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Post by irimi on Apr 8, 2024 15:12:34 GMT -8
Wilky, You've an interesting subject going, if you have the time throw a couple of your lineups out there.(I'd like to take a look) Right now I'm not onboard with what you're saying, but you did eventually get me to support a Pac12 baseball tournament after years of opposition.(still do.......it's the last year😀) I do not have a full lineup though through, and I am not 100% tied to anything. Having said that, setting up the first four hitters correctly is the most important part of the lineup. After that, the hardest thing to do is to try and make sure that someone links up with the top of the order correctly. And, frankly, batting Bazzana first makes the bottom of the order more problematic than batting Bazzana second. The top of the order looks wrong to me. Bazzana is a two, not a one (too much power), and Turley is a four, not a two. The one is tough, because McDowell should be the one, and he is hurt. The three best choices are Guerra, Krieg, and Peterson. Weber is putting up one-type numbers, but I would personally never bat a catcher first in a home game, because of the equipment. Also, Weber is painfully slow. And as much as I like to follow the numbers in all of this, I personally like to bury the truly slow players in the very middle (5-6-7) of the lineup, where they cause the fewest lineup-related baserunning issues. And Guerra is hitting/running to pull off the one correctly, because he is doubling too often, which means that Bazzana would be getting worse pitches to hit and not better, like we are shooting for. Krieg and Peterson are probably the best choices for table setters with arguments to be made for both. Both battle and tend to see a lot of pitches. Start with guys who tend to do an excellent job at stressing pitchers. If you fail to get the leadoff hitter, Bazzana will be seeing even better pitches. If you succeed at getting the leadoff hitter, you are immediately put into an even more stressful situation. I personally like Macias as a three, because he can bunt in case the leadoff hitter scores or in case you have a first and second situation. And if no one is on, I have enough faith in Macias to battle to try and get Turley up with a runner on. Turley cleans up. Protect Turley with the best of Guerra/Hainline/Krieg/Peterson/Weber down until at most one of those five are left. If you are really going to hit Bazzana 1-2, you really have to move up Weber to avoid Bazzana and Turley hitting while Weber is on base. Painfully slow. Moving Bazzana and Turley down helps to solve that problem. The last two spots depend on who you selected to leadoff. You can tweak that some, but that is the general way that I see it. 26-4 is a great counterpoint. I just tend to think that there is no problem trying to get the lineup closer to perfection rather than just trusting that the current lineup will be able to produce nine runs a game at will. Really interesting post. I like Krieg because he's so big and crowds the plate with that body. He isn't afraid to take the hit. But I still have to say that I like speed at the 1 spot. I want that runner to score, come hell or high water. Get on base and make tracks. I don't think Krieg can make it to 3b from 1b on a routine base hit to right field. Or score when Bazzana puts in against the wall between center and right. |
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Post by chinmusic on Apr 8, 2024 22:13:43 GMT -8
Every MLB Team has an analytics department that analyze every quantifiable metric in the baseball operation. Colleges likewise, with OSU's Das Beavers Group. Working with 53 years of data on every MLB plate appearance, an infinite amount of number crunching has taken place. Batting orders are one area that has been studied extensively. One conclusion evident is the amount of randomness of batting orders.
One of the approaches to establishing your batting order is "stack rating" your order. Some of the best offensive computer modeling results from stacking your batting order. For example you might rank your hitters by BA, OBP or OPS. If we return to our Surprise/ Arlington lineup. our order might look like this;
ON BASE % + SLUGGING % (OPS):
Bazzana
McDowell
Kasper
Hainline
Turley
Caraway
Guerra
Macias
Smith
ON BASE PERCENTAGE:
Bazzana
McDowell
Kasper
Caraway
Turley
Guerra
Hainline
Smith
Macias
BATTING AVERAGE:
Bazzana
McDowell
Caraway
Kasper
Guerra
Hainline
Turley
Macias
Smith
*** If you substitute Krieg for one of the starters, he would hit in the 3-hole on the OPS order and the OBP order, and in the 8-hole on the BA order.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 8, 2024 22:24:09 GMT -8
Every MLB Team has an analytics department that analyze every quantifiable metric in the baseball operation. Colleges likewise, with OSU's Das Beavers Group. Working with 53 years of data on every MLB plate appearance, an infinite amount of number crunching has taken place. Batting orders are one area that has been studied extensively. One conclusion evident is the amount of randomness of batting orders. One of the approaches to establishing your batting order is "stack rating" your order. Some of the best offensive computer modeling results from stacking your batting order. For example you might rank your hitters by BA, OBP or OPS. If we return to our Surprise/ Arlington lineup. our order might look like this; ON BASE % + SLUGGING % (OPS): Bazzana McDowell Kasper Hainline Turley Caraway Guerra Macias Smith ON BASE PERCENTAGE: Bazzana McDowell Kasper Caraway Turley Guerra Hainline Smith Macias BATTING AVERAGE: Bazzana McDowell Caraway Kasper Guerra Hainline Turley Macias Smith *** If you substitute Krieg for one of the starters, he would hit in the 3-hole on the OPS order and the OBP order, and in the 8-hole on the BA order. No McDowell, Kasper, or Caraway at the moment. It really cramps Oregon State's options at the moment. |
