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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 21, 2024 8:58:07 GMT -8
This is a lift from the Niagara U. sports board - it's about men's basketball, but I found it somewhat relevant: "I had a beer at the airport in Seoul with a college professor from Ohio University. Sports came up. He said that teaching athletes at the schools now is impossible. Most do not show up. Most do not care. He said the amount of money flowing from businesses to these athletes is wild. There are several athletes on campus who make more than he does. I asked him if it was private money or businesses who were funding the NIL stuff. He said at OU mostly local businesses. Bars, fast food places. He said even local hair and nail salons are paying women athletes to promote things." There's some talk on this board, wondering if the eight (or some of them) are even still in Corvallis. Umm, don't they still have school? Or do they just bag it at this point, as in, who cares? According to the song below, money changes everything. Hard as I (didn't) look, I couldn't find a song about a P5 school being left behind in the dust. Low mid-majors like Niagara get killed by the portal, every time they find a sleeper and develop a good player, he bails. Another MAAC team lost its women's coach to a MAC team and her best five players followed her. That same MMAC team lost almost every single men's player to the portal when they fired the head coach for eight years of underperforming. Check out this graphic from the MVC; players with the gray line through their names completed their eligibility; those with the yellow lines entered the portal. Mid-majors don't have a chance.
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Post by gnawitall on Apr 21, 2024 10:30:49 GMT -8
And mid majors made the tourney fun
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Post by 93beav on Apr 21, 2024 11:11:10 GMT -8
This is a lift from the Niagara U. sports board - it's about men's basketball, but I found it somewhat relevant: "I had a beer at the airport in Seoul with a college professor from Ohio University. Sports came up. He said that teaching athletes at the schools now is impossible. Most do not show up. Most do not care. He said the amount of money flowing from businesses to these athletes is wild. There are several athletes on campus who make more than he does. I asked him if it was private money or businesses who were funding the NIL stuff. He said at OU mostly local businesses. Bars, fast food places. He said even local hair and nail salons are paying women athletes to promote things." There's some talk on this board, wondering if the eight (or some of them) are even still in Corvallis. Umm, don't they still have school? Or do they just bag it at this point, as in, who cares? According to the song below, money changes everything. Hard as I (didn't) look, I couldn't find a song about a P5 school being left behind in the dust. Low mid-majors like Niagara get killed by the portal, every time they find a sleeper and develop a good player, he bails. Another MAAC team lost its women's coach to a MAC team and her best five players followed her. That same MMAC team lost almost every single men's player to the portal when they fired the head coach for eight years of underperforming. Check out this graphic from the MVC; players with the gray line through their names completed their eligibility; those with the yellow lines entered the portal. Mid-majors don't have a chance. View AttachmentThat is an amazing and sad graphic. One out of the top twenty players remained for the next year. The question is, does fan support or attendance at those institutions change? It may not seem like much to lose support at a small school, but then those people (and maybe their kids) stop watching those sports and won't even bother to turn on the big games. Still probably five years from that.
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Post by concordoldnorth on Apr 21, 2024 11:25:01 GMT -8
Agreed, it is amazing. Ultimately sports fans pay the bills (Maybe). NIL, Transfer Portal, and player betrayal is making it really hard to be a fan anymore. I know we will attend the end of season WBB Banquet, with very low expectations.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Apr 21, 2024 11:30:40 GMT -8
We are in the early stages of the professionalization of college sports. It seems we are headed towards the athletes becoming more and more only nominally connected to the university as they come and go as they please. I wonder since they now seem to be primarily paid entertainers if someday enrollment will be optional?
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Post by amber on Apr 21, 2024 11:47:37 GMT -8
are they even in Corvallis? At least Timea and Blacklock are. From her social media I think Lily is somewhere in Floria. And everybody knows where Talia is 😀
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Post by finleybandbeav on Apr 21, 2024 12:10:18 GMT -8
We are in the early stages of the professionalization of college sports. It seems we are headed towards the athletes becoming more and more only nominally connected to the university as they come and go as they please. I wonder since they now seem to be primarily paid entertainers if someday enrollment will be optional? I think that is basically what that prof was saying in the quote I included a few hours ago:
"Teaching athletes at the schools now is impossible. Most do not show up. Most do not care."
