. Never want to bank on it but I ran WarrenNolan's predictive standings and ended with RPIs of Beavs 11, Zona, 24, USC 43 and hole 63 with Utah falling to 113....that probably gets 3 in, maybe 4 - absent an upset in the Pac-12 tourney, but that doesn't count in what I'm saying clearly |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 10, 2024 16:11:53 GMT -8
Three? Arizona, Oregon, Oregon State, and Utah are in at this moment. Definitely not five, though, unless someone makes a run or just kills it int he Pac-12 Tournament. Still a lot of baseball left, though. Maybe.... hole RPI of 71 currently is ROUGH Utah is at 52 and right on the edge. Never want to bank on it but I ran WarrenNolan's predictive standings and ended with RPIs of Beavs 11, Zona, 24, USC 43 and hole 63 with Utah falling to 113....that probably gets 3 in, maybe 4 - absent an upset in the Pac-12 tourney, but that doesn't count in what I'm saying clearly My prediction was before Oregon decided to get crushed by Sac State. A 14-8 (or so) record for the Ducks still likely gets them in. Arizona, Arizona State, Oregon, Oregon State, USC, and Utah are all in great shape. Each of them probably puts themselves into a position for an at large berth by winning 60+% of their games from here until the Pac-12 Tournament. I am not sure that all six can pull that off. Each of the six plays between 2-4 of the others. |
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Post by beaverinsider211 on Apr 10, 2024 17:24:10 GMT -8
I don’t see a scenario where Canham leaves unless he doesn’t get the backing he needs from the administration. The school would have a mutiny on their hands if that happened.
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Post by hometownbeaver on Apr 11, 2024 5:18:52 GMT -8
I don’t see a scenario where Canham leaves unless he doesn’t get the backing he needs from the administration. The school would have a mutiny on their hands if that happened. All these things were said about smith and said about Damien Martinez. OSU fans eyes are being opened one dagger in the back at a time. At this point I expect all of sports programs to turn into development teams for schools that buy our athletes. All sports will be relegated to lower leagues and any star athletes uncovered will leave to go-to a payday. There is 0 chance anyone of our talents coaches or athletes stay at this point. I expect canham to head back to the mariners or head coach at a school that will pay him more. Loyalty is only one layer of paint deep anymore. Every single sports team has seen major attrition since the end of this year's season why would baseball be different?! Oh because it's still in season and it hurts to think it won't be ? Hold onto that when the transfers start you can act shocked. I'd also note baseball is the ultimate you'll play for anybody you have to sport. Single A - pros how many uniforms would you normally wear? So the likely hood the super talented beavers wouldn't all be of the mindset of I'll play with anyone anywhere to get mine. How did the we love each other so much thing work out for WBB? |
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Post by irimi on Apr 11, 2024 5:39:05 GMT -8
I don’t see a scenario where Canham leaves unless he doesn’t get the backing he needs from the administration. The school would have a mutiny on their hands if that happened. All these things were said about smith and said about Damien Martinez. OSU fans eyes are being opened one dagger in the back at a time. At this point I expect all of sports programs to turn into development teams for schools that buy our athletes. All sports will be relegated to lower leagues and any star athletes uncovered will leave to go-to a payday. There is 0 chance anyone of our talents coaches or athletes stay at this point. I expect canham to head back to the mariners or head coach at a school that will pay him more. Loyalty is only one layer of paint deep anymore. Every single sports team has seen major attrition since the end of this year's season why would baseball be different?! Oh because it's still in season and it hurts to think it won't be ? Hold onto that when the transfers start you can act shocked. I'd also note baseball is the ultimate you'll play for anybody you have to sport. Single A - pros how many uniforms wouldn't you normally wear? So the likely hood the super talented beavers wouldn't all be of the mindset of I'll play with anyone anywhere to get mine. I think it is wise to remember Smith and the others when we talk about Beaver baseball. None of us has the inside sources to know what Canham and the players are thinking, so it’s all speculation tainted with hopes and desires. Assuming the coaching staff remains, then the exodus we will see will come from players who aren’t playing or aren’t making the progress they need to secure the starting position. So I might worry about kids like Trosky or Talt, who are good enough to start on other teams. We’ve seen that kind of movement before. After reading Willy’s post, I’m rooting like hell for the Mariners to win, so that they don’t need a new coach. I don’t think we would lose Canham to another university. Corvallis is a comfortable place and the Beavers are a top team year in and year out. But if Canham leaves, I think the floodgates would open, and I have no idea who would be the next man up. One thing you can count on though is that we will be replacing Canham one day. Hopefully by then Meckler will be able to fill the position. Lol |
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