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Post by irimi on Apr 9, 2024 5:10:09 GMT -8
Every MLB Team has an analytics department that analyze every quantifiable metric in the baseball operation. Colleges likewise, with OSU's Das Beavers Group. Working with 53 years of data on every MLB plate appearance, an infinite amount of number crunching has taken place. Batting orders are one area that has been studied extensively. One conclusion evident is the amount of randomness of batting orders. One of the approaches to establishing your batting order is "stack rating" your order. Some of the best offensive computer modeling results from stacking your batting order. For example you might rank your hitters by BA, OBP or OPS. If we return to our Surprise/ Arlington lineup. our order might look like this; ON BASE % + SLUGGING % (OPS): Bazzana McDowell Kasper Hainline Turley Caraway Guerra Macias Smith ON BASE PERCENTAGE: Bazzana McDowell Kasper Caraway Turley Guerra Hainline Smith Macias BATTING AVERAGE: Bazzana McDowell Caraway Kasper Guerra Hainline Turley Macias Smith *** If you substitute Krieg for one of the starters, he would hit in the 3-hole on the OPS order and the OBP order, and in the 8-hole on the BA order. So what gives with batting Turley second? None of your lists would say that’s a good idea. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 9, 2024 5:22:55 GMT -8
Every MLB Team has an analytics department that analyze every quantifiable metric in the baseball operation. Colleges likewise, with OSU's Das Beavers Group. Working with 53 years of data on every MLB plate appearance, an infinite amount of number crunching has taken place. Batting orders are one area that has been studied extensively. One conclusion evident is the amount of randomness of batting orders. One of the approaches to establishing your batting order is "stack rating" your order. Some of the best offensive computer modeling results from stacking your batting order. For example you might rank your hitters by BA, OBP or OPS. If we return to our Surprise/ Arlington lineup. our order might look like this; ON BASE % + SLUGGING % (OPS): Bazzana McDowell Kasper Hainline Turley Caraway Guerra Macias Smith ON BASE PERCENTAGE: Bazzana McDowell Kasper Caraway Turley Guerra Hainline Smith Macias BATTING AVERAGE: Bazzana McDowell Caraway Kasper Guerra Hainline Turley Macias Smith *** If you substitute Krieg for one of the starters, he would hit in the 3-hole on the OPS order and the OBP order, and in the 8-hole on the BA order. So what gives with batting Turley second? None of your lists would say that’s a good idea. He has the highest OBP of available players besides Baz |
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Post by irimi on Apr 9, 2024 5:25:42 GMT -8
So what gives with batting Turley second? None of your lists would say that’s a good idea. He has the highest OBP of available players besides Baz Damn. I was hoping it wasn’t a numbers thing. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 9, 2024 5:27:13 GMT -8
He has the highest OBP of available players besides Baz Damn. I was hoping it wasn’t a numbers thing. and he's cute? |
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Post by irimi on Apr 9, 2024 6:48:50 GMT -8
Damn. I was hoping it wasn’t a numbers thing. and he's cute? I love baseball. I am not fond of math. And I don't trust the "truth" that numbers are supposed to show. Analytics. bah humbug. lol |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 9, 2024 8:57:04 GMT -8
I love baseball. I am not fond of math. And I don't trust the "truth" that numbers are supposed to show. Analytics. bah humbug. lol Cuteness level is generally related to vertical symmetry. You can't escape Irimi. |
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Post by Bodhisattva on Apr 9, 2024 12:05:41 GMT -8
There is also the option to alternate between lefties and righties to prevent opponents to bring in a situational pitcher to only pitch to the righties or lefties.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 9, 2024 12:16:59 GMT -8
So what gives with batting Turley second? None of your lists would say that’s a good idea. He has the highest OBP of available players besides Baz No, he doesn't. Weber has the second-highest OBP in Pac-12 play (unless you include Easton Talt). Krieg has the second-highest OBP overall (McDowell will again, once he is healthy). |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 9, 2024 14:25:10 GMT -8
He has the highest OBP of available players besides Baz No, he doesn't. Weber has the second-highest OBP in Pac-12 play (unless you include Easton Talt). Krieg has the second-highest OBP overall (McDowell will again, once he is healthy). Was just going off the list above. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 9, 2024 14:39:48 GMT -8
He has the highest OBP of available players besides Baz No, he doesn't. Weber has the second-highest OBP in Pac-12 play (unless you include Easton Talt).
Krieg has the second-highest OBP overall (McDowell will again, once he is healthy). But, Krieg is only 7th in OBP in Pac12 play. |
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Post by zeroposter on Apr 9, 2024 14:49:46 GMT -8
No, he doesn't. Weber has the second-highest OBP in Pac-12 play (unless you include Easton Talt).
Krieg has the second-highest OBP overall (McDowell will again, once he is healthy). But, Krieg is only 7th in OBP in Pac12 play.  And the Weber sample size is small. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 9, 2024 14:52:10 GMT -8
Judge Smails and zeroposterIn any instance, your points have absolutely zero to do with Turley not having the second-best OBP, which was my point. You can pick apart the data to your hearts' content, though.
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