Well, that's his particular situation at Ohio U. and it's kind of an extreme statement, but make no mistake, the detachment of college athletes from particular schools is well underway. Athletes - many of them, anyway - will forever now be looking for the best deals they can find - period. And if they don't feel really invested in a school they're attending, they're probably not interested in putting in the time and effort needed to do well in the classroom.
Like (I assume) most all of you, I still feel a strong attachment to OSU - in my case, more than 40 years since attending. Where and to what will these basketball nomads attach themselves? I am betting more than a few of them will look back in a few years and realize they had made a mistake - or maybe several mistakes.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 21, 2024 15:42:52 GMT -8
are they even in Corvallis? At least Timea and Blacklock are. From her social media I think Lily is somewhere in Floria. And everybody knows where Talia is 😀 Yeah... she makes sure of that!
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Post by bmoc on Apr 21, 2024 15:54:58 GMT -8
Email Olivia Murphy to RSVP for the banquet:
olivia.murphy@oregonstate.edu
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Post by ftd on Apr 21, 2024 16:58:49 GMT -8
Just don't invite the portal women to the banquet. They made their choices, after much careful consideration, to remove themselves from the program. It would be incredibly awkward for the coaching staff if they showed up. To paraphrase Bo Schembechler: "Oregon State women will attend the Oregon State banquet."
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Post by amber on Apr 21, 2024 20:07:31 GMT -8
At least Timea and Blacklock are. From her social media I think Lily is somewhere in Floria. And everybody knows where Talia is 😀 Yeah... she makes sure of that! 😀😀
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Post by concordoldnorth on Apr 21, 2024 20:28:34 GMT -8
I just assumed the "Elite 8" Eight players who left weren't here, or no enrolled this term. Why? Because their scholarships stops when they enter the portal, or it's the schools option.
"Early stages of professionalization of college sports?" by Fridaynightlights. Agreed, College is basically the minor leagues for NFL Football and NBA.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 21, 2024 20:59:28 GMT -8
I just assumed the "Elite 8" Eight players who left weren't here, or no enrolled this term. Why? Because their scholarships stops when they enter the portal, or it's the schools option. "Early stages of professionalization of college sports?" by Fridaynightlights. Agreed, College is basically the minor leagues for NFL Football and NBA. Scholarships don't "stop" if they entered the portal after the Spring term was paid for. And, in this case every single player at OSU that entered the portal and was enrolled for Spring would have had it paid.
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Post by ag87 on Apr 21, 2024 21:20:06 GMT -8
are they even in Corvallis? At least Timea and Blacklock are. From her social media I think Lily is somewhere in Floria. And everybody knows where Talia is 😀 If Blacklock is only leaving for playing time . . . . things are different.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 21, 2024 21:38:27 GMT -8
At least Timea and Blacklock are. From her social media I think Lily is somewhere in Floria. And everybody knows where Talia is 😀 If Blacklock is only leaving for playing time . . . . things are different. The strange issue with leaving for playing time is that you should earn it. So, is leaving because... - the talent at OSU is too good and the player can't earn time? - the player thinks they earned the time, but are being mistreated? - related to the first... the player realized they are not quite as good as they thought? If the first or third, then the defections and WCC would be a positive to stay put. If the second, then they should indeed find a place they feel comfortable. But, the "evil" you know may be better?? But, in many cases it is not playing time, but it was a great reason John Q Public likes to assume. Now replaced with NIL $. But, for many that makes zero sense also. If you weren't playing at your old school how much NIL are you really being offered? So, generally I see it as a combo of things that basically can be summed up as most players think they'll find greener grass. How many really do?
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